For all his enhancements, Cap is not on Spider-Man's level in terms of strength. While Cap could fight all the 'twenty Hydra baddies in an elevator" Spider-Man could carry them all up the side of the building. We're talking raw strength here not fighting ability.
Yep, Spidey is supposed to have strength on par with that a spider has. And pound for pound, spiders and insects are FAR stronger than any human. So, scaled up to human size, Spider-strength should be "super". Very "super", in fact.
That said....it's been said before that Cap's strength is that of "Peak human physical condition".....which is absolutely a ridiculous thing for someone that's supposed to be a superhero, because "peak human physical condition" is like an Olympic athlete.
Olympic athletes can't come close to doing what Cap does, so obviously that's an inaccurate description of Cap's strength. He's "super". Not "peak human ability". He'd get curb-stomped by these enhanced baddies no matter what level of fight training he had, if he was merely of "peak human ability".
Think of it this way: The baddest MMA fighter there is would be knocked out or killed by a mere flick of the wrist by someone like Iron Man or Black Panther or Spidey. Much less be able to hold Cap's shield and withstand a huge blow on it from Thor and not be mashed into the ground.
Cap is definitely "super". It's just unclear HOW "super". But he's certainly far and beyond the "peak of human development/ability".
Pretty good movie..
I can understand Ironman at the end.. I hated Captain America at the end..
I won't spoil the ending, but I wouldn't be mad if Captain America died in the end..
Wait, what? Why?
1. If Captain America constrained himself by the UN rules, then he would be unable to fight as needed. Bad guys could take advantage of that because it's no longer people with the best interests of humanity at heart calling the shots, it's politicians who have agendas.
2. If bad guys attacked a place, everyone dies. If Captain America helps out, then only some people die. In the case of the opening sequence, Scarlet Witch accidentally blows up half a building. But #1, if they didn't stop the bad guys, they would have gotten the super-virus & then killed a bunch of people. And #2, if she hadn't raised the explodey guy up, everyone on the ground would have been killed (higher casualty rate). In both cases, because they acted, fewer people died than would have otherwise. That is the nature of war & fighting crime...it's not going to be perfect every fight. Captain America explains that to the Scarlet Witch at one point, that's it just something you have to live with as part of the job, if you want to use your powers, then sometimes things are going to go south.
3. Bucky technically killed Ironman's parents, but he was brainwashed at the time. Bad guys killed Ironman's parents by using Bucky as an unwilling tool. Bucky had no choice in the matter & did not want to do it.
4. The whole movie is about Ironman making stupid decisions. He gives up his rights to make choices about picking his fights by joining the UN. Then he snaps when he sees the video of Bucky killing his parents - even though he KNEW Bucky had been brainwashed & it wasn't his choice to kill them - and rather than hunting down the people responsible, he took it out on Bucky as a scapegoat.
So why do you hate Captain America & why do you think he should have died?
why? because that's what happened in the comic..it really changed the dynamics in the comics.
why? because that's what happened in the comic..it really changed the dynamics in the comics.
If I can figure out how to hide words, I would explain it..
If I can figure out how to hide words, I would explain it..
or use In brackets SPOILER and then in brackets /SPOILER to end it.
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yup politicians.Wait, what? Why?
1. If Captain America constrained himself by the UN rules, then he would be unable to fight as needed. Bad guys could take advantage of that because it's no longer people with the best interests of humanity at heart calling the shots, it's politicians who have agendas.
2. If bad guys attacked a place, everyone dies. If Captain America helps out, then only some people die. In the case of the opening sequence, Scarlet Witch accidentally blows up half a building. But #1, if they didn't stop the bad guys, they would have gotten the super-virus & then killed a bunch of people. And #2, if she hadn't raised the explodey guy up, everyone on the ground would have been killed (higher casualty rate). In both cases, because they acted, fewer people died than would have otherwise. That is the nature of war & fighting crime...it's not going to be perfect every fight. Captain America explains that to the Scarlet Witch at one point, that's it just something you have to live with as part of the job, if you want to use your powers, then sometimes things are going to go south.
3. Bucky technically killed Ironman's parents, but he was brainwashed at the time. Bad guys killed Ironman's parents by using Bucky as an unwilling tool. Bucky had no choice in the matter & did not want to do it.
4. The whole movie is about Ironman making stupid decisions. He gives up his rights to make choices about picking his fights by joining the UN. Then he snaps when he sees the video of Bucky killing his parents - even though he KNEW Bucky had been brainwashed & it wasn't his choice to kill them - and rather than hunting down the people responsible, he took it out on Bucky as a scapegoat.
So why do you hate Captain America & why do you think he should have died?
yup politicians.
yup, there would be more deaths had the avengers NOT helped out. 'Good Samaritan' law anyone?
yup, don't know why Iron Man, especially since he's been thru therapy about it.snapped
2 + 4 dumb plot devices but i'll accept them to move to the movie forward.
still liked the movie.
my major grip (this + Avengers: Age of Ulton) is that they made Cap overpowered.
stop having him go toe to toe in fist fights w/o shield vs guys who are near hulk level in strength.
stop having him be able to withstand punches that would tear holes in armor plating.
he has no invulnerability!
Saw it last night. Definitely like the "Captain" movies better than the Avengers series. There's a bit more meat on the bone and it's not just 2 hours of shit blowing up and snarky one liners.
A couple things bothered me. The actual filming of this felt..off. It's like it was meant to be a high frame speed film but is being played slow. There were some scenes that it just felt like frames were outright skipped. The most noticeable was when Caps side were charging out of the hanger at the airport. Cap starts running and it skipped frames on his feet. The whole action sequence at the beginning was hard to watch because of how fast it was and how close the camera was to the action. It was like watching a Borne movie all over again. But worse. It seemed to get better as things went on.
Caps power creep is getting sort of annoying. He was bare knuckle punching Iron man. He fell how far, how many times and hit how many things on the way down? And still got up? In winter soldier how many times did he get shot by Bucky with no effect in this movie? His overall speed and strength gets kicked up a couple notches each movie as Marvel tries to balance him with the others. It's hard to go back and watch the first Avengers and see him as sort of a plodding antique.
I don't read the comics so I don't know story lines. I really didn't care for the "Vision" plot line in Avengers 2. It was just a half baked and rushed thing. And he just seems like a plodding, unnecessary add-on in this one. He just doesn't add anything useful to the movies. I know at some point that stone in his head is going to be relevant. But damn...3 hours of movie time later and he's still relatively useless and unnecessary.
Upsides to the movie...
- Black Panther was cool.
- Love how they worked in Spider man. Was skeptical previous to release, but it worked great in the movie. Oh and there's always room for Marisa Tomei. Timeless beauty. Don't care about old Aunt May of past lore. This was a fun refresh on the character.
- It was a fun movie and didn't "feel" like 140 minutes. Can't say the same for Avengers 2 where I was looking at my watch at the 100 minute mark wonder when it would finally wrap up.
- There's just a bit more dept (not a lot, but enough) to the characters here. They spend a bit more time on giving some reasons for their actions. It's not just a popcorn munching blow shit up fest. You actually do chew on the sides for a bit and try and figure out which one you want to root for.
***side note***
UBER GEEKED about Rogue One. It's like a Marvel movie and the Star Wars universe had a beautiful and fun to watch baby!
I think the comic was better. For all the budget, the movie felt small scale and micro in comparison. A poor man's civil war. Cap and Tony both seem they're on the same side for the most part which is a huge departure. Spidey was too young and immature to turn on Iron Man and his blatant authoritarianism.
Actually you hit on something very important in this series which I think is needed... the sense of scale of this whole Avengers story is missing IMO. We know for a fact that the public knows about all these super beings, but we rarely get a sense of the global feeling that civilians have about them. We only see things from their end. Very briefly in Civil War do we see this impact w/ the lady talking to Tony, but up until this point we really had no idea how it was impacting the civilians. Due to this, I had a hard time really buying the whole civil war backstory as it didn't have a lot of time to build up. Every one of these movies has made this team feel like a secret club, even though we know that society knows about them. The only taste of unease we get about the general public's feeling about them is through one or two government/military folk that tell them they're causing too much damage.
Compare this to Fox's X-men movies. On average I get a much better sense of how the public views and fears mutants over the course of the X-men movies compared to the Avenger side. They did a good job of showing how outcast the mutants were, and how society feels about them.
For how far in advance Marvel has supposedly been planning these movies, and how they tie in together, I was a little disappointed how none of the previous movies spent much time building the unease of the public towards the Avengers. It's not a bad movie, but the whole "Civil War" thing was almost an afterthought vs. a conflict that deserved more buildup. I guess "Bucky Strikes Back" doesn't have as nice of a ring to it.
Do you watch Jessica Jones?
Actually you hit on something very important in this series which I think is needed... the sense of scale of this whole Avengers story is missing IMO. We know for a fact that the public knows about all these super beings, but we rarely get a sense of the global feeling that civilians have about them. We only see things from their end. Very briefly in Civil War do we see this impact w/ the lady talking to Tony, but up until this point we really had no idea how it was impacting the civilians. Due to this, I had a hard time really buying the whole civil war backstory as it didn't have a lot of time to build up. Every one of these movies has made this team feel like a secret club, even though we know that society knows about them. The only taste of unease we get about the general public's feeling about them is through one or two government/military folk that tell them they're causing too much damage.
Compare this to Fox's X-men movies. On average I get a much better sense of how the public views and fears mutants over the course of the X-men movies compared to the Avenger side. They did a good job of showing how outcast the mutants were, and how society feels about them.
For how far in advance Marvel has supposedly been planning these movies, and how they tie in together, I was a little disappointed how none of the previous movies spent much time building the unease of the public towards the Avengers. It's not a bad movie, but the whole "Civil War" thing was almost an afterthought vs. a conflict that deserved more buildup. I guess "Bucky Strikes Back" doesn't have as nice of a ring to it.
not even sure who/what that is, so no