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ronopp

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OK I looked at a PII 940 and a GTX465 and another 4 gig of memory.........I am guessing this will hold me for a while and only cost about 5 bills with win7 upgrade. should this get me another couple of years, gamming wise? then do a complete system at that time?
 

Arkaign

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OK I looked at a PII 940 and a GTX465 and another 4 gig of memory.........I am guessing this will hold me for a while and only cost about 5 bills with win7 upgrade. should this get me another couple of years, gamming wise? then do a complete system at that time?

I think that combo should be solid for gaming for the next 24 months, although its possible that extreme high settings at very high resolutions could start to tax it a bit in the future. At 1920x1080 or 1680x1050, you should be able to run basically all settings at or near max with very smooth results.

Also, GTX460 is a much more sensible card imho than a GTX465. Performance is basically identical while the 460 is cooler/quieter and draws less power (easier on the PSU).

Full details here :

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/800329-gtx460-1gb-vs-gtx465-review.html

"Both the GTX460 and GTX465 present an amazing value in the DirectX 11 performance segment. The price of the GTX465 have plummeted, making them very compelling. Which one is best for you depends on your needs. If you're space-limited, power-limited, concerned with power consumption, heat output, or noise levels, the GTX460 1GB is definitely the graphics card for you. If you are not interested in overclocking, it will perform better than the GTX465 out of the box too. It is also a blast to overclock as well."

More savings!
 

Ruger22C

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Check out the 470.

I disagree that you'll be able to run near-max even now and have it smooth, let alone 24 months from now.

Metro 2033, for example. 460 1gB OC'd can't even get near max without major frame drop.
 

Ruger22C

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Yes.. That's the recommended physx card for mafia 2 I was told. You'll need a good PSU though.
 

Arkaign

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Check out the 470.

I disagree that you'll be able to run near-max even now and have it smooth, let alone 24 months from now.

Metro 2033, for example. 460 1gB OC'd can't even get near max without major frame drop.

With AA or without? At very high resolutions (1920x1080 and above), I consider AA to be a little bit of an added extra in games that can run it, and don't worry about it too much if it cant.

Comparing the 460 to 470 in this benchmark suite didn't show a lot of difference :

http://www.techspot.com/review/299-palit-inno3d-geforce-gtx-460/page10.html

Example 21fps vs 19fps in Metro 2033 for 470 vs 460.

Disabling AA and AF entirely usually helps those situations work out, and imho looks better than lowering resolutions drastically until framerates become manageable. As you can see, even GTX480 in SLI only marginally gets smooth framerates in that game with 34fps minimums at 1680x1050.

Metro 2033 is kind of a freak for now though, hopefully other games don't follow suit too quickly into those kinds of requirements, as even nearly $1k worth of GPU power barely cuts it for max detail. GTX460 1GB is good enough for almost anything at max or nearly max details, and can still run Metro 2033 with very good settings so long as you give up a couple of things that usually don't reflect too largely and scale from VERY high to HIGH.
 

ronopp

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sorry I keep asking questions but....... do I really need another 4 gig of ram?
Do not want to spend if not needed
 
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Bill Brasky

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anything to keep the thread going...LMAO

The 460 gtx is a great graphics card, and you would no doubt be happy with your purchase. I would *seriously* recommend waiting a couple of months to buy a gpu. AMD will release their new line of graphics cards in time for the holidays, which will push down prices of the existing market. Either way, you'll save money, get a faster card, or possibly both.

Then again, I understand the upgrade bug can be hard to fight.
 

Ruger22C

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The 460 gtx is a great graphics card, and you would no doubt be happy with your purchase. I would *seriously* recommend waiting a couple of months to buy a gpu. AMD will release their new line of graphics cards in time for the holidays, which will push down prices of the existing market. Either way, you'll save money, get a faster card, or possibly both.

Then again, I understand the upgrade bug can be hard to fight.

To each their own, I wouldn't.
The 260, as I remember, was never really lower than 150-170. You can get a 460 for that much right now.
 

Davidh373

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I would not recommend PhysX. The power draw isn't worth the performance return IMO. If I were to get a PhysX card, I would get a 240 or even maybe a 220 so the power draw isn't so extreme. I know you already have the 260, so it's up to you.

You don't need 8GB ram if all you're doing is gaming.

EDIT: I would never get the 465. The 460 actually does better in certain titles. I always recommend against the 465s and 5830s. They consume almost the same power as a 470 for the same performance as the 460, for $30-$40 more than a 460, or $20-$30 less than a 470. If you want to play above 720p, I'd recommend a 470. If you're gaming at or below, get a 460 1GB.
 
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toyota

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I would not recommend PhysX. The power draw isn't worth the performance return IMO. If I were to get a PhysX card, I would get a 240 or even maybe a 220 so the power draw isn't so extreme. I know you already have the 260, so it's up to you.

You don't need 8GB ram if all you're doing is gaming.

EDIT: I would never get the 465. The 460 actually does better in certain titles. I always recommend against the 465s and 5830s. They consume almost the same power as a 470 for the same performance as the 460, for $30-$40 more than a 460, or $20-$30 less than a 470. If you want to play above 720p, I'd recommend a 470. If you're gaming at or below, get a 460 1GB.
in your case a gt220 could end up being slower for physx then letting your gtx470 handle both physx the graphics.
 

Davidh373

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Yeah, I'm not getting PhysX, I'm just saying... If I were in his shoes. I don't really go for gimmicks, I go for basic performance.
 

crisium

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Get the 940 CPU now - that's obvious.

But I suggest this, and I think it's the most sound option when you think it out:

Keep the GTX 260 for now.

Then go about playing games as normal. When you feel that you need a bigger GPU boost THEN upgrade the GPU. Newegg is fast. At the worst, you'll have to play your game on a bit lower settings for a few days while waiting for UPS. At best, you'll be able to get a better graphics card for the money in the future.

The 940 will give your system new life. You should be able to hang with a GTX 260 for sometime longer.
 

Davidh373

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Get the 940 CPU now - that's obvious.

But I suggest this, and I think it's the most sound option when you think it out:

Keep the GTX 260 for now.

Then go about playing games as normal. When you feel that you need a bigger GPU boost THEN upgrade the GPU. Newegg is fast. At the worst, you'll have to play your game on a bit lower settings for a few days while waiting for UPS. At best, you'll be able to get a better graphics card for the money in the future.

The 940 will give your system new life. You should be able to hang with a GTX 260 for sometime longer.

If you are going with the 940 I agree with this. You can probably hold onto that card until NVidia's new options are coming. Once, Newegg actually got a delivery to me at 6pm the next day on standard shipping.
 

cusideabelincoln

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Get the 940 CPU now - that's obvious.

But I suggest this, and I think it's the most sound option when you think it out:

Keep the GTX 260 for now.

Then go about playing games as normal. When you feel that you need a bigger GPU boost THEN upgrade the GPU. Newegg is fast. At the worst, you'll have to play your game on a bit lower settings for a few days while waiting for UPS. At best, you'll be able to get a better graphics card for the money in the future.

The 940 will give your system new life. You should be able to hang with a GTX 260 for sometime longer.

This is the best advice.

See how the GTX 260 performs with your 940 before purchasing a new GPU.
 

Ruger22C

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"I would not recommend PhysX. The power draw isn't worth the performance return IMO. If I were to get a PhysX card, I would get a 240 or even maybe a 220 so the power draw isn't so extreme. I know you already have the 260, so it's up to you."

Ewww.

It'll actually decrease your frame rate in some games. You should have an 8800/9800/250 minimum. Terrible suggestion! Electricity savings over frame rates? Why, go integrated then! And don't do any gaming, and never run prime or folding etc.
 

Davidh373

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"I would not recommend PhysX. The power draw isn't worth the performance return IMO. If I were to get a PhysX card, I would get a 240 or even maybe a 220 so the power draw isn't so extreme. I know you already have the 260, so it's up to you."

Ewww.

It'll actually decrease your frame rate in some games. You should have an 8800/9800/250 minimum. Terrible suggestion! Electricity savings over frame rates? Why, go integrated then! And don't do any gaming, and never run prime or folding etc.

Thanks... I guess... PhysX is not my expertise, saving money where ridiculous cost is present. $150 to get a few extra FPS? bleh...
 

ronopp

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Ordering the 940....will update after i play a few days on my 260 I really appreciate the help and Ideas guys!! still have some money to spend though.....LOL
 
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