Captain America: Civil War

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[JEDI]

One of Ironman's weaknesses is that he isn't trained in combat strategies. It is conceivable that two super soldiers could pose a deadly threat for him if he was trying to subdue them rather than kill them.

super soldiers aren't even as strong as spider man!
they're just a little stronger than the avg body builder.

and ironmans armor can withstand a blow from the hulk and thors hammer.

so 2 beefed up bodybuilders can do the same damage as them?!

 

[zinfamous]

Spidey's in it too. But that's only going to make it more awesome, not less. If you know what the story is about, all of these superheroes have to be in it. Read up on it.

right, but that was always the problem with adapting grand serial comic series to to film--there is just far too much crap going on within those stories, let alone years and years of backstory to set up all the little characters and plots that led up to that story, to fit it all into a two hour movie.

I like that they are at least trying to ease their way into Thanos and the Infinity gauntlet in the end, but you and I know that is going to be absurdly neutered in comparison--Are we going to see Cosmic Titans hurtling entire planets at Thanos in a futile attempt to stop him? No..

Now, I think this is the only way to keep it simple and serviceable for film--just pile on the super heroes and jettison the meat of the plot. Yes, it's still entertaining but like I said, you end up numb and basically confused after it is over. Or even worse, you end up with Spiderman 3.

 

[Fritzo]

super soldiers aren't even as strong as spider man!
they're just a little stronger than the avg body builder.

and ironmans armor can withstand a blow from the hulk and thors hammer.

so 2 beefed up bodybuilders can do the same damage as them?!

They made them a bit stronger in the movies. We saw Cap pushing a car sideways like a cardboard box. Also, he was getting hit with Cap's shield, which would be quite a blow.

 

[zinfamous]

Do you realize you've just made a case against every pro sport ever?

there is a season and winners and losers at the end.

Also, plenty of people get injured daily and even die, tragically, in sports.

So yes, there are stakes.

I do agree, however, that sports are inherently meaningless. I suppose it is certainly better to derive one's entertainment from actors pretending to be superheroes that are only fake-not-hurting themselves vs cheering on the bloodsports that lead to real life maiming and death.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Having read the comics, I think this will be a pretty good movie. I guess we'll see.

Also, Cap and Black Widow look older in this movie.

 

[smackababy]

#teamtony

#teamskrull


Secret invasion please!

 

[Pulsar]

Have you ever read comics?

Doesn't matter if we've read the comics or not. This movie will NOT be a blockbuster based on the backs of those few people who still purchase and read comics. It needs to have a wide appeal, a good storyline, and coherency. The vast majority of folks won't give two shits if it breaks cannon. They're simply out looking for a good movie.

So if the writers are going to introduce new characters they better do a good job of it. Because the normal movie goes isn't walking in there thinking about whether flash is faster than superman or apocalypse is more powerful than the phoenix.

 

[Pulsar]

super soldiers aren't even as strong as spider man!
they're just a little stronger than the avg body builder.

and ironmans armor can withstand a blow from the hulk and thors hammer.

so 2 beefed up bodybuilders can do the same damage as them?!

See, this is the kind of crap that the majority of the folks spending money on really don't care about......

 

[ImpulsE69]

Doesn't matter if we've read the comics or not. This movie will NOT be a blockbuster based on the backs of those few people who still purchase and read comics. It needs to have a wide appeal, a good storyline, and coherency. The vast majority of folks won't give two shits if it breaks cannon. They're simply out looking for a good movie.

So if the writers are going to introduce new characters they better do a good job of it. Because the normal movie goes isn't walking in there thinking about whether flash is faster than superman or apocalypse is more powerful than the phoenix.

I think you missed the point of the comment in the context of his complaint. He is complaining about basically every comic / tv show / movie ever created. Sequels, seasons, new story lines, everything, levels every story line ever. No one is gone for good, no one is ever top dog entirely. Basically making everything null and void.

 

[stormkroe]

there is a season and winners and losers at the end.

Also, plenty of people get injured daily and even die, tragically, in sports.

So yes, there are stakes.

I do agree, however, that sports are inherently meaningless. I suppose it is certainly better to derive one's entertainment from actors pretending to be superheroes that are only fake-not-hurting themselves vs cheering on the bloodsports that lead to real life maiming and death.

No ill thoughts from me, sports TV bore me to death. I like super heroe movies because of nostalgia. I was mainly just fishing for a touche'

 

[Fritzo]

there is a season and winners and losers at the end.

Also, plenty of people get injured daily and even die, tragically, in sports.

So yes, there are stakes.

I do agree, however, that sports are inherently meaningless. I suppose it is certainly better to derive one's entertainment from actors pretending to be superheroes that are only fake-not-hurting themselves vs cheering on the bloodsports that lead to real life maiming and death.

I love how people go crazy over who wins a season in sports, and then the next season it just starts over and the last season doesn't mean anything.

 

[waggy]

I hope the movie focuses on this more, based on the trailer he's doing it "because he's my friend". The thing that makes it really interesting is Cap standing on high moral ground, not because he's being a bro.

IF this speech is NOT In the movie i will be pissed off..lol

wonder though if htey will demask spidey in the movie like they did in the comic?

 

[Phoenix86]

They made them a bit stronger in the movies. We saw Cap pushing a car sideways like a cardboard box. Also, he was getting hit with Cap's shield, which would be quite a blow.

And Winter Soldier's (that still his name?) arm, which was strong enough to take hits from the shield. Also, Tony's armor couldn't really take much from the hulk, which is why he had hulk buster armor.

Iron man always sustained damage, which he had to repair or replace armor between most battles. These two pounding on him would take it's toll.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Didn't spidey also

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have an assassination targeted at his girlfriend and grandma?

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Also, this guy (known as nuke);

With the flag on his face has appeared in Jessica Jones as this guy

 

[Ns1]

The last one was three hours of explosions, blurred action, piercing noise, and random garbage plot just dumped anywhere.

You're talking about Avengers 2 right?

 

[Phoenix86]

IF this speech is NOT In the movie i will be pissed off..lol

wonder though if htey will demask spidey in the movie like they did in the comic?

Personally I'd really enjoy it word for word, but some version of this really belongs.

 

[Phoenix86]

Also, this guy; With the flag on his face has appeared in Jessica Jones.

I think they will leave him for JJ/Defenders, and I'm glad they (most comic->movie adaptations, not just Marvel) throw our or modify certain aspects like no flagface.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

I think they will leave him for JJ/Defenders, and I'm glad they (most comic->movie adaptations, not just Marvel) throw our or modify certain aspects like no flagface.

I agree. The Defenders seem to have their own mini universe going with DD, JJ, Nuke, Luke Cage, and possibly Hellcat.

Interesting to note though that Killgrave originally fought Daredevil and was beat because his mind was too strong, and then used jessica to kill him. The Avengers then got involved and put her into a coma, then the xmen came along and fixed it. Honestly I think it's too complicated to put to film and I think the main characters will stay mostly separated from the smaller ones, though we may see crossovers.

Like seeing Stark Tower in JJ.

 

[Newell Steamer]

oh give me a break.
cap and bucky punch their way into beating iron man?!

I know right!!

Cap could do it all on his own.

This movie is going to be weak sauce...

 

[Newell Steamer]

Also, on the issue of too many heroes - it does not work well with movies, agreed. But, if you pick up the Civil War mini-series, everyone and their mother is in there. It is a matter of finding the right balance. And, Avengers 2 did not find it... Nonetheless, if you compare Civil War Movie with Civil War Comic, there is maybe 1% of the number of characters duking it out in the movie.

Furthermore, the 'event' that led to Civil War is FAR more serious than what is presumed or alluded to in the movie (Winter Solider's existence and being hunted).

Also, my hope is that we get... The Dark Avengers.

The sequence of 'events' in Marvel is:
- Civil War
- Secret Invasion
- Dark Avengers (as well as Dark X-Men, etc.)
- Hero Age (return of the good guys)

They can pretty much skip Secret Invasion. Even though Secret Invasion created the Dark Avengers. The events of Civil War should be enough to sprout the Dark Avengers.

 

[Pulsar]

I know right!!

Cap could do it all on his own.

This movie is going to be weak sauce...

That is horrible art. It makes Ironman's armor look like it was made from stone.

 

[Phoenix86]

That is horrible art. It makes Ironman's armor look like it was made from stone.

Yeah it is, it looks exactly like the broken stone he's being smashed into, only with color.

 

[Newell Steamer]

That is horrible art. It makes Ironman's armor look like it was made from stone.

Ironman's armor isn't made of iron. It's some sort of crystal / carbon-fiber-reinforced graphite / whatever else the writer pulled out of their ass for the story they are scribing.

 

[zinfamous]

I think you missed the point of the comment in the context of his complaint. He is complaining about basically every comic / tv show / movie ever created. Sequels, seasons, new story lines, everything, levels every story line ever. No one is gone for good, no one is ever top dog entirely. Basically making everything null and void.

No I'm not.

Perhaps I am complaining about the type of content that you limit yourself to and so that is "all the TV and entertainment ever" from your perspective, but my criticisms are very specific.