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Viper1j

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Think again..

I'm wondering if someone shouldn't check on Joshua Turner's daughter.


Idaho seeks to revive 'abortion trafficking' law in US appeals court​


May 7 (Reuters) - A lawyer for the state of Idaho on Tuesday urged a federal appeals court to revive a 2023 state law making it a crime to help a minor cross state lines for an abortion without her parent's consent, which a lower court judge had blocked in November.
"The law is narrow, and one would think, unobjectionable," Idaho Deputy Solicitor General Joshua Turner told the three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Seattle.

"It prohibits strange adults from recruiting, harboring or transporting unemancipated minors within Idaho to procure an abortion, but only when that act is done with the specific intent to conceal it from the unemancipated minor's parents or guardians."
A federal judge in Boise had blocked enforcement of the law in November while she considers a lawsuit brought by Lourdes Matsumoto, a lawyer and advocate who works with victims of sexual violence, and the Northwest Abortion Access Fund and Indigenous Idaho Alliance, which helps people in Idaho access abortion. They argued that the law interfered with their right to free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Their lawyer Wendy Olson said the panel should uphold that order, saying the law "seeks to criminalize an unclear amount of undefined assistance to minors" and amounted to regulation of protected speech and expression because it prevents plaintiffs from telling minors about getting abortions.
Circuit Judges M. Margaret McKeown and John Owens, who were both appointed by Democratic presidents, appeared open to reviving at least part of the law. Circuit Judge Carlos Bea, an appointee of Republican then-President George W. Bush, did not speak during the argument.

McKeown asked several questions during the argument questioning how transporting someone could be speech protected by the First Amendment.
She also asked both sides whether the part of the law against "recruiting" could be blocked, on the grounds that it interferes with speech simply telling minors about accessing abortions, while upholding the prohibitions on harboring and transporting.
Turner said it could, while Olson said that harboring and transporting could still be protected by the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of association.

Idaho bans almost all abortions, with narrow exceptions to save the mother's life and for rape or incest that is reported to police. However, it borders Washington, Oregon and Montana, which allow them.
Under its law, adults who help girls obtain surgical or medication abortions without parental or guardians' consent would face a minimum of two years in prison if convicted.
The case is one of several challenging laws that criminalize helping residents travel to states where abortion is legal. The U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 ruling that had established a nationwide right to abortion.

A group of Alabama healthcare providers and a fund that helps people in the state filed lawsuits last year seeking to block anyone from being prosecuted under state law for helping someone travel out of state for an abortion. The state's Republican attorney general had suggested that Alabamans who did so could be prosecuted as criminal accomplices.
 

HomerJS

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Think again..

I'm wondering if someone shouldn't check on Joshua Turner's daughter.


Idaho seeks to revive 'abortion trafficking' law in US appeals court​


May 7 (Reuters) - A lawyer for the state of Idaho on Tuesday urged a federal appeals court to revive a 2023 state law making it a crime to help a minor cross state lines for an abortion without her parent's consent, which a lower court judge had blocked in November.
"The law is narrow, and one would think, unobjectionable," Idaho Deputy Solicitor General Joshua Turner told the three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Seattle.

"It prohibits strange adults from recruiting, harboring or transporting unemancipated minors within Idaho to procure an abortion, but only when that act is done with the specific intent to conceal it from the unemancipated minor's parents or guardians."
A federal judge in Boise had blocked enforcement of the law in November while she considers a lawsuit brought by Lourdes Matsumoto, a lawyer and advocate who works with victims of sexual violence, and the Northwest Abortion Access Fund and Indigenous Idaho Alliance, which helps people in Idaho access abortion. They argued that the law interfered with their right to free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Their lawyer Wendy Olson said the panel should uphold that order, saying the law "seeks to criminalize an unclear amount of undefined assistance to minors" and amounted to regulation of protected speech and expression because it prevents plaintiffs from telling minors about getting abortions.
Circuit Judges M. Margaret McKeown and John Owens, who were both appointed by Democratic presidents, appeared open to reviving at least part of the law. Circuit Judge Carlos Bea, an appointee of Republican then-President George W. Bush, did not speak during the argument.

McKeown asked several questions during the argument questioning how transporting someone could be speech protected by the First Amendment.
She also asked both sides whether the part of the law against "recruiting" could be blocked, on the grounds that it interferes with speech simply telling minors about accessing abortions, while upholding the prohibitions on harboring and transporting.
Turner said it could, while Olson said that harboring and transporting could still be protected by the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of association.

Idaho bans almost all abortions, with narrow exceptions to save the mother's life and for rape or incest that is reported to police. However, it borders Washington, Oregon and Montana, which allow them.
Under its law, adults who help girls obtain surgical or medication abortions without parental or guardians' consent would face a minimum of two years in prison if convicted.
The case is one of several challenging laws that criminalize helping residents travel to states where abortion is legal. The U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 ruling that had established a nationwide right to abortion.

A group of Alabama healthcare providers and a fund that helps people in the state filed lawsuits last year seeking to block anyone from being prosecuted under state law for helping someone travel out of state for an abortion. The state's Republican attorney general had suggested that Alabamans who did so could be prosecuted as criminal accomplices.
Hmm. This guy stole my premise I made since Kamala became the nominee. Great ad. Needs to be blasted everywhere
 
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Viper1j

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That so-called "cop" would have a bullet in his face if that were me.

Fuck with my family at your own peril.
 

brycejones

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Peter Thiel will happily contract to provide the government with all that information. The so called libertarian is responsible for bank rolling some of the most intrusive data collection on the planet.
 
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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.
 

Fenixgoon

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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.
Let's suppose a teen gets pregnant and doesn't trust their parents but has a friend with a car. Or goes to a non-profit organization get help in accessing an abortion. Should those people be criminalized for helping someone obtain healthcare?

This shouldn't be an issue in the first place because reproductive healthcare is still healthcare and should be accessible.
 

APU_Fusion

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Checkpoints and pregnancy tests at every red state border into a blue state soon? Thought police and removal of ability to provide information to women and girls soon? Definitely the Land of the Free.
 
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nickqt

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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.

Let's suppose a teen gets pregnant and doesn't trust their parents but has a friend with a car. Or goes to a non-profit organization get help in accessing an abortion. Should those people be criminalized for helping someone obtain healthcare?

This shouldn't be an issue in the first place because reproductive healthcare is still healthcare and should be accessible.
Let's make it real simple.

Would a father who raped his daughter want a person unknown to him transporting his daughter out of state for a medical procedure without his knowledge?

Probably not.

Is rapist father the person who we're trying to protect? If not, than who are we protecting, and from what?

Is this law designed to protect "real" girls from an imaginary liberal transporting an imaginary boy across the border so he can get gender-affirming surgery so the boy can become a girl and sneak a peak in the girls bathroom?

Every. Accusation. Is. A. Confession.

Just because Republicans are really into fantasies involving the genitals of minor children doesn't mean the law has any basis in reality of doing anything remotely resembling what it's pretending to do.

It's designed to protect men from the consequences of raping minor girls. If you believe otherwise, you're objectively fucking stupid.
 
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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?
 

sandorski

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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?

There are good reasons why Parents don't need to know.
 

nickqt

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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?
I assume Diane doesn't want to be pregnant, how does this law protect Diane?

And Uncle Bob, being a blood relative, is going to get a tip and a nod as he crosses the border with his niece.

But more importantly, how is this totally legitimate law getting enforced?

Police check points at every state border crossing demanding birth certificates of any adult and child driving across a state border? Point of care pregnancy tests for all females between the age of 11-55?

I guess it'll be a decent jobs program, so it has that going for it.
 

Viper1j

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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.
What 14-year-old girl that got knocked up by her stepfather, is going to ask her stepfather for permission to abort the baby?

Things that make one go hmm...

 

ch33zw1z

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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?
Why wouldn’t uncle bob face consequences?
 
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