Capped bandwidth in college dorms

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LordThing

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I worked as an admin for WVU for 2 years, I am so sick of these whiny kids that come in and want nothing but file sharing. Acting like its a God given right for them and we should pretty much drop fiber straight into their room and leave them alone. So, let me get this straight, you are b!tching that your college is not providing you with enough ability to do illegal activities? Pah-lease!! You do have a fast network, it was provided to you for e-mail, instant messaging, and internet research for educational and sometimes pleasure purposes. Be supremely happy they don't go completely nazi on you and instate filters on what web sites are allowed. :disgust:


 

SaintAshlar

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<< So, let me get this straight, you are b!tching that your college is not providing you with enough ability to do illegal activities? Pah-lease!! You do have a fast network, it was provided to you for e-mail, instant messaging, and internet research for educational and sometimes pleasure purposes. >>



Yup. They should respect the fact that we are paying customers. It's not like I'm living here out of the goodness of their heart. I have to write them a fat check every month. As a tenant and a subscriber to their SERVICE, I should expect certain things. Just because we're feisty college kids, we're not entitled to the same rights as, say, someone living in an apartment who's subscribed to DSL? I'd say that was age discrimination.

Their terms clearly allow me to use the internet for "incidental personal purposes", so I'm pretty sure my griping is warranted.
 

kranky

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Oct 9, 1999
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I would have posted what LordThing did, but since he has experience in that domain his post has more credibility.

Sorry, SaintAshlar, your argument is full of holes. Age discrimination? I doubt they are restricting bandwidth based on the age of the user. Since the college pays based on the bandwidth used, would you prefer that you pay your proportionate share based on usage? I doubt that. You want a free unlimited ride for a fixed payment which is being subsidized by the countless students who aren't abusing the system.

But my favorite part is the unmitigated, incredible hypocrisy of using the "I'm a paying customer" argument in order to get more illegal software. I salute you!
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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Saint,

You do realize it is because of people like you constantly downloading illegal crap on a VERY EXPENSIVE (millions of dollars) network that the guys who design them like ME implement these limits????

you pay for a internet connection - can you ping? Yes? then you're getting what you paid for. Not trying to be rude here, just telling the truth.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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If you got a problem with it then go move off campus, pay your own rent, and get your own damn connection.

From what I've seen other people post on this board, $1000 a month is pretty damn cheap for that area. Don't like what you're paying for? Move.
 

sohcrates

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Sep 19, 2000
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Penn State just started caps...and guess what? I'm tech support for the dorms, so they come down in droves and start complaining to me!

So i tell them , "ok, i'll just go turn the internet speed dial up" heheh

anyway, you're all forgetting ONE big thing here:

BANDWIDTH AT UNIVERSITYS IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEDICATED TO ACADEMIC AND RESEARCH PURPOSES

If most of you read your housing contracts, i'm sure you'll find a clause stating something to the effect of "housing is not responsible for internet speed" or something like that.

Here at PSU, we did a study , and dorm residents were taking up 75% of the TOTAL BANDWIDTH FOR THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY. Now that is just awful

the solution is NOT to buy more bandwidth, either, the solution is to enlighten students about closing down file sharing program after they're done, etc.

fast dorm connections are a big selling point for prospective students..but i'm sure most universities rate it very low on their priority list when compared to having enough bandwidth to do things like key card locks on doors, computer lab bandwidth, etc....

my $.02

 

Viper GTS

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Oct 13, 1999
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Why is it that the majority of my generation is a bunch of worthless, whining, POS's? There certainly are exceptions, & many from this board are exceptions. But the originator of this thread certainly isn't.

Grow the hell up, & quit being a thief.

Those rat bastards.

You're the only bastard in this situation.

Viper GTS
 

TallBill

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Apr 29, 2001
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there should be separate options then for internet use.... like a paying option to get to use full potential... or at least something semi highspeed, or just the plain ole accademic.... at my old school the separate option was to order frickin dial up service in your dorm... there has to be a high speed option at least...
 

JackOfHearts

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I work in tech support at my college and b4 we capped filesharing even just surfing the net was slow... when I was working on a problem and I had to download drivers for printers and what not out in the field, it was terrible... (HP needs smaller drivers) Now with morpheous and napsters capped 300k when out on the network... life is good... For tech support anyways
 

SaintAshlar

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Where are these accusations of software piracy coming from? I never implied such. As far as I know, it's not illegal to download an mp3 either, unless you're violating copyright.
 

sohcrates

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<< Where are these accusations of software piracy coming from? I never implied such. As far as I know, it's not illegal to download an mp3 either, unless you're violating copyright. >>



the point is that 99% of mp3's people download ARE copyrighted

PLUS, all the movies they download are the same

I could care less, but the truth is that it IS illegal
 

crypticlogin

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<< Where are these accusations of software piracy coming from? I never implied such. As far as I know, it's not illegal to download an mp3 either, unless you're violating copyright. >>





<< I want mp3s, movies, and stuff!!! >>


After four years in school, I never met a college kid who didn't want a big pipe to download his gigs and gigs of free, legit MP3s and free-to-distribute movies (maybe the Star Wars trailers are an exception). Never did I meet someone who had a legitimate need for a big pipe outside of research, and they did those types of things on-campus in the teaching buildings. So tell me SaintAshlar, what MP3s and Movies are you downloading?



<< Yup. They should respect the fact that we are paying customers. It's not like I'm living here out of the goodness of their heart. I have to write them a fat check every month. As a tenant and a subscriber to their SERVICE, I should expect certain things. Just because we're feisty college kids, we're not entitled to the same rights as, say, someone living in an apartment who's subscribed to DSL? I'd say that was age discrimination. >>



Uh oh, you said the "R" word, not to be confused with the "P" word (hint: has a 'rivelege' in it). And you (or parents) don't have to write a fat check every month -- I'm sure the network services aren't a required condition for living in campus dorms.
 

Logix

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I don't want to sound like a "whiney POS" but sometimes I feel like I'm paying too much for this service. I've turned off Morpheus, but that doesn't stop everyone else from slowing down the network to sub-56K modem speeds. If it were an option, I'd get a cable modem or DSL for my dorm room, but AFAIK, that's not an option. The alternative is dail-up, but that's not much of an alternative AND it ties up the one phone line in here. So, by living in the dorms, I HAVE to pay for internet access where I'm downloading on-and-off at about 4K/sec. If they just capped Morpheus here, things would be peachy, but as they are, this sucks.

The other alternative is to live off-campus, which I will happily be doing next year.
 

xyion

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I'm at Penn State also. I live in the residence halls. I tried to download my Econ lecture notes the other day. 500k Power Point File. Took 25 minutes. I was going at the blazing speed of 853 bytes/second. There's capping bandwidth, and then there is what PSU did.
 

brtspears2

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I heard all the Regents of the UC, CSU, and all that K-12 domain people pooled together to get bandwidth at a cheaper, bulk rate...

Though, ResNET connections seriously suck. The speed that was once avaliable is now close to dialup.
 

Jzero

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<< I have to write them a fat check every month. As a tenant and a subscriber to their SERVICE, I should expect certain things. Just because we're feisty college kids, we're not entitled to the same rights as, say, someone living in an apartment who's subscribed to DSL? I'd say that was age discrimination.

Their terms clearly allow me to use the internet for "incidental personal purposes", so I'm pretty sure my griping is warranted.
>>



Actually, as a former college student and RES.net program employee, I kinda know something about this.

First-off you say you pay $xxx to live in the Dorm. If you're going to stake the claim that you are owed something as a "subscriber" you first need to make sure that you REALLY ARE a subscriber at all. At my school, RES.net services were purposely offered for free for two reasons--to silence people like you who may think they are "owed" something, and so that we can easily boot offenders from the program without them claiming they have rights as a subscriber.

Secondly, I haven't read every computing access agreement ever written, but I'm 99% sure yours says something to the tune of "RES.net is to be used for academic purposes only..." I don't doubt that there is a clause specifically allowing you to use it for non-academic purposes, but the fact of the matter is that if it is determined that the residential subnet is sapping the bandwidth of the academic subnet, the residential subnet is GOING to be throttled, and there's nothing you can do about it because even if you really ARE a paying subscriber, since when does your "rights" as a greedy brat supercede an ENTIRE UNIVERSITY'S rights as a an educational enterprise?
Furthermore, since when does your "rights" as a greedy brat supercede the rights of everyone else who may be sharing the bandwitdh on your subnet?
'nuff said.

Thirdly, your argument that a broadband subscriber living in his own apartment is false. Last time I checked, as a PAYING cable subscriber, my speeds are capped at FAR less than the bandwidth could theoretically bear, and that network exists solely for recreational purposes. But again, since it's shared bandwidth, what right do I as a greedy brat have to sap the speed of everyone else in my building simply because I think I have some god-given right to monopolize the resource?

Bob970, at least offers a suggestion instead of just saying "GIMME GIMME GIMME!:


<< there should be separate options then for internet use.... like a paying option to get to use full potential... or at least something semi highspeed, or just the plain ole accademic >>


This is a good idea, and if you can devise a cheap, easy way to allocate bandwidth on a per-host basis, I am ALL EARS! This task is far easier said than done. Simply keeping track of the database of users who opted for the "high-bandwidth" service would be a pain, but seeing as most RES.net programs are running DHCP and don't provide nameservice with fixed hostnames, about the only way to track you would be by your MAC address. Assuming we can compile a database that links users to MAC addresses (because we can--I've done it), now we just have to come up with a way to only allocate that much bandwidth to those MACs.....
Short of manually plugging those devices into switches on a separate subnet, which would make the idea pretty cost-ineffective, we'd need to find some way to automate the process.....
And if you could do it, now you run into the problem that customers paying for xxxMBps will be peeved if they don't get it, which is a whole other can of worms.

No easy task, sorry.



 

shopbruin

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dear me you are nearly taking the cake in complaining.

look its just a limit on the speed. they have NOT NOT NOT capped how much you can data you can transfer. you'd be bitching and whining even more that you can't download more than 10 movies a week. go into westwood, buy a student ticket for 7 bucks to see a movie. better sound, better picture quality, better everything. get off your behind and move. heck walk up and down bruinwalk - there are always people giving away free movie passes!

it sounds like you are NOT living in the residence halls since you pay 9k a year. well sweetie i pay 9400 a year to live in my double in sunset. but what do i get? a private bathroom that is cleaned and restocked for me EVERY WEEK, a room much bigger than the residence halls with full closets and closet doors that slide open and shut. all dorms come with free cable tv! i have control over the air conditioning and heat in my room, unlike sproul where i lived my first year. central air so all i got was tufts of cold air blowing through the vent in the middle of the winter. oh yeah and that 9400 is for 11 meals a week. those meals don't carry over like premiere does, and i stay here all the time on 11 meals...

your room is a roach trap if you make it a roach trap. people complain they have mice and ants and so on. mice are only a problem up in hitch and saxon because they're out in the boonies. anywhere else, its your own mess that's attracting them.

if anything is seriously wrong with the room (and no, the person that complained her furniture didn't match doesn't mean something is wrong) you can call the front desk. they'll put in a work order for you. wow free repairs!

you want to deal with morons like you? go work at the front desk. i have to deal with all of you bitching and whining. i had one guy call me and ask if i could get the internet back up so he could finish downloading the cliffs notes for the paper he had due tomorrow. gosh what a dedicated ucla student right there... i don't make enough (6.88 an hour, extra .37 after business hours) to listen to you guys say that the internet is not downloading at 2mb a second. that is actually the concern of STC. i've had several techs in the past come to my room to test my cable tv and over the summer the techs were in my room a few times to check what was wrong with the ethernet jacks. what service...

/end rant for now
 

puffpio

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This is what I did when I lived in the UCLA dorms and they throttled bandwidth.

Step 1: Get a job in some kind of computer position ON CAMPUS and that is NOT ON the residential network.
Step 2: Setup a computer there that will act as a proxy for you.
Step 3: Make your computer send all it's connections through that computer.

The point being that within the UCLA network, bandwidth is unthrottled, even off of the RESNET. And the rest of the campus network is not throttled. Soo...funnel all the incoming traffic to you through a computer that is not on the RESNET to get no bandwidth caps.

I don't really know how to do this automatically. What I would do is FXP stuff to that computer, than FTP it to me from that computer.
 

NaughtyusMaximus

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AFAIK here at UVic if you live in Res and don't like the network speed, you can get cable or DSL.

I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to get DSL where ever you are if you've got a phone line.
 

Jzero

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<< AFAIK here at UVic if you live in Res and don't like the network speed, you can get cable or DSL.

I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to get DSL where ever you are if you've got a phone line.
>>



If you're on a PBX, no way you could get DSL, alhtough my school said if you were willing to pay for cable, you were welcome to.
 
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