Canadians

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

Wow, between you two and Sickbeast I'm beginning to wonder about you Canucks. Would either of you care to answer Infohawks question?

Are all Canadians the same? The only reason I ask that is because you guys seem to think that ALL Americans are the same. You realize that we're actually a pretty diverse group of people right?

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

That plus who would we be able to be condescending towards, the Mexicans?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

Wow, between you two and Sickbeast I'm beginning to wonder about you Canucks. Would either of you care to answer Infohawks question?

Are all Canadians the same? The only reason I ask that is because you guys seem to think that ALL Americans are the same. You realize that we're actually a pretty diverse group of people right?

Diverse is as Diverse does. From where I'm sitting, there isn't enough "diversity".

 

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

Wow, between you two and Sickbeast I'm beginning to wonder about you Canucks. Would either of you care to answer Infohawks question?

Are all Canadians the same? The only reason I ask that is because you guys seem to think that ALL Americans are the same. You realize that we're actually a pretty diverse group of people right?

To answer Infohawks question - I would not want Canada to join the US. I think I'm extremely lucky to live in Canada and could not imagine living anywhere else. For those that think the cultures are similar, they seem close enough at first glance but spend enough time mingling with society and people and you will see the subtle but "heavy" differences.

Let me put it this way, the conservatives in Canada would be Leftists in the US.
To put it in perspective, as a Canadian I find it stifling as an environment in the US the same way a liberal in the US would be if they were in a neocon dominated area.

There's many things but the expressed arrogance and right wing exuberance are the two things that irk me, and that may vary from person to person. They are two very diverse but different countries - Canada is a land of immigrants, while the US wants to shut their borders down. As an example, half of the greater Toronto area's 6 million population is foreign born. Approximately 16% of Canadians are visible minorities. The difference is majority of Canadians are proud to be part of a nation built on immigration.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

Wow, between you two and Sickbeast I'm beginning to wonder about you Canucks. Would either of you care to answer Infohawks question?

Are all Canadians the same? The only reason I ask that is because you guys seem to think that ALL Americans are the same. You realize that we're actually a pretty diverse group of people right?

To answer Infohawks question - I would not want Canada to join the US. I think I'm extremely lucky to live in Canada and could not imagine living anywhere else. For those that think the cultures are similar, they seem close enough at first glance but spend enough time mingling with society and people and you will see the subtle but "heavy" differences.

Let me put it this way, the conservatives in Canada would be Leftists in the US.
To put it in perspective, as a Canadian I find it stifling as an environment in the US the same way a liberal in the US would be if they were in a neocon dominated area.

There's many things but the expressed arrogance and right wing exuberance are the two things that irk me, and that may vary from person to person. They are two very diverse but different countries - Canada is a land of immigrants, while the US wants to shut their borders down. As an example, half of the greater Toronto area's 6 million population is foreign born. Approximately 16% of Canadians are visible minorities. The difference is majority of Canadians are proud to be part of a nation built on immigration.

The United States is 26% non-white, I'm not sure this really matters but it is an issue you raised. By 2050 we are to be a majority minority nation. You strike me as someone who has never been here if you think we aren't proud to be a nation built on immigration.

 

[Czar]

A rather arrogant question

 

[Madwand1]

The time for massive expansion of individual nations is over. It's time for furtherance of the mutual understanding, cooperation, and liberty of distinct nations. Canada and America both have good examples and experience to share with the world in their tolerance of divisions within their own countries and the example of their cooperation yet separation across borders and political systems is one to draw upon, not the old notions of one nation against all others.

 

[Mill]

I do not see the benefit to either country.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Mill
I do not see the benefit to either country.

x2

Why?

 

[Martin]

Not until a major US mindset change. The current US mindset is one of being a large country, with a large military that is better than everone else out there and that must dominate and control others. Being a developed country of 300 million with militaristic inclinations means that you've obviously achieved that.

Unfortunately, the price for that is you have must have a large, distant, powerful government, which means you can't enjoy the freedom, democracy and quality of life enjoyed by other countries. When government is small and local it can and does work well - you can find a consensus to a lot of issues, put resources towards finding the right solution and allow more freedom.

You know how the EU is critised in Europe and being too big, distant? Do you realize that the EU government is effectively speaking 30 times smaller than the US government? It controls a budget of ~700B euros (1T USD) over 7 years for 430m people. The US federal government controls 3T over 1 year for 300 million people.

So yeah, when the US government becomes more like the EU government, we'll consider it. Safe to say, it won't be happening any time soon.

 

[silverpig]

I could see BC joining up with Washington, Oregon, and California, provided they became more "Canadian" in terms of gun laws, and well, see dennilfloss' post above, but I wouldn't want to join a country that makes things even more distant and with less common ground that we already have.

 

[Orignal Earl]

lol
Crazy Americans

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Mill
I do not see the benefit to either country.

x2

Why?

Liberalized trade and border controls would be a good thing, but I do not see any reason to combine the two countries. Canada has their identity and the U.S. has theirs. Yes, the countries are very similar, but they also have differences. I am not sure that either the U.S. or Canada wishes to become one.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Martin
Not until a major US mindset change. The current US mindset is one of being a large country, with a large military that is better than everone else out there and that must dominate and control others. Being a developed country of 300 million with militaristic inclinations means that you've obviously achieved that.

Unfortunately, the price for that is you have must have a large, distant, powerful government, which means you can't enjoy the freedom, democracy and quality of life enjoyed by other countries. When government is small and local it can and does work well - you can find a consensus to a lot of issues, put resources towards finding the right solution and allow more freedom.

You know how the EU is critised in Europe and being too big, distant? Do you realize that the EU government is effectively speaking 30 times smaller than the US government? It controls a budget of ~700B euros (1T USD) over 7 years for 430m people. The US federal government controls 3T over 1 year for 300 million people.

So yeah, when the US government becomes more like the EU government, we'll consider it. Safe to say, it won't be happening any time soon.

I don't think even a fraction of Americans would support it, so I'd say neither will be considering it in the near future.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

It's funny how you guys are discussing this like a concept. Have you guys heard of the North American Union?

 

[Infohawk]

Thanks for the specific reasons, unlike some of your countrymen.

q]Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Get rid of your republic for a parliamentary system that recognizes our queen as head of state, [/quote]
That is awful. Why do you want a queen? Even Australia is inching towards booting her.

dump the permissiveness of religion and puritanism in your politics, become a more tolerant and polite society, dump your hardon for the individual in favor a more collective outlook, stop seeing military service as the measure of leadership, stop imposing your values and will on other countries, embrace science and universal health care...

I'm all for it!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
That plus who would we be able to be condescending towards, the Mexicans?

Yes. And also Southerners.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Czar
A rather arrogant question

Did you see the part in the poll where I said the USA could join Canada? I guess I could have said Union in the title but still...

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

Wow, between you two and Sickbeast I'm beginning to wonder about you Canucks. Would either of you care to answer Infohawks question?

Are all Canadians the same? The only reason I ask that is because you guys seem to think that ALL Americans are the same. You realize that we're actually a pretty diverse group of people right?

Diverse is as Diverse does. From where I'm sitting, there isn't enough "diversity".

Who was Canada's last black prime minister? Oh yeah, you're diverse alright. :roll:

 

[cpmer]

LOL?? Infohawk did u just think of this idea on your own? NAFTA superhighway ring a bell? Yeah all this stuff have been in the works for a long time. Oh you forgot to include mexico in there as well because they a part of the coming North American union as well. They are devaluing our dollar now so they can replace it with the amero. When the US dollar is worth nothing and the public start to panic. Then you will see the media come in and start saying we have no choice left but to switch the amero. This is why illegal immigration has been downplayed because soon it wont matter.

 

[daniel49]

we got enough Hocky players leave the canucks alone.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

Wow, between you two and Sickbeast I'm beginning to wonder about you Canucks. Would either of you care to answer Infohawks question?

Are all Canadians the same? The only reason I ask that is because you guys seem to think that ALL Americans are the same. You realize that we're actually a pretty diverse group of people right?

Diverse is as Diverse does. From where I'm sitting, there isn't enough "diversity".

Who was Canada's last black prime minister? Oh yeah, you're diverse alright. :roll:

To be fair, our parliament is composed mainly with 35+ males. There is very little enthusiasm in politics, few young non-elites even consider careers in politics at any level. Our potential, upcoming election is about to be announced next week during the beginning of September and held about ONE MONTH after being announced. My parents are still wondering why the hell Americans haven't elected anyone yet; I have honestly enjoyed your race thus far though. Voter turn out is low (not uncommon anywhere), and while government appears bigger here, people just don't care as much.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: DukeN

Originally posted by: Imp
Na, realized in the past year how different we are from Americans and how happy I am here.

+1

Wow, between you two and Sickbeast I'm beginning to wonder about you Canucks. Would either of you care to answer Infohawks question?

Are all Canadians the same? The only reason I ask that is because you guys seem to think that ALL Americans are the same. You realize that we're actually a pretty diverse group of people right?

Diverse is as Diverse does. From where I'm sitting, there isn't enough "diversity".

Who was Canada's last black prime minister? Oh yeah, you're diverse alright. :roll:

Who was Americas last Black President? :roll:

We've had a Woman as Prime Minister, although she wasn't Voted into that position, but appointed. We do have a Black Female Governor General, the Queens official Representatitve.

BTW, when a non-European does become PM he/she will unlikely be Black. More likely to be Indian or other Asian.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Martin
Not until a major US mindset change. The current US mindset is one of being a large country, with a large military that is better than everone else out there and that must dominate and control others. Being a developed country of 300 million with militaristic inclinations means that you've obviously achieved that.

Unfortunately, the price for that is you have must have a large, distant, powerful government, which means you can't enjoy the freedom, democracy and quality of life enjoyed by other countries. When government is small and local it can and does work well - you can find a consensus to a lot of issues, put resources towards finding the right solution and allow more freedom.

You know how the EU is critised in Europe and being too big, distant? Do you realize that the EU government is effectively speaking 30 times smaller than the US government? It controls a budget of ~700B euros (1T USD) over 7 years for 430m people. The US federal government controls 3T over 1 year for 300 million people.

So yeah, when the US government becomes more like the EU government, we'll consider it. Safe to say, it won't be happening any time soon.

I don't think even a fraction of Americans would support it, so I'd say neither will be considering it in the near future.

Well, US Libertarians should theoretically fit this description pretty well, meaning a small percentage already support it. But then, I often get the impression that they're somewhat confused - many seem to want both a big powerful united empire and a small federal government and many more seem to believe that their version of how society works be applicable at all levels and to all people.