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ElFenix

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OP did a bad job explaining what happened, i think. from reading the thread: he was squeezing into a traffic lane from a driveway. traffic was stopped. other guy decided to be an ahole and ran into him. that's inexcusable on the other guy's part regardless of how much of a jackass the OP was. OP may still be at fault for not waiting until someone waived him in.
 

Capt Caveman

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The other driver had the right of way, OP is at fault. However, he could argue that he was in the lane long enough that the other driver should have stopped, making it 50/50.
 

ElFenix

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The other driver had the right of way, OP is at fault. However, he could argue that he was in the lane long enough that the other driver should have stopped, making it 50/50.

the other driver was stopped when OP nosed into the traffic lanes. other driver got butt hurt about it and ran into OP. at least, that's what i'm reading.
 

purbeast0

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100% your fault.

EDIT:

after reading his other explanation now i'm not sure, sounds like the other guy was being more of the dick actually. living right near DC and driving through it sometimes during rushhour, i know what you mean about driving in this kind of traffic and pulling out of driveways w/little visibility.
 
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Capt Caveman

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the other driver was stopped when OP nosed into the traffic lanes. other driver got butt hurt about it and ran into OP. at least, that's what i'm reading.

That's what the OP is telling us, the other guy isn't going to say that.
 

CycloWizard

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You failed to yield. You will be found at fault and probably issued a citation.

In non-legal terms, you should have put your turn signal on and made eye contact with him until he waved you out. Forcing yourself into traffic when you don't have the right-of-way is a terrible idea and is a huge cause of slow-downs. You bluffed and the guy called it.
 

Farang

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Sounds up in the air then. Damage was to his front, my corner. Not sure what WA state law is. ElFenix explained it exactly.

Either way I'm waxing my skis and updating my resume today
 

dougp

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The difference is your smaller and faster than the cars.. and therefore aren't causing the same backups as a soccer mom trying to force her 800000 lb Escalade into the line on the onramp.
because she was too fucking lazy to get in with the rest of the people a half mile back.
I ride bikes too and there is a large difference here even though 99% of the time I will not lane split either as it is HIGHLY ILLEGAL here. and cops will hit you with a multitude of tickets if they catch you doing it.

Bullshit, because I've watched it happen too much ... happens mostly on on-ramps, but let me give you an example.

You know 59-South, where Chimney Rock intersects? The on-ramp is RIGHT after the light, requiring you to be in the lane at the light to get on the highway.

The lanes look like this:
Code:
| L |HoL| S |SoR|
| E |WrE| T |TrI|
| F |Y F| R |R G|
| T |  T| A |A H|
|   |   | I |I T|
|   |   | G |G	|
|   |   | H |H	|
|   |   | T |T	|
|   |   |   |	|

Problem is, they think they can be in the straight only lane and then merge at the last possible moment for the entrance, which is about 100 feet after the light. FUCK THAT. I've made people miss the entrance ramp because of the lines behind me unless I know they made a right off of Chimney Rock.
 

Duder1no

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Sounds up in the air then. Damage was to his front, my corner.

now I'm confused

we need some sort of diagram of exactly how your cars/bumpers location with regards to the street layout at the moment of impact
 

Farang

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now I'm confused

we need some sort of diagram of exactly how your cars/bumpers location with regards to the street layout at the moment of impact

I'll quote ElFenix:

OP did a bad job explaining what happened, i think. from reading the thread: he was squeezing into a traffic lane from a driveway. traffic was stopped. other guy decided to be an ahole and ran into him. that's inexcusable on the other guy's part regardless of how much of a jackass the OP was. OP may still be at fault for not waiting until someone waived him in.

So I was stopped at an angle since there wasn't enough room for me to have pulled forward and been completely straight. He pulled forward in slow stops and starts, hitting my front driver's side corner with his front.

FWIW I read what he wrote down for his version of events and he did not do a good job of spinning it. He is claiming both cars hit eachother, I'm claiming he hit me while stopped.
 

jtvang125

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and Impatient fuckwads like the OP are the same type of asshats that don't want to merge early and wait in the line for the onramp either.. they are the types that wait to the last second and then push thier way into the front of the line and by doing so cause the slowdowns that you are complaining about.

I don't have many pet peaves that flat out enrage me.. but this is one of them..

On my drive home from work there's a section of the freeway that has an off-ramp and on-ramp that shares the same exit. Assholes will take the exit, pass as many cars as they can on the straight and merge back in. Right at the merge point, a freeway interchange merges in and has an exit lane about 1/2 mile long. The elitist of the assholes will take the first exit lane, ride the shoulder and not even merge, and cut across to get into the second exit lane. They'll ride it all the way to the end and then merge at the last second.
 

ElFenix

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Bullshit, because I've watched it happen too much ... happens mostly on on-ramps, but let me give you an example.

You know 59-South, where Chimney Rock intersects? The on-ramp is RIGHT after the light, requiring you to be in the lane at the light to get on the highway.

The lanes look like this:
Code:
| L |HoL| S |SoR|
| E |WrE| T |TrI|
| F |Y F| R |R G|
| T |  T| A |A H|
|   |   | I |I T|
|   |   | G |G	|
|   |   | H |H	|
|   |   | T |T	|
|   |   |   |	|

Problem is, they think they can be in the straight only lane and then merge at the last possible moment for the entrance, which is about 100 feet after the light. FUCK THAT. I've made people miss the entrance ramp because of the lines behind me unless I know they made a right off of Chimney Rock.

i think the ramp from fountain view is the same way.
 

Blackjack200

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lol @ the replies to this thread. OP did nothing wrong.

CVSiN: I also hate the line cutters, and I also hug bumpers to prevent them from getting in, but that's not what happened here. When you are pulling out of a parking lot/driveway onto a street with a traffic light, and the light is red, establishing a spot by nosing out is completely legit. You have no way of getting to the back of the line unless you drive against traffic on the sidewalk or something.
 

Paladin3

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The way to get out of this would have been to explain to the officer at the scene that you pushed your way into a small opening and the driver behind you was pissed, so, in a totally separate move, after you had already established yourself in the lane, he tried to squeeze by you and hit your car as you were standing still.

Maybe your merge into his lane was a bit aggressive, but it's how you have to drive in such traffic to be able to merge at all. Tell them that you saw what, by city driving standards, was a huge hole, a veritable open invitation to merge, and you took it. The guy, who obviously has a small dick, hit you as retaliation for your merge because he obviously doesn't understand how to give and take lane position in heavy traffic. He got emotional over it and caused the damage.

That's how I would plead the case.

(And tell them she said she was 18, too.)
 

timosyy

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Going to have to side with the OP here. I know what kind of manuever he's talking about, and I see (and do) it all the time. Basically he pulled into the lane from a perpendicular driveway (so the front of his car was in the lane, signaling intention to merge once the light turned green).

Then, WHILE OP WAS STOPPED, the car he had pulled in front of decided to accelerate and bump into him. There's no excuse for just intentionally ramming your car into someone else's.
 

Whisper

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lol @ the replies to this thread. OP did nothing wrong.

CVSiN: I also hate the line cutters, and I also hug bumpers to prevent them from getting in, but that's not what happened here. When you are pulling out of a parking lot/driveway onto a street with a traffic light, and the light is red, establishing a spot by nosing out is completely legit. You have no way of getting to the back of the line unless you drive against traffic on the sidewalk or something.

I agree. I HATE late-mergers, but I also hate people who feel they're too important or in too much of a hurry (hint: neither is ever correct) to let someone in who is making a right turn out of a parking lot.
 

Mike Gayner

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The OP is a massive dick for the way he drives, but the other guy is at fault. Having right-of-way doesn't entitle you to negligently (deliberately?) cause an accident.
 

CVSiN

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Bullshit, because I've watched it happen too much ... happens mostly on on-ramps, but let me give you an example.

You know 59-South, where Chimney Rock intersects? The on-ramp is RIGHT after the light, requiring you to be in the lane at the light to get on the highway.

The lanes look like this:
Code:
| L |HoL| S |SoR|
| E |WrE| T |TrI|
| F |Y F| R |R G|
| T |  T| A |A H|
|   |   | I |I T|
|   |   | G |G	|
|   |   | H |H	|
|   |   | T |T	|
|   |   |   |	|

Problem is, they think they can be in the straight only lane and then merge at the last possible moment for the entrance, which is about 100 feet after the light. FUCK THAT. I've made people miss the entrance ramp because of the lines behind me unless I know they made a right off of Chimney Rock.

EXACTLY Doug!
I know exactly that merge!
AND YES IT PISSES ME OFF! They do the same at HWY 6 to I-10 Merge (headed east) and cause HUGE backups in the morning.

as for the lane splitting on bikes.. you are right it happens alot.. but the cops (if they can catch the bike in question) will toss every moving violation they think will stick.
including up to reckless, illegal lane change, speed too fast for conditions etc.

learned the hard way on that one. was lanesplitting during dead stopped rush hour up on 6 headed to 10 and split right past an unmarked "ghost cruiser" ( the newer chargers with no markings at all) oh man was he pissed. tried to write me everything under the sky.. luckily my roommate is HPD and called him and called in a favor for me..
 
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pcgeek11

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Lane splitting in stopped traffic is crazy. What would you do if some douche opened his door to look up the road ....

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Bam!
 

LTC8K6

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A yield sign for you means you must yield to traffic that's already in the lane.

If there is no room for you, then yield = stop.

Having said that, if you managed to get your nose out there in the line, they can't just drive into you.

Also, if the traffic is very slow, and you aren't being a jackass, I'll let you in.
 
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