Canadian's healthcare system is "imploding"

[dammitgibs]

http://www.google.com/hostedne...Y0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

It's like something out of that twilighty show about that zone.

Kinda eye-opening to see that the rest of the world isn't so perfect either, maybe we should improve upon the system we have before we're so eager to adopt another countries system. I would hate to see us have to overhaul the health care system another 10 years down the road when we find that the last one couldn't sustain itself.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm unaware of a single American politician who is advocating a Canadian style system where private insurance is outlawed. Our system is far further along on the whole 'imploding' thing than Canada is, and were Canada to increase the percentage of GDP that it spends on health care by 60% or so in order to equal the US's catastrophic spending, I wonder how they would stack up then.

 

[dammitgibs]

There's this guy, Obama, dunno if you've heard of him he's kind of a big deal, and he's said on a couple occasions he's in favor of a single-payer system. And there are several republicans and democrats who have voted previously for a single-payer system.

And yes there are many who do not have access to the health care system in the states which I find troubling, but I don't see how you could describe it as "imploding" unless you are referring to medicare which will be bankrupt soon if we don't do something about it. The private sector still makes a profit, it can sustain itself and continue to be the epicenter for development of new drugs and new advances in technology.

Just sayin'

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: dammitgibs
There's this guy, Obama, dunno if you've heard of him he's kind of a big deal, and he's said on a couple occasions he's in favor of a single-payer system. And there are several republicans and democrats who have voted previously for a single-payer system.

Single payer was off the table before the discussion even started. Stop trying to create a boogey man.

 

[ZeGermans]

Clearly every other industrialized nation is wrong because we're amurica

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: dammitgibs
There's this guy, Obama, dunno if you've heard of him he's kind of a big deal, and he's said on a couple occasions he's in favor of a single-payer system. And there are several republicans and democrats who have voted previously for a single-payer system.

Single payer was off the table before the discussion even started. Stop trying to create a boogey man.

Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'm unaware of a single American politician who is advocating a Canadian style system where private insurance is outlawed. Our system is far further along on the whole 'imploding' thing than Canada is, and were Canada to increase the percentage of GDP that it spends on health care by 60% or so in order to equal the US's catastrophic spending, I wonder how they would stack up then.

Of course not because they know they can't sell that. There are multiple clips of all the principle Democrats currently pushing this plan stating that their goal is to get the US to single payer and they are fully aware it is possible to do this without ever explicitly outlawing private insurance.

 

[StageLeft]

BTW, people, this is the president of the Canadian Medical Association, not just a quack who doesn't know the difference between a stitch and suture (and neither do I, maybe there isn't one, ha!).

 

[IronWing]

The US will eventually move to a single payer system. The only question is how much money and how many lives we're willing to throw down the rat hole that is the current system on our way there.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: ironwing
The US will eventually move to a single payer system. The only question is how much money and how many lives we're willing to throw down the rat hole that is the current system on our way there.

And how many once the US gets there, of course.

 

[SickBeast]

The doctors here in Canada are overworked and underpaid, that's why they're complaining and saying that the system is broken. We need more doctors here. Not too many people in their right mind here even want to become a doctor any more; it's a lot of education for a job that most doctors don't seem to enjoy doing.

The lack of doctors here has very little to do with the medical system itself. It stems from the fact that we do not educate enough doctors. We only have so many medical school spaces, and some of the graduates leave for the US.

 

[yllus]

They're right, we're losing GPs are a slow but steady rate because of the public-only system we have up here. Defending the current system is the most ridiculous thing this country engages in.

That said, you're wrong. You're not adopting our system - why would you? As I've said over and over, only two nations in the world have a public-only system: Canada and Cuba. We will eventually (~10 years) allow private care and will become a better system for it. Mind you, that doesn't mean we will move away from a single-payer system - it just means that the private clinics will rise and fall based on how efficient and competitive their services are. Best of both worlds.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

Another boogey man which has been refuted many times

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: dammitgibs
There's this guy, Obama, dunno if you've heard of him he's kind of a big deal, and he's said on a couple occasions he's in favor of a single-payer system. And there are several republicans and democrats who have voted previously for a single-payer system.

And yes there are many who do not have access to the health care system in the states which I find troubling, but I don't see how you could describe it as "imploding" unless you are referring to medicare which will be bankrupt soon if we don't do something about it. The private sector still makes a profit, it can sustain itself and continue to be the epicenter for development of new drugs and new advances in technology.

Just sayin'

Taking some random private interest saying that the system is imploding as professional opinion of what is actually happening is retarded, Just sayin'

That's like listening to Enron CEO's assuring everything is just fine and dandy, Just sayin'

For having such high quality health care at less than 50% costs per head, all while being more accessible and better coverage for every person, including those expensive 10% of critical cases that end up being half of the country's health care costs, no matter their income or employment status or previous history of illnesses that would leave their families to bankrupting themselves in the US, seems to be working just fine and rather effectively. Not to mention that our country isnt $10 trillion in debt. Just sayin'

Considering facts or understanding how shit works would be stupid. Thinking that making a 10,000% profit margin on overprescribed ADD pills, pharmaceutical companies making huge incentives for doctors to give out pills like candy, and claiming schooling and roads is a right while access to health care would destroy a country is most definitely the way to go.

Just sayin'

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

Another boogey man which has been refuted many times

Saying it has been debunked doesn't make it so.

 

[SP33Demon]

Canada is stupid for not having at least some semblance of private. But on the flipside, it's a shame our public option is now off the table.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
Taking some random private interest saying that the system is imploding as professional opinion of what is actually happening is retarded, Just sayin'

SASKATOON ? The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

That would be CMA president-elect Dr. Anne Doig.

At next week?s annual meeting in Montreal, the Canadian Medical Association will welcome a new president and for the second year in a row he will be a doctor who sees many of his patients outside the public system, leading critics to accuse the organization of pushing for ?two-tier medicine.?

But the new president, Dr. Robert Ouellet, the co-owner of five private radiology clinics in the Montreal area, is undeterred: he says his mandate is nothing less than to come up with a plan by the end of the year to totally remodel the Canadian healthcare system.

That would be current CMA president Dr. Robert Ouellet.

Private medicine pioneer Dr. Brian Day pulled off a stunning victory Tuesday when B.C. doctors elected him their nominee as 2007/08 president-elect of the 60,000-strong Canadian Medical Association, a powerful lobby organization with which Day has not been involved.

"People voted for change. The status quo is no longer acceptable. I thought I had a good chance because doctors realize it is time for a change in the way health care is delivered and accessed."

That would be the last CMA president, private medicine pioneer Dr. Brian Day.

As you can see, this isn't the idle talk of a single dissatisfied party. The last three duly elected presidents of the Canadian Medical Association have been proponents of reform to add some amount of private care to the system. It is going to happen.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Clearly every other industrialized nation is wrong because we're amurica

America! Fuck yeah!

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

Another boogey man which has been refuted many times

Saying it has been debunked doesn't make it so.

Gee. Keep beating that dead horse that was debunked by the CBO on July 26.

Feel free to link to that "big reduction in private" insurance or stop lying, Link Boy

 

[WhipperSnapper]

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[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

Another boogey man which has been refuted many times

Saying it has been debunked doesn't make it so.

OH NO! Companies that have been raking in profit with 1000% increase in profits over 5 years while denying more and covering less will be hurt in favor of helping more americans!?!?!? SAY IT AINT SO!!!!

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

Another boogey man which has been refuted many times

Saying it has been debunked doesn't make it so.

Gee. Keep beating that dead horse that was debunked by the CBO on July 26.

Feel free to link to that "big reduction in private" insurance or stop lying, Link Boy

Link Boy, is that a term of endearment? 18 page wall of text fail. I'm not reading it, but thanks for playing. Surely your argument doesn't need 18 pages to be submitted, though 18 pages to obfuscate I can definitely understand. If you torture statistics enough they'll tell you anything.

 

[StageLeft]

I very quickly scanned the wall. It has some good points. I guess it's somewhat moot now anyway If we go with CBO on that, we go with them on the numbers and they've said the plan as it was outlined would be extremely expensive and increase the deficit, so it's good to see it canned.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

Another boogey man which has been refuted many times

Saying it has been debunked doesn't make it so.

Gee. Keep beating that dead horse that was debunked by the CBO on July 26.

Feel free to link to that "big reduction in private" insurance or stop lying, Link Boy

Link Boy, is that a term of endearment? 18 page wall of text fail. I'm not reading it, but thanks for playing. Surely your argument doesn't need 18 pages to be submitted, though 18 pages to obfuscate I can definitely understand. If you torture statistics enough they'll tell you anything.

This is classic.

Link Boy sez "" We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private "" insurance without backing up his statement.

When called on his BS, Link Boy subsequently demands a link, receives it, refuses to read it or back up his own statement, and then accuses the nonpartisan CBO of obfuscation.

:thumbsup: We are with you, Link Boy !

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[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Really, because I think people including Obama have been for it in the past. We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private, so 6 of one half dozen of the other. Thankfully the opinion has seemingly taken this off the table, at least for now.

Another boogey man which has been refuted many times

Saying it has been debunked doesn't make it so.

Gee. Keep beating that dead horse that was debunked by the CBO on July 26.

Feel free to link to that "big reduction in private" insurance or stop lying, Link Boy

Link Boy, is that a term of endearment? 18 page wall of text fail. I'm not reading it, but thanks for playing. Surely your argument doesn't need 18 pages to be submitted, though 18 pages to obfuscate I can definitely understand. If you torture statistics enough they'll tell you anything.

This is classic.

Link Boy sez "" We already know that his public option would see a big reduction in private "" insurance without backing up his statement.

When called on his BS, Link Boy subsequently demands a link, receives it, refuses to read it or back up his own statement, and then accuses the nonpartisan CBO of obfuscation.

:thumbsup: We are with you, Link Boy !

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Link Boy?