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Viper1j

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Think again..

I'm wondering if someone shouldn't check on Joshua Turner's daughter.


Idaho seeks to revive 'abortion trafficking' law in US appeals court​


May 7 (Reuters) - A lawyer for the state of Idaho on Tuesday urged a federal appeals court to revive a 2023 state law making it a crime to help a minor cross state lines for an abortion without her parent's consent, which a lower court judge had blocked in November.
"The law is narrow, and one would think, unobjectionable," Idaho Deputy Solicitor General Joshua Turner told the three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Seattle.

"It prohibits strange adults from recruiting, harboring or transporting unemancipated minors within Idaho to procure an abortion, but only when that act is done with the specific intent to conceal it from the unemancipated minor's parents or guardians."
A federal judge in Boise had blocked enforcement of the law in November while she considers a lawsuit brought by Lourdes Matsumoto, a lawyer and advocate who works with victims of sexual violence, and the Northwest Abortion Access Fund and Indigenous Idaho Alliance, which helps people in Idaho access abortion. They argued that the law interfered with their right to free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Their lawyer Wendy Olson said the panel should uphold that order, saying the law "seeks to criminalize an unclear amount of undefined assistance to minors" and amounted to regulation of protected speech and expression because it prevents plaintiffs from telling minors about getting abortions.
Circuit Judges M. Margaret McKeown and John Owens, who were both appointed by Democratic presidents, appeared open to reviving at least part of the law. Circuit Judge Carlos Bea, an appointee of Republican then-President George W. Bush, did not speak during the argument.

McKeown asked several questions during the argument questioning how transporting someone could be speech protected by the First Amendment.
She also asked both sides whether the part of the law against "recruiting" could be blocked, on the grounds that it interferes with speech simply telling minors about accessing abortions, while upholding the prohibitions on harboring and transporting.
Turner said it could, while Olson said that harboring and transporting could still be protected by the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of association.

Idaho bans almost all abortions, with narrow exceptions to save the mother's life and for rape or incest that is reported to police. However, it borders Washington, Oregon and Montana, which allow them.
Under its law, adults who help girls obtain surgical or medication abortions without parental or guardians' consent would face a minimum of two years in prison if convicted.
The case is one of several challenging laws that criminalize helping residents travel to states where abortion is legal. The U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 ruling that had established a nationwide right to abortion.

A group of Alabama healthcare providers and a fund that helps people in the state filed lawsuits last year seeking to block anyone from being prosecuted under state law for helping someone travel out of state for an abortion. The state's Republican attorney general had suggested that Alabamans who did so could be prosecuted as criminal accomplices.
 

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I'm wondering if someone shouldn't check on Joshua Turner's daughter.


Idaho seeks to revive 'abortion trafficking' law in US appeals court​


May 7 (Reuters) - A lawyer for the state of Idaho on Tuesday urged a federal appeals court to revive a 2023 state law making it a crime to help a minor cross state lines for an abortion without her parent's consent, which a lower court judge had blocked in November.
"The law is narrow, and one would think, unobjectionable," Idaho Deputy Solicitor General Joshua Turner told the three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Seattle.

"It prohibits strange adults from recruiting, harboring or transporting unemancipated minors within Idaho to procure an abortion, but only when that act is done with the specific intent to conceal it from the unemancipated minor's parents or guardians."
A federal judge in Boise had blocked enforcement of the law in November while she considers a lawsuit brought by Lourdes Matsumoto, a lawyer and advocate who works with victims of sexual violence, and the Northwest Abortion Access Fund and Indigenous Idaho Alliance, which helps people in Idaho access abortion. They argued that the law interfered with their right to free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Their lawyer Wendy Olson said the panel should uphold that order, saying the law "seeks to criminalize an unclear amount of undefined assistance to minors" and amounted to regulation of protected speech and expression because it prevents plaintiffs from telling minors about getting abortions.
Circuit Judges M. Margaret McKeown and John Owens, who were both appointed by Democratic presidents, appeared open to reviving at least part of the law. Circuit Judge Carlos Bea, an appointee of Republican then-President George W. Bush, did not speak during the argument.

McKeown asked several questions during the argument questioning how transporting someone could be speech protected by the First Amendment.
She also asked both sides whether the part of the law against "recruiting" could be blocked, on the grounds that it interferes with speech simply telling minors about accessing abortions, while upholding the prohibitions on harboring and transporting.
Turner said it could, while Olson said that harboring and transporting could still be protected by the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of association.

Idaho bans almost all abortions, with narrow exceptions to save the mother's life and for rape or incest that is reported to police. However, it borders Washington, Oregon and Montana, which allow them.
Under its law, adults who help girls obtain surgical or medication abortions without parental or guardians' consent would face a minimum of two years in prison if convicted.
The case is one of several challenging laws that criminalize helping residents travel to states where abortion is legal. The U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 ruling that had established a nationwide right to abortion.

A group of Alabama healthcare providers and a fund that helps people in the state filed lawsuits last year seeking to block anyone from being prosecuted under state law for helping someone travel out of state for an abortion. The state's Republican attorney general had suggested that Alabamans who did so could be prosecuted as criminal accomplices.
Hmm. This guy stole my premise I made since Kamala became the nominee. Great ad. Needs to be blasted everywhere
 

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That so-called "cop" would have a bullet in his face if that were me.

Fuck with my family at your own peril.
 

brycejones

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Peter Thiel will happily contract to provide the government with all that information. The so called libertarian is responsible for bank rolling some of the most intrusive data collection on the planet.
 
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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.
 

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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.
Let's suppose a teen gets pregnant and doesn't trust their parents but has a friend with a car. Or goes to a non-profit organization get help in accessing an abortion. Should those people be criminalized for helping someone obtain healthcare?

This shouldn't be an issue in the first place because reproductive healthcare is still healthcare and should be accessible.
 

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Checkpoints and pregnancy tests at every red state border into a blue state soon? Thought police and removal of ability to provide information to women and girls soon? Definitely the Land of the Free.
 
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nickqt

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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.

Let's suppose a teen gets pregnant and doesn't trust their parents but has a friend with a car. Or goes to a non-profit organization get help in accessing an abortion. Should those people be criminalized for helping someone obtain healthcare?

This shouldn't be an issue in the first place because reproductive healthcare is still healthcare and should be accessible.
Let's make it real simple.

Would a father who raped his daughter want a person unknown to him transporting his daughter out of state for a medical procedure without his knowledge?

Probably not.

Is rapist father the person who we're trying to protect? If not, than who are we protecting, and from what?

Is this law designed to protect "real" girls from an imaginary liberal transporting an imaginary boy across the border so he can get gender-affirming surgery so the boy can become a girl and sneak a peak in the girls bathroom?

Every. Accusation. Is. A. Confession.

Just because Republicans are really into fantasies involving the genitals of minor children doesn't mean the law has any basis in reality of doing anything remotely resembling what it's pretending to do.

It's designed to protect men from the consequences of raping minor girls. If you believe otherwise, you're objectively fucking stupid.
 
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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?
 

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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?

There are good reasons why Parents don't need to know.
 

nickqt

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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?
I assume Diane doesn't want to be pregnant, how does this law protect Diane?

And Uncle Bob, being a blood relative, is going to get a tip and a nod as he crosses the border with his niece.

But more importantly, how is this totally legitimate law getting enforced?

Police check points at every state border crossing demanding birth certificates of any adult and child driving across a state border? Point of care pregnancy tests for all females between the age of 11-55?

I guess it'll be a decent jobs program, so it has that going for it.
 

Viper1j

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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.
What 14-year-old girl that got knocked up by her stepfather, is going to ask her stepfather for permission to abort the baby?

Things that make one go hmm...

 

ch33zw1z

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Let's make it more simple.

A little ditty 'bout Jack & Diane
Two American kids growing up in the heart land
Jack, he's gonna be a football star
Diane's debutante, back seat of Jacky's car

Suckin' on chilli dog outside the Tastee Freez
Diane sitting on Jacky's lap
Got his hands between her knees
Jack he says
"Hey, Diane, let's run off behind the shady trees
Dribble off those Bobby Brooks
Let me do what I please"



So Diane gets in trouble. As her parents, would you want Jack to be able to take her across state lines to make the trouble go away without either of them telling you?



Or maybe a little more insidious. Maybe Uncle Bob does something nasty at the Church Fair and then demands Becky Sue go with him to get it taken care of. Should Uncle Bob face consequences?
Why wouldn’t uncle bob face consequences?
 

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This is only the beginning...


She was accused of murder after losing her pregnancy. SC woman now tells her story​


Orangeburg, South CarolinaKFF Health News —
Amari Marsh had just finished her junior year at South Carolina State University in May 2023 when she received a text message from a law enforcement officer.

“Sorry it has taken this long for paperwork to come back,” the officer wrote. “But I finally have the final report, and wanted to see if you and your boyfriend could meet me Wednesday afternoon for a follow up?”

Marsh understood that the report was related to a pregnancy loss she’d experienced that March, she said. During her second trimester, Marsh said, she unexpectedly gave birth in the middle of the night while on a toilet in her off-campus apartment. She remembered screaming and panicking and said the bathroom was covered in blood.

“I couldn’t breathe,” said Marsh, now 23.

The next day, when Marsh woke up in the hospital, she said, a law enforcement officer asked her questions. Then, a few weeks later, she said, she received a call saying she could collect her daughter’s ashes.

At that point, she said, she didn’t know she was being criminally investigated. Yet three months after her loss, Marsh was charged with murder/homicide by child abuse, law enforcement records show. She spent 22 days at the Orangeburg-Calhoun Regional Detention Center, where she was initially held without bond, facing 20 years to life in prison.

This August, 13 months after she was released from jail to house arrest with an ankle monitor, Marsh was cleared by a grand jury. Her case will not proceed to trial.

Her story raises questions about the state of reproductive rights in this country, disparities in health care, and pregnancy criminalization, especially for Black women like Marsh. More than two years after the U.S. Supreme Court issued its Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision, which allowed states to outlaw abortion, the climate around these topics remains highly charged.

Marsh’s case also highlights what’s at stake in November. Sixty-one percent of voters want Congress to pass a federal law restoring a nationwide right to abortion, according to a recent poll by KFF, the health policy research, polling, and news organization that includes KFF Health News. These issues could shape who wins the White House and controls Congress, and will come to a head for voters in the 10 states where ballot initiatives about abortion will be decided.

This case shows how pregnancy loss is being criminalized around the country, said U.S. Rep. James Clyburn, a Democrat and graduate of South Carolina State University whose congressional district includes Orangeburg.

“This is not a slogan when we talk about this being an ‘election about the restoration of our freedoms,’” Clyburn said.

‘I was scared’​

When Marsh took an at-home pregnancy test in November 2022, the positive result scared her. “I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t want to let my parents down,” she said. “I was in a state of shock.”

She didn’t seek prenatal care, she said, because she kept having her period. She thought the pregnancy test might have been wrong.

An incident report filed by the Orangeburg County Sheriff’s Office on the day she lost the pregnancy stated that in January 2023 Marsh made an appointment at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Columbia to “take the Plan-C pill which would possibly cause an abortion to occur.” The report doesn’t specify whether she took — or even obtained — the drug.

During an interview at her parents’ house, Marsh denied going to Planned Parenthood or taking medicine to induce abortion.

“I’ve never been in trouble. I’ve never been pulled over. I’ve never been arrested,” Marsh said. “I never even got written up in school.”

She played clarinet as section leader in the marching band and once performed at Carnegie Hall. In college, she was majoring in biology and planned to become a doctor.

South Carolina state Rep. Seth Rose, a Democrat in Columbia and one of Marsh’s attorneys, called it a “really tragic” case. “It’s our position that she lost a child through natural causes,” he said.

On Feb. 28, 2023, Marsh said, she experienced abdominal pain that was “way worse” than regular menstrual cramps. She went to the emergency room, investigation records show, but left after several hours without being treated. Back at home, she said, the pain grew worse. She returned to the hospital, this time by ambulance.

Hospital staffers crowded around her, she said, and none of them explained what was happening to her. Bright lights shone in her face. “I was scared,” she said.

According to the sheriff’s department report, hospital staffers told Marsh that she was pregnant and that a fetal heartbeat could be detected. Freaked out and confused, she chose to leave the hospital a second time, she said, and her pain had subsided.

In the middle of the night, she said, the pain started again. She woke up, she recalled, feeling an intense urge to use the bathroom. “And when I did, the child came,” she said. “I screamed because I was scared, because I didn’t know what was going on.”

Her boyfriend at the time called 911. The emergency dispatcher “kept telling me to take the baby out” of the toilet, she recalled. “I couldn’t because I couldn’t even keep myself together.”

First medical responders detected signs of life and tried to perform lifesaving measures as they headed to Regional Medical Center in Orangeburg, the incident report said. But at the hospital, Marsh learned that her infant, a girl, had not survived.

“I kept asking to see the baby,” she said. “They wouldn’t let me.”

The following day, a sheriff’s deputy told Marsh in her hospital room that the incident was under investigation but said that Marsh “was currently not in any trouble,” according to the report. Marsh responded that “she did not feel as though she did anything wrong.”

More than 10 weeks later, nothing about the text messages she received from an officer in mid-May implied that the follow-up meeting about the final report was urgent.

“Oh it doesn’t have to be Wednesday, it can be next week or another week,” the officer wrote in an exchange that Marsh shared with KFF Health News. “I just have to meet with y’all in person before I can close the case out. I am so sorry”

“No problem I understand,” Marsh wrote back.

She didn’t tell her parents or consider hiring a lawyer. “I didn’t think I needed one,” she said.

Marsh arranged to meet the officer on June 2, 2023. During that meeting, she was arrested. Her boyfriend was not charged.

Her father, Herman Marsh, the band director at a local public school in Orangeburg, thought it was a bad joke until reality set in. “I told my wife, I said, ‘We need to get an attorney now.’”

Pregnancy criminalization​

When Marsh lost her pregnancy on March 1, 2023, women in South Carolina could still obtain an abortion until 20 weeks beyond fertilization, or the gestational age of 22 weeks.

Later that spring, South Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature passed a ban that prohibits providers from performing abortions after fetal cardiac activity can be detected, with some exceptions made for cases of rape, incest, or when the mother’s life is in jeopardy. That law does not allow criminal penalties for women who seek or obtain abortions.

Solicitor David Pascoe, a Democrat elected to South Carolina’s 1st Judicial Circuit whose office handled Marsh’s prosecution, said the issues of abortion and reproductive rights weren’t relevant to this case.

“It had nothing to do with that,” he told KFF Health News.

The arrest warrant alleges that not moving the infant from the toilet at the urging of the dispatcher was ultimately “a proximate cause of her daughter’s death.” The warrant also cites as the cause of death “respiratory complications” due to a premature delivery stemming from a maternal chlamydia infection. Marsh said she was unaware of the infection until after the pregnancy loss.

Pascoe said the question raised by investigators was whether Marsh failed to render aid to the infant before emergency responders arrived at the apartment, he said. Ultimately, the grand jury decided there wasn’t probable cause to proceed with a criminal trial, he said. “I respect the grand jury’s opinion.”

Marsh’s case is a “prime example of how pregnancy loss can become a criminal investigation very quickly,” said Dana Sussman, senior vice president of Pregnancy Justice, a nonprofit that tracks such cases. While similar cases predate the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision, she said, they seem to be increasing.

“The Dobbs decision unleashed and empowered prosecutors to look at pregnant people as a suspect class and at pregnancy loss as a suspicious event,” she said.

Local and national anti-abortion groups seized on Marsh’s story when her name and mug shot were published online by The Times and Democrat of Orangeburg. Holly Gatling, executive director of South Carolina Citizens for Life, wrote a blog post about Marsh titled, in part, “Orangeburg Newborn Dies in Toilet” that was published by National Right to Life. Gatling and National Right to Life did not respond to interview requests.

Marsh said she made the mistake of googling herself when she was released from jail.

“It was heartbreaking to see all those things,” she said. “I cried so many times.”

Some physicians are also afraid of being painted as criminals. The nonprofit Physicians for Human Rights published a report on Sept. 17 about Florida’s six-week abortion ban that included input from two dozen doctors, many of whom expressed fear about the criminal penalties imposed by the law.

“The health care systems are afraid,” said Michele Heisler, medical director for the nonprofit. “There’s all these gray areas. So everyone is just trying to be extra careful. Unfortunately, as a result, patients are suffering.”

Chelsea Daniels, a family medicine doctor who works for Planned Parenthood in Miami and performs abortions, said that in early September she saw a patient who had a miscarriage during the first trimester of her pregnancy. The patient had been to four hospitals and brought in the ultrasound scans performed at each facility.

“No one would touch her,” Daniels said. “Each ultrasound scan she brought in represents, on the other side, a really terrified doctor who is doing their best to interpret the really murky legal language around abortion care and miscarriage management, which are the same things, essentially.”

Florida is one of the 10 states with a ballot measure related to abortion in November, although it is the only Southern state with one. Others are Montana, Missouri, and Maryland.

‘I found my strength’​

Zipporah Sumpter, one of Marsh’s lawyers, said the law enforcement system treated her client as a criminal instead of a grieving mother. “This is not a criminal matter,” Sumpter said.

It was not just the fraught climate around pregnancy that caused Marsh to suffer; “race definitely played a factor,” said Sumpter, who does not believe Marsh received compassionate care when she went to the hospital the first or second time.

The management of Regional Medical Center, where Marsh was treated, changed shortly after her hospitalization. The hospital is now managed by the Medical University of South Carolina, and its spokesperson declined to comment on Marsh’s case


Historically, birth outcomes for Black women in Orangeburg County, where Marsh lost her pregnancy, have ranked among the worst in South Carolina. From 2020 through 2022, the average mortality rate for Black infants born in Orangeburg County was more than three times as high as the average rate for white infants statewide.

Today, Marsh is still trying to process all that happened. She moved back in with her parents and is seeing a therapist. She is taking classes at a local community college and hopes to reenroll at South Carolina State University to earn a four-year degree. She still wants to become a doctor. She keeps her daughter’s ashes on a bookshelf in her bedroom.

“Through all of this, I found my strength. I found my voice. I want to help other young women that are in my position now and will be in the future,” she said. “I always had faith that God was going to be on my side, but I didn’t know how it was going to go with the justice system we have today.”
 

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Maga is the Taliban under the guise of Christian Nationalism. The average Maga has no clue what is coming and thinks they will be part of the in-group. What a terrible, uneducated and willfully ignorant group of people.

The fact that a rambling demented, insane, racist Trump is at all close in this race, is mind-boggling to this middle of the road former liberal republican. Hell, I am now a full blown woke, communist and fascist and socialist and Marxist and devil worshipping libtard to them because I want religious bullshit to stay the hell out of all public government. What the actual hell. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Would any of you want a person unknown to you transporting your minor child out of state for a medical procedure without your knowledge?

It doesn't appear to prohibit transportation of an adult, or a minor with parental permission.
Did you NOT notice the dad that was driving the car deliberately?
 

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We already have Republicans in various trying to obtain info on women's menstrual cycles


Trump adviser green-lights 'states that want to set up full menstrual surveillance departments'​




Donald Trump's senior adviser Jason Miller says that under a second Trump presidency, "it's 'going to be up to the states' whether or not they set up regimes to monitor women’s pregnancies so they can prosecute them for getting out of state abortions."

During a Wednesday Newsmax interview, the conservative interviewer asked, "[Trump] wouldn't support monitoring pregnancies even if a state decided to do that?"


Miller replied, "Well, he's made it very clear that he's not gonna go and weigh in and try to push various states in how they want to go and set up their particular rules and restrictions. That's gonna be up to the states."

Conservative and Bulwark founder Charlie Sykes replied: "Oh"

Talking Points Memo founder John Marshall commented: "Trump kingpin Jason Miller gives the thumbs up to states that want to set up full menstrual surveillance departments"

Marshall added, "JD Vance is a major Menstrual Surveillance proponent. But the Trump camp has been fairly good and at avoiding the issue. This explicit green light from Miller changes that. Walz shld definitely bring this up at his debate with Johnny Donuts and Harris campaign shld pounce generally."

Watch the video at this link.
 

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Trump adviser green-lights 'states that want to set up full menstrual surveillance departments'​


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Donald Trump's senior adviser Jason Miller says that under a second Trump presidency, "it's 'going to be up to the states' whether or not they set up regimes to monitor women’s pregnancies so they can prosecute them for getting out of state abortions."

During a Wednesday Newsmax interview, the conservative interviewer asked, "[Trump] wouldn't support monitoring pregnancies even if a state decided to do that?"


Miller replied, "Well, he's made it very clear that he's not gonna go and weigh in and try to push various states in how they want to go and set up their particular rules and restrictions. That's gonna be up to the states."

Conservative and Bulwark founder Charlie Sykes replied: "Oh"

Talking Points Memo founder John Marshall commented: "Trump kingpin Jason Miller gives the thumbs up to states that want to set up full menstrual surveillance departments"

Marshall added, "JD Vance is a major Menstrual Surveillance proponent. But the Trump camp has been fairly good and at avoiding the issue. This explicit green light from Miller changes that. Walz shld definitely bring this up at his debate with Johnny Donuts and Harris campaign shld pounce generally."

Watch the video at this link.

Jason Miller (guy in pic) slipped his baby mama an abortion pill smoothie without telling her.
 
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Jason Miller (guy in pic) slipped his baby mama an abortion pill smoothie without telling her.
Only the best.

"
In 2017, he became a contributor on CNN,[8] but left the position in 2018 amidst unsubstantiated allegations reported by Gizmodo including spiking an erotic dancer's drink with abortion medication. This claim was denied by both alleged participants under oath in federal court.[9] In unsealed court documents from a defamation case Miller filed against Gizmodo, Miller admitted to hiring prostitutes and having extramarital affairs with two campaign staffers.[10] In March 2021, he became a contributor for Newsmax.[11] Miller left his position as Trump's spokesman in June 2021 to become the CEO of Gettr, a micro-blogging social network with a conservative user base.[12][13][14]

In 2023, Miller left Gettr to join Trump's 2024 presidential campaign.[15][16]"
 
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