Captain America: Civil War

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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agree.

Looks good in a 1 minute trailer, but I see a lot in there that will make this bad.

First: Winter Soldier was pretty good as far as the "big hero" Marvel movies go. small story, limited heroes. It was something of a thriller with action and super heroes. Good entertainment.
Here we see, basically, another Avengers movie. Too many heroes, too much crap going on. Lots of people punching each other for about 2 or 2.5 hours where in the end, we basically end up where we started and we ask ourselves what was gained during that 2.5 hours of punching. Punching none of these people ever leads to any consequences. They get over their little differences in the end and move on to another movie where they punch each other for 2.5 hours.

Second: it looks like we are introducing Black Panther for some reason? How much is that going to eat up of the running time and distract from Bucky and CA vs Avengers? And even if he is just tossed in there without much thought to his origin in this movie universe, isn't that probably another failure?
 

ImpulsE69

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agree.

Looks good in a 1 minute trailer, but I see a lot in there that will make this bad.

First: Winter Soldier was pretty good as far as the "big hero" Marvel movies go. small story, limited heroes. It was something of a thriller with action and super heroes. Good entertainment.
Here we see, basically, another Avengers movie. Too many heroes, too much crap going on. Lots of people punching each other for about 2 or 2.5 hours where in the end, we basically end up where we started and we ask ourselves what was gained during that 2.5 hours of punching. Punching none of these people ever leads to any consequences. They get over their little differences in the end and move on to another movie where they punch each other for 2.5 hours.

Second: it looks like we are introducing Black Panther for some reason? How much is that going to eat up of the running time and distract from Bucky and CA vs Avengers? And even if he is just tossed in there without much thought to his origin in this movie universe, isn't that probably another failure?

Have you ever read comics?
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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Lots of people punching each other for about 2 or 2.5 hours where in the end, we basically end up where we started and we ask ourselves what was gained during that 2.5 hours of punching. Punching none of these people ever leads to any consequences. They get over their little differences in the end and move on to another movie where they punch each other for 2.5 hours.

:hmm: You say that like there is something wrong with this?
 

zinfamous

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:hmm: You say that like there is something wrong with this?

I'm not saying that it's all wrong, just what's the point when it's the same thing over and over again? I enjoy them, but few of them are really worth the cost of entry, tbh. Only the 2nd XMen, first 2 Spidey films, and Guardians were something beyond mind-numbing punching. (and only one of those was a Marvel joint)

The Marvel take on their own stuff has certainly been better than a lot of today's action franchises, but they still don't leave you with anything beyond the moment you walk out of the theater, much less any attachment during the film that any of these characters are ever in any real danger.

True, Transformers are way worse for all of those reasons and more, but in the end these are still rather empty.
 

K1052

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True, Transformers are way worse for all of those reasons and more, but in the end these are still rather empty.

The Marvel Universe films are downright Shakespearian in depth compared to Transformers. The last one was three hours of explosions, blurred action, piercing noise, and random garbage plot just dumped anywhere.
 

Fritzo

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For those that don't know the story, it's pretty relevant for today: the government wants super-powered humans to register and be tracked. Capt. America is against this idea, Tony Stark is for it. Chaos ensues.
 

Strk

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Nov 23, 2003
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The Marvel Universe films are downright Shakespearian in depth compared to Transformers. The last one was three hours of explosions, blurred action, piercing noise, and random garbage plot just dumped anywhere.

I'd say it depends which one, but I think the last Captain America did and awesome job mixing story, dialog and action. I think Honest Trailers does a fairly accurate summation of it. Here's hoping the studio does a similar job with this one.
 
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For those that don't know the story, it's pretty relevant for today: the government wants super-powered humans to register and be tracked. Capt. America is against this idea, Tony Stark is for it. Chaos ensues.

Damn you Trump!!
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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For those that don't know the story, it's pretty relevant for today: the government wants super-powered humans to register and be tracked. Capt. America is against this idea, Tony Stark is for it. Chaos ensues.

That is like the plot of every X-Men story since...1963

I'd say it depends which one, but I think the last Captain America did and awesome job mixing story, dialog and action. I think Honest Trailers does a fairly accurate summation of it. Here's hoping the studio does a similar job with this one.

Agreed, I really liked WS. I don't see this coming close in quality (maybe if they cut out half the heroes involved)
 

TwiceOver

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For those that don't know the story, it's pretty relevant for today: the government wants super-powered humans to register and be tracked. Capt. America is against this idea, Tony Stark is for it. Chaos ensues.

Thanks for that.
 

SP33Demon

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Jun 22, 2001
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agree.

Looks good in a 1 minute trailer, but I see a lot in there that will make this bad.

First: Winter Soldier was pretty good as far as the "big hero" Marvel movies go. small story, limited heroes. It was something of a thriller with action and super heroes. Good entertainment.
Here we see, basically, another Avengers movie. Too many heroes, too much crap going on. Lots of people punching each other for about 2 or 2.5 hours where in the end, we basically end up where we started and we ask ourselves what was gained during that 2.5 hours of punching. Punching none of these people ever leads to any consequences. They get over their little differences in the end and move on to another movie where they punch each other for 2.5 hours.

Second: it looks like we are introducing Black Panther for some reason? How much is that going to eat up of the running time and distract from Bucky and CA vs Avengers? And even if he is just tossed in there without much thought to his origin in this movie universe, isn't that probably another failure?
Spidey's in it too. But that's only going to make it more awesome, not less. If you know what the story is about, all of these superheroes have to be in it. Read up on it.
 

darkewaffle

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At first I thought this was a hero movie set in like the 1860s lol. I don't know anything about comics.

That said I still can't take most of those costumes seriously.
 

Phoenix86

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May 21, 2003
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For those that don't know the story, it's pretty relevant for today: the government wants super-powered humans to register and be tracked. Capt. America is against this idea, Tony Stark is for it. Chaos ensues.

I hope the movie focuses on this more, based on the trailer he's doing it "because he's my friend". The thing that makes it really interesting is Cap standing on high moral ground, not because he's being a bro.

 

stormkroe

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I'm not saying that it's all wrong, just what's the point when it's the same thing over and over again? I enjoy them, but few of them are really worth the cost of entry, tbh.
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Do you realize you've just made a case against every pro sport ever?
 

AznAnarchy99

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Dec 6, 2004
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I hope the movie focuses on this more, based on the trailer he's doing it "because he's my friend". The thing that makes it really interesting is Cap standing on high moral ground, not because he's being a bro.


Only thing is that they're trying to make you more conflicted with Tony and Cap vs. Tony being the bad guy.
 
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