Car audio basics

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Oalex

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ON A SIDE NOTE: I would like to point out a fact that I never thought of when I built my system, but which is a serious issue (in a mid-high end system), although most people tend to ignore it until they experience it them selves.
When I built my system, I did similar researches as you and thought I knew it all (from al the info that I got from others), but no body mentioned one thing:
I spent almost $3,000.- on my car audio, which you would consider as a respectable amount for a serious car system. Mostly top of the line stuff: Sub: Cervin-Wega (800W RMS) I believe is one of the best choices. Speakers: Polkaudio (also very good, their lowest graded / cheapest speakers cost almost $300 a pair, I repeat that the lowest end that they have.) Head: Kenwood 9080 (their top of the line for the year 2000), If I had to do it again I'd go for Alpine cause the Kenwood is generally good, but lack a bit of kick over ~10KHz. The Amps: Kenwood: one monorual (real kick a$$: 600W RMS) and a 4*channel amp for the speakers.
Also, don't forget about the condenser (which at this level is, I believe important)

So...Excellent system...good installation....what could go wrong....
POWER SUPPLY! Yes power supply. I own an Opel Calibra. This has an Alt that produces 120Amps (max) (a Subaru has 100Amps (max) I think). The biggest battery I could install in my coupe was a 75 Amp cell.
Bottom line my system to run at its highest possible (about 1500Watts) would need about 157~200amps to run smoothly.
Never thought this could be a bottleneck.
Results: system sounds good at mid range, but the max is not perfect, due to insufficient power. Had to replace my rather expensive Cell twice in 6 months (because the system burnt them out) same goes for the voltage regulator and diodes (also not the cheapest parts of the car). The generator also gave-in once. Also if I listen to music with the engine turned-off for over 3 mins then the battery is dead and wound not start the car.

Solutions: After further research I realized the following: For my system to work correctly I would need (1) a customized Alt (with 200Amp rating) ~$600. (2)about 3 or 4 low internal resistance (Optima) Cells that are specially designed for car audio, which can deliver high current at sudden intervals which the regular cells are not really able to provide smoothly (due to their high internal resistance). So I would be looking at an extra $1200 for my system to be optimized.

This was just some food for thought. Keep it in mind. My suggestion is to keep the whole system below 800W RMS then you'll probably not have many problems. But if you budget is over $5000 then go for a real kick-a$$ system with a custom amp and extra cells.
 

Oalex

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Another Side Note

Just curious, what are you going to do with your (to be) Subaru, you are 16, so you can't drive it?: (or I'm wrong about Californian Law
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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re: all of the above

it may very well be untrue, but that's what I've "heard". I currently have a 12w3 right now, and it's "alright", I just want better, so why not experiment with some 10's? Nobody around this area has any 10's, so I can't exactly do a listening experiment
 

MichaelD

Lifer
Jan 16, 2001
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I have a JL 12W3-D2 in a 1.25cf (net) sealed, stuffed box, running at 4-ohms off a Kenwood PS-300T (300W RMS) The sub is cut off at 70Hz/24db/oct. It pounds pretty hard indeed! And it's in a large vehicle, a Isuzu Trooper. I know that sub can take more juice, though. I'll bet it could swallow 500 watts w/o a problem.

In the future, I'll be getting another 12W3 and a 1Kw amp. That oughtta do it.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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re^^

well I'm putting in 400 to mine, and my friend's Perfect12 with only 300 watts completely blew mine out of the water
 

MichaelD

Lifer
Jan 16, 2001
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*Not sure* But possibly the Infinity Perfect has a higher sensitivity? What size box is it in? Is it stuffed? I built my box like a damn vault.

3/4" MDF
Elmer's Professional Strength Wood Glue (tons of it dripping down the sides...wiped off, of course!)
Shot 1.5" nails in every 1.5 inches (nail gun)
Two layers of silicone on the seams (24 hours drying time b/t layers)
Sub is BOLTED in using T-nuts and cinched down TIGHT.

I dare say my sub box is airtight. I just need some more juice....
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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the sensitivy on the perfect is WAAAAAAAAAAAY higher than the 12w3


whatever no worries, my 2 md10's will blow the hell outta anything






i hope.....lol
 

abc

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hey spendthrift, i bet you can get your hands on all kinds of car audio in Japan
 

giambi77

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I recently found a decent deal on a pair of: MTX Thunder8000 T8124A (12", 4ohm, 400rms) subs, for around #375 with a sealed dual-box. Is this a decent deal? Would the JBL BP1200.1 Amp ($285) work well with powering both of them? It is supposedly rated at 1200W @ 2ohm, which should work fine if I ran the two subs in parallel.

Now, Oalex raises an interesting point - would I be able to power them? I'm guessing I wouldn't turn the speakers up more then half way most the time, if that makes any difference.

One last thing - I think I've got a new head unit narrowed down to either a Alpine, Panasonic, or a Pioneer (although open to other brands). The head unit is the only component that I haven't given all that much thought to.....can anyone point me in the right direction? I would want a HU with a decent amount of abilities, but nothing top-of-the-line'ish.

Sorry for asking even more questions! Thanks to everyone who has responded so far!
-Jeff
 
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