Carmakers Agree to Make Automatic Braking Standard Without a Rule

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bruceb

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You do not have computers helping in racing cars of any type. It all comes down to driver skill.
 

Ns1

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You do not have computers helping in racing cars of any type. It all comes down to driver skill.

yes but race drivers aren't putting on their makeup while eating an egg mcmuffin at 9am, with their 2 kids in the back causing a ruckus the whole way.

I would assume that Danica Patrick while racing does not look anything like this.

 

freeskier93

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You do not have computers helping in racing cars of any type. It all comes down to driver skill.

Not even close. NASCAR is pretty much the only auto racing with zero direct computer aides. Hell, at one point F1 was allowing traction control.

I don't drive my vehicle on the road to prove anything to anyone. Why can't I have both skill in driving AND computer aides to further help me? All it does is ever decrease my chances of something going wrong.
 

bruceb

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The functions on an F1 steering wheel, except for the Paddle Shifter, have nothing to do with how the handles or performs. There is no real driver control of engine parameter, except how rich to make the engine. There are no anti lock brakes, no adaptive suspension, no anti skid or traction control. Handling all of that 800 + HP is up to the driver.
 

SparkyJJO

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The only problem I foresee is some manufacturer decides to put the cheapest POS auto braking system that pennies can buy in place. It predictably does not function even remotely like it should. With some Fed rules on the books the potential owners and victims might have a chance against the army of corporate lawyers.

This may not be an altruistic move on the auto makers part but an effort to get ahead of the requirements. Then they can cry collectively and lobby against more stringent protections claiming they already addressed the issue.

Color me skeptical and pessimistic but the level of corporate greed at the cost of peoples lives seems to be at an all time high. Giving the fed regulators bigger sticks and corruption protection might not be a bad idea.

/rant off/

I trust the government even less.
 

Howard

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The functions on an F1 steering wheel, except for the Paddle Shifter, have nothing to do with how the handles or performs. There is no real driver control of engine parameter, except how rich to make the engine. There are no anti lock brakes, no adaptive suspension, no anti skid or traction control. Handling all of that 800 + HP is up to the driver.
That explains launch control.
 
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Wonder if I could carry a piece of plywood in front of a car and then rob the driver without him being able to get away...
 

ultimatebob

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How well do these systems work on rocky dirt roads, in deep snow (can I not plow through a snow bank?), with large pot holes, parallel parking in tight spots, etc.? Color me skeptical of automatic braking.

I'd imagine that you would have to turn it off before you could plow snow. I hope that it has an OFF switch, like traction control has on most cars!
 

pcgeek11

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Not a big fan... I'd rather decide on my own when to apply the brakes. I am spoiled as I have been braking without a computer for 47 years...
 

yh125d

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I have a bad feeling this will give people (morons) more license to tailgate.


I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine these systems would only work for things you're approaching quickly, and wouldn't necessarily make it impossible to tailgate.

Also, I hope they're tuned to not jump in each time I slow down to a red light, since I usually stop pretty close to the car in front (to clear access to turn lanes). Slowly enough though that any of these systems "shouldn't" step in, but might depending on how they're tuned.
 

slashbinslashbash

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Get with the program, folks. As much as I enjoy driving and working on cars, the future is autonomous automobiles that drive on their own so that the passengers can do other things while being transported. And I, for one, am looking forward to it. I commute between 1.5 and 2 hours daily, at a minimum. That's time when I could be reading or otherwise being productive. And to visit my family for holidays, I have a 9 hour drive (one-way) on the highway. Being able to sleep, read, watch TV, or do something else instead of being in direct manual control of a machine for 18 hours is incredibly appealing.

Yes you will still be able to drive a car if you choose to do so for enjoyment, just as people are still able to ride horses for enjoyment if they choose to do so. But riding a horse is not a daily necessity like it was for people 150 years ago. And everybody's lives are better for it, aside from the Luddites.
 

A5

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I have a bad feeling this will give people (morons) more license to tailgate.


I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine these systems would only work for things you're approaching quickly, and wouldn't necessarily make it impossible to tailgate.

Also, I hope they're tuned to not jump in each time I slow down to a red light, since I usually stop pretty close to the car in front (to clear access to turn lanes). Slowly enough though that any of these systems "shouldn't" step in, but might depending on how they're tuned.

The computer steps in when it thinks you are going to hit something, usually after giving you a few seconds of warning to apply the brakes yourself.

I think most current implementations will not step in unless you are going above a certain speed, so creeping forward at a signal or parallel parking does not trigger it.
 

Vdubchaos

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Give it 5-10 injuries and lawsuits before this technology goes away (hopefully).

Personally, I love driving and want no one OR NOTHING to do it for me/assist me.
 

jlee

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Give it 5-10 injuries and lawsuits before this technology goes away (hopefully).

Personally, I love driving and want no one OR NOTHING to do it for me/assist me.

I do not understand this mindset at all. If you're ever in a position where collision avoidance braking intervenes, you've already screwed up.
 

Vdubchaos

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I do not understand this mindset at all. If you're ever in a position where collision avoidance braking intervenes, you've already screwed up.

You are assuming technology is perfect, and it's not.

What if it breaks for no reason at all? Say a bird flies out in front or something and the car behind you hits you?

NEVER assume ANYTHING is perfect. Perfection doesn't exist.
 

jlee

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You are assuming technology is perfect, and it's not.

What if it breaks for no reason at all? Say a bird flies out in front or something and the car behind you hits you?

NEVER assume ANYTHING is perfect. Perfection doesn't exist.

You do realize that these systems have been on the road for for ten years, right? Their track record thus far is a lot better than an average driver.
 

drnickriviera

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What if it breaks for no reason at all? Say a bird flies out in front or something and the car behind you hits you?
The car behind you will have automatic braking, so it will stop too

You do realize that these systems have been on the road for for ten years, right? Their track record thus far is a lot better than an average driver.

Some people will never be happy. They gotta have some 'Back in my day' stories for the grandkids. Back in my day we had to use BOTH feet to control our vehicles. Fuel Injection! pfft, I had to sync my quad SUs every week. We didn't need no computer to control fuel, we did that with our right foot!

I really questioned whether or not to get eyesight for our outback, but we plan on keeping this car for 20 yrs and we will be getting up there in age by then. I know my brain wont be a quick as it is now and it could very well save my life one day.

I didn't think the auto braking worked at low speeds either until yesterday. I usually time opening the garage door so that I clear it as it is opening. Usually eyesight will just give me an 'Obstacle Detected' warning, but I guess yesterday i was a bit closer and it engaged braking.

If the auto makers add adaptive cruise with the auto braking, I think it will be even safer. I don't believe my outback allows me to set the follow distance closer than 2 seconds. The adaptive cruise slowly slows down when I come up on someone. Lots of times I don't even notice i'm going slower than set speed. Once you know you don't have to do a thing, just follow the car in front of you and let the left lane hogs pass. Once it is clear, signal over and it goes back to set speed. No need to touch the pedals or any cruise control buttons at all. Makes a much more relaxing driving experience.
 

jlee

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The car behind you will have automatic braking, so it will stop too



Some people will never be happy. They gotta have some 'Back in my day' stories for the grandkids. Back in my day we had to use BOTH feet to control our vehicles. Fuel Injection! pfft, I had to sync my quad SUs every week. We didn't need no computer to control fuel, we did that with our right foot!

I really questioned whether or not to get eyesight for our outback, but we plan on keeping this car for 20 yrs and we will be getting up there in age by then. I know my brain wont be a quick as it is now and it could very well save my life one day.

I didn't think the auto braking worked at low speeds either until yesterday. I usually time opening the garage door so that I clear it as it is opening. Usually eyesight will just give me an 'Obstacle Detected' warning, but I guess yesterday i was a bit closer and it engaged braking.

If the auto makers add adaptive cruise with the auto braking, I think it will be even safer. I don't believe my outback allows me to set the follow distance closer than 2 seconds. The adaptive cruise slowly slows down when I come up on someone. Lots of times I don't even notice i'm going slower than set speed. Once you know you don't have to do a thing, just follow the car in front of you and let the left lane hogs pass. Once it is clear, signal over and it goes back to set speed. No need to touch the pedals or any cruise control buttons at all. Makes a much more relaxing driving experience.

Adaptive cruise is glorious...
 

Midwayman

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If the auto makers add adaptive cruise with the auto braking, I think it will be even safer. I don't believe my outback allows me to set the follow distance closer than 2 seconds. The adaptive cruise slowly slows down when I come up on someone. Lots of times I don't even notice i'm going slower than set speed. Once you know you don't have to do a thing, just follow the car in front of you and let the left lane hogs pass. Once it is clear, signal over and it goes back to set speed. No need to touch the pedals or any cruise control buttons at all. Makes a much more relaxing driving experience.

My latest car came with auto lights that auto high beam and rain sensing wipers. Both of which were new to me. Tons of little things you get used to managing, but its nice when those things just work. Wish I had the adaptive cruise. Sounds glorious. I like my CC system. Its the best manual one I've used, but not even needing to fiddle with it would be great. Bring on the auto braking. It would have saved my ass a couple times. Rear ended someone once when they slammed on the brakes just as I went to check my blind spot for a lane change. Auto braking would have stopped.
 

Denly

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I rather they spend R and D to rework the headlight system, I always drive normal height sedan/HB/Wagon and got laser beamed everyday by stupid SUV/truck with HID projectors(OEM), and not just from the rear mirror from the side mirror as well. That distraction me more than anything else. Those new F150 headlight are almost at my roof line, wth.
 
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