Car that runs on Water!!!

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
the fact that they were unable to do so, and the fact that this is such an old article makes me think it was a scam. welcome to the world of logical deduction, don't be frightened, you'll get used to thinknig things through

If you were capable of logical deduction you wouldn't have even made this post in the first place because you would have realized it was a scam the moment they started talking about "brown gas" and the fact that the whole process violates the laws of conservation of energy. But feel free to try to insult me again, your ignorance and stupidy is proudly on display throughout this thread, just do the world a favor and get that sharpie.

 

[luigi1]

In other news a battery has been developed that runs on human pee. Beer drinkers become productive citizans. Experts say we wont reap the benifits untill high power feeds are droped to your local bar and grill. Film at 11.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24/News/0,7427,1369-1372_1605834,00.html


how long until this disappears from the media??

You do realize that The Lone Gunmen was fiction, right?

 

[Hacp]

Dammit, I thought they invented some new tires that allowed cars to go 100 MPH on the ocean.......

 

[imported_Condor]

Sounds like the car they used to take to county fairs that could run without oil after just one treatment of the miracle lube. I hope this is real, but won't hold my breath. Sounds possible. DeBeers?

 

[The Scientist]

Originally posted by: Condor
Sounds like the car they used to take to county fairs that could run without oil after just one treatment of the miracle lube. I hope this is real, but won't hold my breath. Sounds possible. DeBeers?

This is such a thing as what they used, PTFE in oil didn't really do anything when the layer of oil ran out, this won't work because it uses more energy than it produces.

The eternal moving machine is the only solution and it cannot exist following the laws of nature.

This is not what we think, this is what we know.

 

[OS]

Conservation of energy says this is a f*cken scam. If they required more science in public education this wouldn't have even made news.

De Beer said the main problems to date had been that it took more energy to produce the gas than could be got out of it.

"In the beginning we had the same problem," he said.

"Then we got to where we are now, where we get a lot more out than we put in.

They probably perverted their measurements somewhere down the line.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
this isn't a hydrogen cell, this is pure water that propels the car using something called brown's gas

Same concept. Electricity turns water into components. Components combine back into water and release some energy. Note that the article here never states what powers the electricity.

No. Cells work completely differently from internal combustion.

 

[The Scientist]

Originally posted by: OS
Conservation of energy says this is a f*cken scam. If they required more science in public education this wouldn't have even made news.

De Beer said the main problems to date had been that it took more energy to produce the gas than could be got out of it.

"In the beginning we had the same problem," he said.

"Then we got to where we are now, where we get a lot more out than we put in.

They probably perverted their measurements somewhere down the line.

Well, i can see the tech working with a cell technology to provide the electricity, however, that cell technology would be of better use on it's own.

Whan we need is a technology to sustain the power within the fuel cells at the peak energy level for a longer period of time,

Thiere are ways to sove this, i am sure there are, it is not my field in the least but i have the outmost assurance that this is a solvablae problmen.

This will, in he end require an ouside source of power or a sorage unite that isn't prone to explosions.

A fuel cell, or rather a collection of cells could blow up pthe neighbourhood.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The thermodynamics doesn't work. This is rebadged perpetual motion.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: The Scientist
Well, i can see the tech working with a cell technology to provide the electricity, however, that cell technology would be of better use on it's own.

Whan we need is a technology to sustain the power within the fuel cells at the peak energy level for a longer period of time,

Thiere are ways to sove this, i am sure there are, it is not my field in the least but i have the outmost assurance that this is a solvablae problmen.

This will, in he end require an ouside source of power or a sorage unite that isn't prone to explosions.

A fuel cell, or rather a collection of cells could blow up pthe neighbourhood.

Of course fuel cells will work, because the hydrogen is split out from water or natural gas at a fixed plant, which is then pumped into a car. I'm not even sure free hydrogen exists in any significant form on this planet.

The whole premise behind hydrogen powered cars is that you obtain chemical energy from burning hydrogen, combine it with oxygen, to produce heat/energy and water vapor. There isn't any magic extra energy in these chemical bonds, you broke them to begin with to create potential energy, so that you can recombine them later at a more necessary time.

Electrolysis of water is a slow process, doing onboard a car is retarded as f*ck, every step you add to a process is wasted energy, you might as well just run electric motors straight off the car batteries.

 

[Vicken]

Well I can't believe I am posting here but I am for the first time. Please don't kill me.
However, I did find the topic interesting. I believe no matter what you do, you will use more energy to get a lesser amount of the gas.

This article discusses the possible uses of browns gas including as fuel for a car.

http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm

Summarized

"The bottom line is that we have put in about a kilowatt of electrical energy to get out under a third as much in mechanical energy. Considering that the efficiency of an electric motor would be over 85% there is no justification at all for using a Brown's Gas generator and an internal combustion engine. An electric motor would do better at less cost and with far greater reliability."


Well what about using the gas as a full cell.

The (fuel cell) cylinder is a poor storage device since, for all its size and weight, it contains about as much energy as two pints of gasoline.

 

[Kalvin00]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My car runs on water every time I hydroplane.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
the fact that they were unable to do so, and the fact that this is such an old article makes me think it was a scam. welcome to the world of logical deduction, don't be frightened, you'll get used to thinknig things through

If you were capable of logical deduction you wouldn't have even made this post in the first place because you would have realized it was a scam the moment they started talking about "brown gas" and the fact that the whole process violates the laws of conservation of energy. But feel free to try to insult me again, your ignorance and stupidy is proudly on display throughout this thread, just do the world a favor and get that sharpie.

this never violated the laws of conservation because they weren't talking about an infinite supply of energy e.g. the perpetual machine. this was supposed ot be an efficient way of deriving energy from water thereby providing an alternative to fossil fuels!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
the fact that they were unable to do so, and the fact that this is such an old article makes me think it was a scam. welcome to the world of logical deduction, don't be frightened, you'll get used to thinknig things through

If you were capable of logical deduction you wouldn't have even made this post in the first place because you would have realized it was a scam the moment they started talking about "brown gas" and the fact that the whole process violates the laws of conservation of energy. But feel free to try to insult me again, your ignorance and stupidy is proudly on display throughout this thread, just do the world a favor and get that sharpie.

this never violated the laws of conservation because they weren't talking about an infinite supply of energy e.g. the perpetual machine. this was supposed ot be an efficient way of deriving energy from water thereby providing an alternative to fossil fuels!

It is though.

Think about it. It takes water and electricity and produces gas which then makes enough power to run a car, but can make the electricity to make the gas which runs the car... It never runs out, and the end product is what you start with, water.

You could then take this water, and the electricity you just made to make more power etc. This can be a completely closed system that makes power forever, and in excess. That's perpetual motion.

 

[KidViciou$]

but he's talking about it being used in conjunction with petrol engine, so isn't the petrol producing the energy for the hydrogen extraction? after re-reading the article a second time, there isn't enough information. and i have already apologized for not seeing the date of the article and giving the story credibility for which it probably didn't deserve. i haven't been sleeping too much recently cuz of traveling and physics work. i'm taking a final today, won't sleep tonight so i'm running on 4 hours sleep for the past 2 days, and i travel to atlanta after the final

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
but he's talking about it being used in conjunction with petrol engine, so isn't the petrol producing the energy for the hydrogen extraction? after re-reading the article a second time, there isn't enough information. and i have already apologized for not seeing the date of the article and giving the story credibility for which it probably didn't deserve. i haven't been sleeping too much recently cuz of traveling and physics work. i'm taking a final today, won't sleep tonight so i'm running on 4 hours sleep for the past 2 days, and i travel to atlanta after the final

There is no petrol use. The claim to have modified a petrol engine to use brown's gas instead. Modifying an engine to use a gas (such an cng or propane) is perfectly feasable. What is not is getting enough energy out to break apart the water to drive the process (back to the perpetual motion issue....)

 

[KidViciou$]

right, i got cha now, i understand what they are doing and see the perpetual motion argument

how about harvesting the heat that is output by vehicles? is there any way of feasibly doing that?

 

[dorsey]

Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang

Originally posted by: K1052
The oil companies have also mastered cold fusion but are holding it back until all fossil fuels reserves have been depleted.

lol oil companies have mastered fusion? something that has eluded scientists for decades? yeah sure...the first fusion reactor is about to go online in france and it is a test reactor. Why? because they havent' figured out how to keep a fusion reaction going. THEY DONT KNOW HOW, not even the OIL companies.

the day fusion is mastered someone sure as hell needs to let me know. maybe if the oil companies team up with the tobacco companies there is hope for us all...........

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: The Scientist
Well, i can see the tech working with a cell technology to provide the electricity, however, that cell technology would be of better use on it's own.

Whan we need is a technology to sustain the power within the fuel cells at the peak energy level for a longer period of time,

Thiere are ways to sove this, i am sure there are, it is not my field in the least but i have the outmost assurance that this is a solvablae problmen.

This will, in he end require an ouside source of power or a sorage unite that isn't prone to explosions.

A fuel cell, or rather a collection of cells could blow up pthe neighbourhood.

Of course fuel cells will work, because the hydrogen is split out from water or natural gas at a fixed plant, which is then pumped into a car. I'm not even sure free hydrogen exists in any significant form on this planet.

The whole premise behind hydrogen powered cars is that you obtain chemical energy from burning hydrogen, combine it with oxygen, to produce heat/energy and water vapor. There isn't any magic extra energy in these chemical bonds, you broke them to begin with to create potential energy, so that you can recombine them later at a more necessary time.

Electrolysis of water is a slow process, doing onboard a car is retarded as f*ck, every step you add to a process is wasted energy, you might as well just run electric motors straight off the car batteries.

You explained my point further for those completly ignorant (the scinetist=klixxer, i got my old pw and username cleared with the mods)

 

[KidViciou$]

a humorously relevant question in my physics book:

"An investor looking for financial support comes to you with an idea for a gasoline engine that runs on a novel type of thermodynamic cycle. His design is made entirely of copper and is air-cooled. He claims that the engine will be 85% efficient. Should you invest in this marvelous new engine?"

 

[RabidMongoose]

I've noticed a good number of Canadians on these forums putting up crazy conspiracy theories and hilarious invention news stories.

 

[KidViciou$]

i'm not canadian

 

[RichPLS]

Will you then help me get back by $30,000 investment?

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: RichPLS
Will you then help me get back by $30,000 investment?

you should have studied the carnot cycle!