Captain America: Civil War

Page 7 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Childs

Lifer
Jul 9, 2000
11,450
7
81
Reviews are starting to come in. I watched a few spoiler free reviews, and it seems like this lives up the hype, and maybe even exceeds it. Now I need to tune out and just wait to see it.
 

blankslate

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2008
8,659
491
126
watching it tonight at 2300 hrs eastern time.


___________
 
Last edited:

Childs

Lifer
Jul 9, 2000
11,450
7
81
It was pretty good. I got stuck in the front of the theater which kinda sucked, but it was so good I'll probably watch it again some time this weekend.
 

blankslate

Diamond Member
Jun 16, 2008
8,659
491
126
Civil War had good editing and a good story.

I'll watch it at least once more.


______________
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
Dec 6, 2004
14,705
117
106
I wish DC didn't change the release date on Batman v. Superman cause Civil War would have killed them.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
27,929
142
106
Probably going to see it in an hour or so. HYPE! HYPE! HYPE!

Team Cap checking in.

*plants like a tree in the river of truth*
Is the tree quote from the movie? I've been in the dark, really trying to limit watching any previews for this one. Haven't even read reviews on RT.
 

Denly

Golden Member
May 14, 2011
1,433
229
106
Saw it last night, very strong showing. Way better than A1 or A2 and continuous the C2 theme.

A few take
I am surprise no one die in the movie
3x Cap movies in a row that Cap part with the shield at the end.
Spidy is super strong(see vs Bucky)
Did not explain how black cat get his super power from
Love the new Aunt May
I think to push the cap/bucky relationship too far
I like the twisted ending
Cap got stronger on every movie
Is this the end of hawkeye?
Interesting Vision was the only one serious about killing the other team at the airport with.
 

Childs

Lifer
Jul 9, 2000
11,450
7
81
I am surprise no one die in the movie

Two semi important characters died: Crossbones and Agent Carter. I didnt think a hero would kill another because of how they set it up. It was really more of a friendly philosophical disagreement. Even when they all fought each other it wasn't to actually fight. If anyone was going to die I thought it would be Capt since he died in the comic.

Spidy is super strong(see vs Bucky)
Love the new Aunt May

Not just against Bucky, but in Stark's Spidey footage when he was recruiting him Spider-Man caught a 3K pound car going 40mph. They really nailed Spider-Man and Aunt May. Even the end credits scene was excellent. I really want a Spider-Man movie now, and I haven't been excited about that character since Spider-Man 2.

I think to push the cap/bucky relationship too far

This was his only friend growing up, and he used to protect him from bullies. They also implied Capt was alone at an early age, and Bucky is the only family he has, especially now that Peggy Carter is dead

Cap got stronger on every movie

I think its more that Cap is like Superman in that he doesn't go all out unless he has to, and in each movie the stakes get higher and higher. Capt is capable of surviving a beating from the Hulk, and is the pinnacle of human physical potential and master of hand to hand combat. But all the characters get better with each movie. Even Falcon, who lost 1v1 to Ant Man in the Ant Man movie, was a bad ass in this movie.

BTW, maybe there should be a spoiler thread. Tagging all the spoiler stuff is going to be a pain in the butt!
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
14,643
9
81
BTW, maybe there should be a spoiler thread. Tagging all the spoiler stuff is going to be a pain in the butt!

If you're in this thread post release you should expect spoilers, imo. Don't want to see spoilers? Don't enter the thread... That being said, it's only hours out so I'll tag stuff for a couple days.

Movie was awesome. It's WAY better than the other avengers movies, 10/10. My only complaint is a mild one, the run time. It's long, but it also doesn't rush things or drag them out. It needed to be that long.

I didn't connect who was in the car until they showed the VCR and Tony together. Knew it was going downhill from there in a bad way. Unfortunately the trailer showing Cap+Bucky fighting Tony made me look for it, they shouldn't have shown the last fight scene in the trailer.

ANT-MAN! So glad they made him go BIG, that totally stole the airport fight.
 

drquest

Golden Member
Apr 18, 2001
1,148
7
81
I saw this last night.

I was a huge Winter Soldier movie fan, that movie just had everything going for it. I had concerns CW might have too many characters, and seem overloaded, but wow, nothing is further from the truth. It seemed to have it all! Massive action, really well done action scenes mind you, humor and a good story to go with it. New characters, Spidey is awesome as is Black Panther. Ant Man was excellent as well.

I will be seeing this one again, maybe again this weekend if I can pull it off.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
30,383
912
126
I was a bit tired last night, and I tend to be very picky/anal when I watch movies when tired. So, it's probably not much of a surprise that I didn't think it was all that great. It really didn't help that people were hyping the shit out of this movie. I watch Screen Junkies stuff, and they just couldn't shut the fuck up about the movie. If someone keeps telling me how a movie is the best thing since sliced bread, I'm going to be even more skeptical about it.

Anyway, about the movie... my biggest complaint is probably character motivations seemed paper thin. Now, some people may say, "This is a dumb comic book movie!" The problem is that it's a 2:20 movie where I would say about 1:40 of the movie is dialog and maybe 40 minutes of action. Iron Man has pretty much gone from one of my favorite characters in the MCU to one of my most disliked characters. He's the source of most of my complaints.

If you want to know about end credits stuff, there is a scene after the fancy credits and one after the normal credits.
 

Skel

Diamond Member
Apr 11, 2001
6,218
661
136
Saw it last night, very strong showing. Way better than A1 or A2 and continuous the C2 theme.

A few take
I am surprise no one die in the movie
When you've hero fighting hero, you can't kill off the future merchandising.

3x Cap movies in a row that Cap part with the shield at the end.
At this point One has to wonder why people put up with him. Made more sense with Fury being in charge.
Spidy is super strong(see vs Bucky)
Spidey is always super strong. Honestly if anything, they overpowered Bucky's metal arm.
Did not explain how black cat get his super power from
Not straight out, but they did allude a lot to his power coming from his suit. They also said he was trained as a warrior.. so there's that.. Nothing about Panther spirits or herbs like in the comics though.
Love the new Aunt May
Worst part of everything.. just saying..
I think to push the cap/bucky relationship too far
How? They were brother before everything happened. Makes sense that he'd be there for him now.
I like the twisted ending
Cap got stronger on every movie
I was suprised and amused at him hitting Iron Man in full armor and acting like it was nothing.
Is this the end of hawkeye?
One can only hope...
Interesting Vision was the only one serious about killing the other team at the airport with.

He did pull his punches. The only reason he hit Warmachine was because he was "distracted" as they set up the love affair between him and Scarlet Witch.. which is odd as she's supposed to be a teenager in this movie per what Cap said in it to Stark.


Two semi important characters died: Crossbones and Agent Carter. I didnt think a hero would kill another because of how they set it up. It was really more of a friendly philosophical disagreement. Even when they all fought each other it wasn't to actually fight. If anyone was going to die I thought it would be Capt since he died in the comic.

I honestly don't think Carter's death really matter outside of making the blonde from the last movie more in line with the Carter in the comics so he can have a kinda love interest? It was an odd pointless thing, would have been just as easy to have her feel guilty about spying on him in the last movie to get her help. Crossbones dying did surprise me a bit, but when you've a ton of villains to chose from, one more gone isn't that big a deal.

Not just against Bucky, but in Stark's Spidey footage when he was recruiting him Spider-Man caught a 3K pound car going 40mph. They really nailed Spider-Man and Aunt May. Even the end credits scene was excellent. I really want a Spider-Man movie now, and I haven't been excited about that character since Spider-Man 2.

I personally hate younger hotter Aunt May, kills the Grandmother archtype she's supposed to be. I will say I was amused at Stark saying they need to be put into check as they're harming people and the proceeds to put a child into battle. At the least he's guilty of child endangerment, if not outright abuse. Just saying
 

Childs

Lifer
Jul 9, 2000
11,450
7
81
Not straight out, but they did allude a lot to his power coming from his suit. They also said he was trained as a warrior.. so there's that.. Nothing about Panther spirits or herbs like in the comics though.

Dont forget Panther was beating Winter Soldier without his panther suit. I think they will have some mysticism or a Wakandian version of the super soldier serum supplementing his abilities. Many powers in the Ultimate universe all seem to go back to the super soldier program, including Hulk in the MCU.

I honestly don't think Carter's death really matter outside of making the blonde from the last movie more in line with the Carter in the comics so he can have a kinda love interest? It was an odd pointless thing, would have been just as easy to have her feel guilty about spying on him in the last movie to get her help. Crossbones dying did surprise me a bit, but when you've a ton of villains to chose from, one more gone isn't that big a deal.

Originally she was Peggy's younger sister, but that made more sense in the 60's vs now. In a way its an odd love interest to have because Sharon is related to Peggy. I thought they were going to make her Peggy's grand daughter, but that would be just as messed up. I always liked Emily Vancamp so I dont mind them giving her more to do, but it seems like a role Maria Hill could have filled. BTW, when they kissed and then you see Falcon and Bucky smiling in the VW Bug, that got one of the biggest laughs in both showings I went to.

I personally hate younger hotter Aunt May, kills the Grandmother archtype she's supposed to be. I will say I was amused at Stark saying they need to be put into check as they're harming people and the proceeds to put a child into battle. At the least he's guilty of child endangerment, if not outright abuse. Just saying

Well, its actually makes more sense. Marisa Tomei is 51, and Peter Parker is in his mid teens, so it seems fine to me. In retrospect it seems odd that originally Ben and May were so much older than Peter. They were more like great uncle and aunt. Whats messed up is I was crushing on Marisa Tomei when I was in my mid teens and she was on A Different World.

And yeah, that was strange Stark used Spider-Man considering the plot, but in his defense Spider-Man is tougher than anyone in the movie, just unexperienced. I thought it was nice when Spider-Man went down and Stark kinda realizes he's still just a kid and keeps him out of it. Since Stark will be in the next Spider-Man movie it looks like they Peter will be the son he never had. And Pepper is now out of the picture... Imagine Stark trying to be a mentor to Peter while flirting with Aunt May.

I also wonder if they didnt get the rights to Spider-Man if they would have used Daredevil. Maybe Spider-Man makes more sense because Stark didnt actually want to hurt any of the Avengers, and Spider-Man can use his webbing to restrain people and Daredevil just beats the shit out of people. lol
 
Last edited:

Skel

Diamond Member
Apr 11, 2001
6,218
661
136
Dont forget Panther was beating Winter Soldier without his panther suit. I think they will have some mysticism or a Wakandian version of the super soldier serum supplementing his abilities. Many powers in the Ultimate universe all seem to go back to the super soldier program, including Hulk in the MCU.

Good point, but to be fair, outside of the Metal arm he's not supposed to be much more than a well trained soldiers, like Crossbones. I get the movie added some magic serum with the other soldiers, but even them he's still someone that could be battled by a well trained fighter. Though I do believe it's the magic Panther stuff that makes him awesome. It's one of my big issues when I discovered what the plan for this movie was. There's just no way you can do justice to all the new players and drive the existing characters forward in that amount of time. Something had to give, and one of them was WTF was up with the Black Panther and his powers. They did allude to it being more of a suit thing though, augmented by super awesome training.


Originally she was Peggy's younger sister, but that made more sense in the 60's vs now. In a way its an odd love interest to have because Sharon is related to Peggy. I thought they were going to make her Peggy's grand daughter, but that would be just as messed up. I always liked Emily Vancamp so I dont mind them giving her more to do, but it seems like a role Maria Hill could have filled. BTW, when they kissed and then you see Falcon and Bucky smiling in the VW Bug, that got one of the biggest laughs in both showings I went to.

I laughed at it, as did most of my audience. It just felt tacked on to settle the love interest check box. Like in Avengers 2 when the Black Widow was suddenly into Banner and was trying to run off with him. Felt tacked on for the checkbox. Not every movie needs a love interest. A movie with this much crap going on, it was a minor pointless part.

Well, its actually makes more sense. Marisa Tomei is 51, and Peter Parker is in his mid teens, so it seems fine to me. In retrospect it seems odd that originally Ben and May were so much older than Peter. They were more like great uncle and aunt. Whats messed up is I was crushing on Marisa Tomei when I was in my mid teens and she was on A Different World.

And yeah, that was strange Stark used Spider-Man considering the plot, but in his defense Spider-Man is tougher than anyone in the movie, just unexperienced. I thought it was nice when Spider-Man went down and Stark kinda realizes he's still just a kid and keeps him out of it. Since Stark will be in the next Spider-Man movie it looks like they Peter will be the son he never had. And Pepper is now out of the picture... Imagine Stark trying to be a mentor to Peter while flirting with Aunt May.

I also wonder if they didnt get the rights to Spider-Man if they would have used Daredevil. Maybe Spider-Man makes more sense because Stark didnt actually want to hurt any of the Avengers, and Spider-Man can use his webbing to restrain people and Daredevil just beats the shit out of people. lol

I shutter at the thought of Stark hitting on Aunt May. She's supposed to be the "Caring Grandmother" archetype. Making her hotter and having Stark hit on her doesn't work for me. It's one of the few picky things from decades of reading comics I have. It'd be like changing Cap into a massive asshole that doesn't care about anyone to me. It's a bit surprising that Marvel, who normally nails their archetypes at least, would make a massive change. I can't help but feel it's to cast a known actress with appeal. Again, that's just a me thing. I can get over a lot in comic to movie, but archetypes are the whole point of the character. Change that and you end up in BvS territory.

As for Daredevil, my understanding is they want to keep the Netflix stuff in it's own world. They're connected but not in the transition them to the movies. Like the Agents of Shield (I could be wrong here, but I haven't seen them in the movies, and while I'm quite a few episodes behind as it's just not that good, I'm unaware of them doing any more movie ties) dropped into it's own thing. One of the reasons I'm told the Inhumans movie was dropped, it's already being done in the AoS show. My guess, if it wasn't Parker, it'd be some other character they have. Marvel has hundreds of characters they could throw in, and most of them they can do whatever with as they're not popular.
 

Childs

Lifer
Jul 9, 2000
11,450
7
81
Good point, but to be fair, outside of the Metal arm he's not supposed to be much more than a well trained soldiers, like Crossbones. I get the movie added some magic serum with the other soldiers, but even them he's still someone that could be battled by a well trained fighter. Though I do believe it's the magic Panther stuff that makes him awesome. It's one of my big issues when I discovered what the plan for this movie was. There's just no way you can do justice to all the new players and drive the existing characters forward in that amount of time. Something had to give, and one of them was WTF was up with the Black Panther and his powers. They did allude to it being more of a suit thing though, augmented by super awesome training.

There doesnt seem to be any tech in Panthers suit other than its made from vibranium. I kinda like how Falcon and Capt tried to ask him about the suit and Panther was like "Dont worry about that, worry about what I'm going to do to your buddy". Again, they did such a good job with Black Panther. Not having a straight origin story added a lot of mystery and made him the ultimate wildcard, which is something you dont usually get in these movies.

As for Daredevil, my understanding is they want to keep the Netflix stuff in it's own world. They're connected but not in the transition them to the movies. Like the Agents of Shield (I could be wrong here, but I haven't seen them in the movies, and while I'm quite a few episodes behind as it's just not that good, I'm unaware of them doing any more movie ties) dropped into it's own thing. One of the reasons I'm told the Inhumans movie was dropped, it's already being done in the AoS show. My guess, if it wasn't Parker, it'd be some other character they have. Marvel has hundreds of characters they could throw in, and most of them they can do whatever with as they're not popular.

Both Colson, Sif (Thor), and Malick (Avengers) were movie characters that have showed up in Agents of Shield. And events in AoS have had an effect in the movies, although you wouldn't know it if you didnt watch the show. And the Netflix shows reference the movies, and AoS has minor references to chaos being caused in Daredevil. So if they go though the effort of making them connected, I dont know why they dont take the next logical step.

The only problem with the Netflix shows is the tone doesnt match AoS or the Marvel movies. I dont know if you could have a light hearted Matt Murdoch interacting with the Avengers crew then go back to Hell Kitchen and beating guys to a pulp with his bare hands. I'd bet though that we'd see The Defenders crew in one of the Infinity Wars movies. Otherwise, theres no point in having the Netflix shows connected to the MCU.
 
Last edited:

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
48,518
5,340
136
I saw this last night.

I was a huge Winter Soldier movie fan, that movie just had everything going for it. I had concerns CW might have too many characters, and seem overloaded, but wow, nothing is further from the truth. It seemed to have it all! Massive action, really well done action scenes mind you, humor and a good story to go with it. New characters, Spidey is awesome as is Black Panther. Ant Man was excellent as well.

I will be seeing this one again, maybe again this weekend if I can pull it off.

I think I'd classify them like this:

Winter Soldier = easily the best action movie I've seen in a decade. They nailed the pacing perfectly so that it had a lot of action, without you getting sick of the action.

Civil War = really fun action movie. Not in the vein of Guardians of the Galaxy, but as an action movie with humor to balance it out.

I was really surprised at how much I liked the Black Panther; I would absolutely watch a whole movie with him, whereas with say Luke Cage from Jessica Jones I'm kinda meh about. Paul Rudd was hilarious. Spider-man was surprisingly really fun, definitely looking forward to a new Spidey movie with him in it. I think they did a really good job of both introducing new characters, but also not overwhelming you with so many characters that it ruined the movie. I also think they did a good job with the civil war concept, at least, far better than they did in Batman vs. Superman about why they need sanctions, but also the dangers of putting sanctions on them, the limitations that imposes, and the choices that it takes away.

Also loved that they put double extras after the credits. I love after the credits stuff!
 

Skel

Diamond Member
Apr 11, 2001
6,218
661
136
There doesnt seem to be any tech in Panthers suit other than its made from vibranium. I kinda like how Falcon and Capt tried to ask him about the suit and Panther was like "Dont worry about that, worry about what I'm going to do to your buddy". Again, they did such a good job with Black Panther. Not having a straight origin story added a lot of mystery and made him the ultimate wildcard, which is something you dont usually get in these movies.


I honestly may be remembering it wrong but I do remember them talking about his suit for a moment other than just what it was made from. He def had some tech in it, the claws alone were one. His eyes also looked more techy (technical word there) so I'm pretty sure there's a HUD in there. We won't know for sure until his movie, but I'd be shocked if it was just suit as Wakanda is supposed to be one of the most technical people on the planet. Doesn't make sense that wouldn't be integrated into his suit.
.

Both Colson, Sif (Thor), and Malick (Avengers) were movie characters that have showed up in Agents of Shield. And events in AoS have had an effect in the movies, although you wouldn't know it if you didnt watch the show. And the Netflix shows reference the movies, and AoS has minor references to chaos being caused in Daredevil. So if they go though the effort of making them connected, I dont know why they dont take the next logical step.

The only problem with the Netflix shows is the tone doesnt match AoS or the Marvel movies. I dont know if you could have a light hearted Matt Murdoch interacting with the Avengers crew then go back to Hell Kitchen and beating guys to a pulp with his bare hands. I'd bet though that we'd see The Defenders crew in one of the Infinity Wars movies. Otherwise, theres no point in having the Netflix shows connected to the MCU.

I know the shows have ref the movies, and I remember AoS attempting to do some cross overish stuff, but not the direct tie ins where you'd see the characters in the movies at this point... maybe Coulson but I doubt we'll see Sky/Daisy the hacker-girl-turned-Inhuman. I could be wrong, but it really looks like they're keeping those brands separate, other than the "yep we're connected but nothing we do matters to the other brands even though you'd think it would."
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |