Canadians: Who are you voting for and why?

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

That's true.

US companies sure do outsource a lot of work to Canada. I used to work for a company like that.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

That's why our GDP per capita is so much higher than Canada's right? About a 1/3 higher. And your Unemployment rate is about 7.2% and ours is 5.6%. Ok!

 

[Dexion]

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Agreed. That'sbecause we are neighbours and trade is a natural thing(not saying it's a good thing). It creates competition in the economy and business between both countries, lowering profit levels and lower salary for both. For example, if we had no trade relations with the US, Canada would have businesses within our own country or internationally to fill that gap. Albeit a higher price, but at least keeping business and money within our country.

 

[Dexion]

That's why our GDP per capita is so much higher than Canada's right? About a 1/3 higher. And your Unemployment rate is about 7.2% and ours is 5.6%. Ok!

Poplulation. 5.6% of 300,000 million is much greater than 7.2% of 27 million.

edit: Canadian Popluation is closer to 33 million. Not that it's relevant to the argument, but for stat purposes.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Dexion

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Agreed. That'sbecause we are neighbours and trade is a natural thing(not saying it's a good thing). It creates competition in the economy and business between both countries, lowering profit levels and lower salary for both. For example, if we had no trade relations with the US, Canada would have businesses within our own country or internationally to fill that gap. Albeit a higher price, but at least keeping business and money within our country.

I'm not sure if Canada would be able to replace US-related trade with itself or other countries. The amount that Canadian trade is US-dependent is staggering.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I'm voting for Bush.

The real Canadian leader, right?

Bush is the overlord of the world.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Dexion

That's why our GDP per capita is so much higher than Canada's right? About a 1/3 higher. And your Unemployment rate is about 7.2% and ours is 5.6%. Ok!

Poplulation. 5.6% of 300,000 million is much greater than 7.2% of 27 million.

Right... :roll: That's why economists use population instead of per-capita rate. BUZZZZZZ you're wrong. The rate is what matters.

 

[Dexion]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Agreed. That'sbecause we are neighbours and trade is a natural thing(not saying it's a good thing). It creates competition in the economy and business between both countries, lowering profit levels and lower salary for both. For example, if we had no trade relations with the US, Canada would have businesses within our own country or internationally to fill that gap. Albeit a higher price, but at least keeping business and money within our country.

I'm not sure if Canada would be able to replace US-related trade with itself or other countries. The amount that Canadian trade is US-dependent is staggering.

That's because it could never happen. But I do believe thatUS is also dependent on the Canadian Economy and resources. Look at all the lumber we are trading every year. As well, if you look at the business these few years, alot more American companies are moving north of the border to create business rather than expanding in the US.

 

[silverpig]

Not 100% sure yet. If I have to vote in my parents' riding (where I'm still registered), I'll probably vote Conservative as I really like the MP from there. If I vote in the riding I live in now, probably Liberal.

I used to be all for the Alliance/Reform/Conservative side, but they're going a bit too far right for my liking now. Liberals are doing alright, and while they aren't perfect, they do run a good budget.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Agreed. That'sbecause we are neighbours and trade is a natural thing(not saying it's a good thing). It creates competition in the economy and business between both countries, lowering profit levels and lower salary for both. For example, if we had no trade relations with the US, Canada would have businesses within our own country or internationally to fill that gap. Albeit a higher price, but at least keeping business and money within our country.

I'm not sure if Canada would be able to replace US-related trade with itself or other countries. The amount that Canadian trade is US-dependent is staggering.

That's because it could never happen. But I do believe thatUS is also dependent on the Canadian Economy and resources. Look at all the lumber we are trading every year. As well, if you look at the business these few years, alot more American companies are moving north of the border to create business rather than expanding in the US.

The US is dependent on Canada, but certainly not to the extent that Canada is dependent on the US. I'm not sure if you realize the extent to which Canadian trade is linked to the US.

 

[Dexion]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Dexion

That's why our GDP per capita is so much higher than Canada's right? About a 1/3 higher. And your Unemployment rate is about 7.2% and ours is 5.6%. Ok!

Poplulation. 5.6% of 300,000 million is much greater than 7.2% of 27 million.

Right... :roll: That's why economists use population instead of per-capita rate. BUZZZZZZ you're wrong. The rate is what matters.

Your totally wrong. GDP does not determine a nation's economic health and well-being.

 

[Dexion]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Agreed. That'sbecause we are neighbours and trade is a natural thing(not saying it's a good thing). It creates competition in the economy and business between both countries, lowering profit levels and lower salary for both. For example, if we had no trade relations with the US, Canada would have businesses within our own country or internationally to fill that gap. Albeit a higher price, but at least keeping business and money within our country.

I'm not sure if Canada would be able to replace US-related trade with itself or other countries. The amount that Canadian trade is US-dependent is staggering.

That's because it could never happen. But I do believe thatUS is also dependent on the Canadian Economy and resources. Look at all the lumber we are trading every year. As well, if you look at the business these few years, alot more American companies are moving north of the border to create business rather than expanding in the US.

The US is dependent on Canada, but certainly not to the extent that Canada is dependent on the US. I'm not sure if you realize the extent to which Canadian trade is linked to the US.

Should I thank Brian Mulroney?
:roll:

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
How about, when you're rich you'll never vote for the NDP. I have no desire to see some poor mofo benefitting off of my brain.

Probably true of a lot of rich people (unfortunately), I can see why the rich would choose to be selfish and not willing to help others. (EDIT: Not like it'd help them, anyway, they are still mortal like everyone else, and they can't use their money after they're dead!! HAHAHAHAHA!)

I'd rather see the government helping those not as well off to start contributing to society rather than just leeching off society. The NDP can help these citizens start contributing effectively to our economy and build up Canada.

No but after our death our kids can inherit our money to put in good use. Success is generally heriditary, I don't want some dirty little sh!t getting my money to waste his welfare on crack.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Not at all, when the USA shafted my families business (lumber), my dad started exporting to Japan and Europe. Unlike when something goes wrong for the USA, we don't b!tch, we do something about it. Thanks for coming out genious.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

That's why our GDP per capita is so much higher than Canada's right? About a 1/3 higher. And your Unemployment rate is about 7.2% and ours is 5.6%. Ok!

Wait a sec, maybe it's because you've got 250 million people and we have 39 million! Thanks buddy! 1/3 high but a population almost 6 times more! That means on average people in canada contribute more to the GDP per capita than an american does. Wow, that really shows the american work ethic!

 

[NoReMoRsE]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Success is generally heriditary

Prove this statement please. It is my understanding that sociologists have shown that success is often due to beneficial socio-economic factors which can be traced down to inequality, whether historical or today.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Not at all, but thanks for coming out genious.

Really?

Last I looked, over 80% of exports and over 60% of imports were related to the US.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Success is generally heriditary

Prove this statement please. It is my understanding that sociologists have shown that success is often due to beneficial socio-economic factors which can be traced down to inequality, whether historical or today.

Look at what you just said. Your family gives you the socio economic factors that make it an inequality.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Not at all, but thanks for coming out genious.

Really?

Last I looked, over 80% of exports and over 60% of imports were related to the US.

I edited it an explained it a bit more.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Not at all, but thanks for coming out genious.

Really?

Last I looked, over 80% of exports and over 60% of imports were related to the US.

I edited it an explained it a bit more.

That's nice and all, but that still doesn't disprove the dependence of Canadian trade on the US. Almost 70% of Canadian trade involves the US!

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Not at all, but thanks for coming out genious.

Really?

Last I looked, over 80% of exports and over 60% of imports were related to the US.

I edited it an explained it a bit more.

That's nice and all, but that still doesn't disprove the dependence of Canadian trade on the US. Almost 70% of Canadian trade involves the US!

And it's gradually decreasing. Thank god, the less we have to do with you the better.

 

[NoReMoRsE]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Success is generally heriditary

Prove this statement please. It is my understanding that sociologists have shown that success is often due to beneficial socio-economic factors which can be traced down to inequality, whether historical or today.

Look at what you just said. Your family gives you the socio economic factors that make it an inequality.

Your statement "success is generally hereditary" suggests that genetics is somehow involved.

But even assuming it's not, you're saying that inequality and unfairness is good? Shouldn't we try to correct this wherever possible, to help everyone in society become contributing members? Why should we continue to allow the poorer sectors of society get driven down into the ground generation after generation with no chance to better themselves? Is it their fault? Or is it society's? My opinion is that it is the latter.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Dexion

Originally posted by: Mill
AHAHA as if it matters! Canada is just a buffer zone for the US. You're our lackeys and nothing more. Without us you collapse.

I dunno about that, It seems your economy is already in collapse mode. No offense, but as a smaller country we are doing fine economically.

Well the Canadian economy is almost entirely dependent on the US, isn't it? I mean isn't an overwhelming majority of Canadian trade involving the US?

Not at all, but thanks for coming out genious.

Really?

Last I looked, over 80% of exports and over 60% of imports were related to the US.

I edited it an explained it a bit more.

That's nice and all, but that still doesn't disprove the dependence of Canadian trade on the US. Almost 70% of Canadian trade involves the US!

And it's gradually decreasing. Thank god, the less we have to do with you the better.

It sure will take a damn long time to shift 70% of Canadian trade.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Success is generally heriditary

Prove this statement please. It is my understanding that sociologists have shown that success is often due to beneficial socio-economic factors which can be traced down to inequality, whether historical or today.

Look at what you just said. Your family gives you the socio economic factors that make it an inequality.

Your statement "success is generally hereditary" suggests that genetics is somehow involved.

But even assuming it's not, you're saying that inequality and unfairness is good? Shouldn't we try to correct this wherever possible, to help everyone in society become contributing members? Why should we continue to allow the poorer sectors of society get driven down into the ground generation after generation with no chance to better themselves? Is it their fault? Or is it society's? My opinion is that it is the latter.

No we shouldn't. If you've got GUY 1 who has the IQ of 199 and basks in his money because he has created an incredibly good idea, created it from scratch, marketed it and succeeded, why should GUY B, who is a dirty bum benefit from it.

Social inequality is a fact of life, and I have no problem with someone tryin to change it, but it should be changed through hard work, not through government legislation saying that a lackluster worker should benefit from a guy slaving at his office for 15 hours a day.

Edit: As far as making poorer people get poorer, my family came to canada almost 60 years ago from India. They slaved away for 30 years and finally hit the jackpot. It came from sheer hard work and grit. People should better themselves through work, not through someone elses work. Thats no better than cheating off of someone elses test to get a better mark.

 

[NoReMoRsE]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara
No we shouldn't. If you've got GUY 1 who has the IQ of 199 and basks in his money because he has created an incredibly good idea, created it from scratch, marketed it and succeeded, why should GUY B, who is a dirty bum benefit from it.

Social inequality is a fact of life, and I have no problem with someone tryin to change it, but it should be changed through hard work, not through government legislation saying that a lackluster worker should benefit from a guy slaving at his office for 15 hours a day.

Edit: As far as making poorer people get poorer, my family came to canada almost 60 years ago from India. They slaved away for 30 years and finally hit the jackpot. It came from sheer hard work and grit. People should better themselves through work, not through someone elses work. Thats no better than cheating off of someone elses test to get a better mark.

I agree with you that someone who worked hard should be rewarded and someone who is lazy should be punished.

But recall what you said earlier, that lots of people are lazy and simply "inherit" their wealth and resources.. these people certainly don't deserve what they are getting, and yet you support them just because of their genetics? I say we should punish them in some way to help other less "genetically fortunate" others out: i.e. put a tax on inherited earnings. This tax could be used to subsidize education to help those who can't afford it, since they need education to get ahead in life.

I respect what your parents have done. My parents are the same. They were immigrants, they came to Canada and worked hard and thanks to them, I work hard and am trying to succeed at university.