Carmelo Anthony just as, or maybe even more clutch than jordan???

[Hammerhead]

Too bad that talent didn't show during the last Olympics

 

[CPA]

Melo is a Bball God, that's really all you need to know.

But, Horry? give me a break, it's only because he's done it few times on national TV. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the same breath as Melo's clutchiness.

Jordan? Please Jordan's bulls were not great the first 3 years, so they probably had just as many close games as the Nugs.

The stats don't lie people, Melo is the most clutch player in the NBA right now and last night he proved it again. OT, Melo scores with 4 seconds left with a off-balance, double-teamed jumpshot. With time running out, Koby, with a similar jumpshot, missed horribly.

 

[Legendary]

When Carmelo drops down Finals games/series winning shots on a consistent basis, then you can tell me he's more clutch than Jordan.
Also, what was Jordan's percentage on game-winning shots? That's the only comparison that you can make, not how many times it's happened. When the Bulls with Jordan were running at 100%, game-winning shots weren't necessary.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
He's 10 of 15 in his career for gamewinning or tieing shots in the final ten seconds.

And he has 8 career game winners...just three less than what jordan had in his 15 seasons.

Given the bulls would more often than not have the game wrapped up, but still carmelo is pretty awesome in the clutch...kinda like the opposite of lebron.

Until Carmelo does it to win a 7 game series in game 7 or even better to win the championship - I think we need to temper the comparisons to Jordan. At this point in Carmelo's career - I would still rather have Jordan as my goto guy.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: CPA
But, Horry? give me a break, it's only because he's done it few times on national TV.

You're kidding right?

He spent his first four NBA seasons with the Rockets, helping them win the NBA Championship in 1994 and 1995, and setting an individual NBA Finals record with five 3-pointers in a quarter.

Over the Lakers' 3 year run, Horry made a game-clinching 3-pointer in at least 1 game in 4 straight playoff series

In Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals against the Detroit Pistons, Horry came alive in the fourth quarter to boost San Antonio to a win and 3-2 series lead over Detroit. After not scoring at all until a last-second three in the third quarter, he capped a stunning 21-point performance by making another shot that confirmed his legacy.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Kev
Wow, a 15 shot attempt sample size. Give him the clutch trophy already :roll:

Agreed, sample size is pretty small... But if you look at that list, it's mostly superstars anyway. I would purport that on any given day any of those superstars could hit or miss a shot given the sample size. 2 years ago it could have been A.I. or Francis, and Carmelo has gotten more chances in the past 2 years. It's pretty random IMO.

yah, the article even says that none of the samples approach statistical signifigance

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CPA
But, Horry? give me a break, it's only because he's done it few times on national TV.

You're kidding right?

He spent his first four NBA seasons with the Rockets, helping them win the NBA Championship in 1994 and 1995, and setting an individual NBA Finals record with five 3-pointers in a quarter.

Over the Lakers' 3 year run, Horry made a game-clinching 3-pointer in at least 1 game in 4 straight playoff series

In Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals against the Detroit Pistons, Horry came alive in the fourth quarter to boost San Antonio to a win and 3-2 series lead over Detroit. After not scoring at all until a last-second three in the third quarter, he capped a stunning 21-point performance by making another shot that confirmed his legacy.

Only one of those facts had anything to do with my comment, and it actually supported my comment.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: CPA
But, Horry? give me a break, it's only because he's done it few times on national TV.

You're kidding right?

He spent his first four NBA seasons with the Rockets, helping them win the NBA Championship in 1994 and 1995, and setting an individual NBA Finals record with five 3-pointers in a quarter.

Over the Lakers' 3 year run, Horry made a game-clinching 3-pointer in at least 1 game in 4 straight playoff series

In Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Finals against the Detroit Pistons, Horry came alive in the fourth quarter to boost San Antonio to a win and 3-2 series lead over Detroit. After not scoring at all until a last-second three in the third quarter, he capped a stunning 21-point performance by making another shot that confirmed his legacy.

Only one of those facts had anything to do with my comment, and it actually supported my comment.

You just don't get it. This guy will probably get into the hall of fame on clutch shots alone since his stats are so medicore.

 

[NeoV]

wow...just wow

There isn't one GM in the NBA, past or present, who would pick "Melo" over LeBron James....period. Add D.Wade to that list as well..you can keep telling yourself he's in their class...but he isn't really even close.

As far as Melo being "more clutch than Jordan?", it's the single most ignorant thing I've ever seen in discussing NBA basketball.

Melo is a basketball god? Spare me that garbage. He's a solid player, I'll give you that, but lets not get carried away, I don't think he'll ever be a first team all-NBA player.

Who is the idiot that said Horry isn't clutch? You don't get a nickname like "big shot bob" if you aren't clutch.

The bottom line is that no one really cares about game winning shots during the regular season against average teams. Hit some big shots in the playoffs, and you define a legacy and a reputation as a clutch player. I'm not ripping on his stats for hitting some nice shots, but the reality is they don't mean a whole lot.

 

[Wooglin]

This thread is about a decade pre-mature.

Being clutch is extremely subjective to begin with, but I would hope most agree that it matters most in the playoffs. Miller and Horry are remembered as being clutch since they did it on the playoffs. Jordan also has proved this time and time again.

Do Jordan's passes to Paxson and Kerr count as clutch since he was double-teamed and did not force a low % shot? I would hope so. He made the correct decision and executed properly in a high-pressure moment in the playoffs.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: NeoV
wow...just wow

There isn't one GM in the NBA, past or present, who would pick "Melo" over LeBron James....period. Add D.Wade to that list as well..you can keep telling yourself he's in their class...but he isn't really even close.

As far as Melo being "more clutch than Jordan?", it's the single most ignorant thing I've ever seen in discussing NBA basketball.

Melo is a basketball god? Spare me that garbage. He's a solid player, I'll give you that, but lets not get carried away, I don't think he'll ever be a first team all-NBA player.

Who is the idiot that said Horry isn't clutch? You don't get a nickname like "big shot bob" if you aren't clutch.

The bottom line is that no one really cares about game winning shots during the regular season against average teams. Hit some big shots in the playoffs, and you define a legacy and a reputation as a clutch player. I'm not ripping on his stats for hitting some nice shots, but the reality is they don't mean a whole lot.

QFT. Melo is good but I don't think he's at the level of LeBron, even if he makes some game winners. Anyone who thinks that they would take Melo over any of the players I list below is insane. All of these guys have demonstrated clutch play when it counts, in the playoffs. And they've done it consistently. Melo has consistently sucked in the playoffs, call it the Cliff Robinson syndrome if you will. He also totally disappears for entire games and chokes on important plays (even if not game winning plays) when he's having an off day. None of the guys below get affected by off days. Jordan? You are literally in need of psychiatric evaluation if you think Melo is on the same plan of existence as Jordan. Sorry, no. No way, not ever, absolutely not.

Better active clutch players:
Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Baron Davis
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Chauncy Billups

Forget about field goal percentage. Just watch how these guys perform in tight situations. Remember that game when Kobe scored 80? Well he did so because the game was not going how he wanted and he decided to step it up to elevate his team's play. Remember the finals against detroit? You remember that year, the one where detroit outplayed the lakers in all 5 games, but kobe made several clutch shots, including a game winner, and so detroit lost 1 game (of 5).

Dwayne Wade has made at least 2 playoff game winning field goals I can think of, and has made many other impressive shots in the clutch. Same for Baron Daivs and Ray Allen.

Paul Pierce has for a long time been known as a 4th quarter superstar. I remember one year they compared him to the league leading scorer, Iverson I assume, and he had about 3 times as many points in the 4th quarter as iverson.

Billups only recent became great in the clutch, but boy is he a dagger in opponents' chests. He's an MVP candidate for a reason.

No way I would ever even THINK of giving melo the ball over any of these guys, ever. Even if they were in a wheelchair.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

who the fvck is arguing that melo is better than lebron? He's not, but he definetly performs better in close games than lebron does. And melo hasnt even played in the league for 3 full years so its ridiculous to compare him to jordan, but by seeing what he's doing here...it shows you that he could do some amazing stuff. Jesus christ, people are so fvcking narrowminded.


and as for the idiots saying its 'only' 15 shots...how often does this situation come up...that you're down 1 to 3 points, with the possesion of the ball and less than 10 secs on the clock.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
who the fvck is arguing that melo is better than lebron? He's not, but he definetly performs better in close games than lebron does. And melo hasnt even played in the league for 3 full years so its ridiculous to compare him to jordan, but by seeing what he's doing here...it shows you that he could do some amazing stuff. Jesus christ, people are so fvcking narrowminded.


and as for the idiots saying its 'only' 15 shots...how often does this situation come up...that you're down 1 to 3 points, with the possesion of the ball and less than 10 secs on the clock.

Pretty darn often for the nuggets, IMO.

I don't know where you get the idea that lebron is bad in the clutch. He seems ok to me, not great or anything. He is also 99.9% of the focus of the defense, whereas melo is more like 60% or so.

From what I've seen of melo, I don't understand where one would get the idea that some amazing stuff is coming up in his career at all. It just means that he won't be the new generation of patrick "choker" ewing. I don't recall him ever doing anything like what tracy mcgrady did to the spurs last year.

Not saying he isn't a good clutch player, just that I don't think he's demonstrated it when it counts yet. If he can do it in a couple of playoff games, then it is impressive. The playoffs are at a different level entirely. Good players can become weak players in the playoffs. Until melo proves himself under such pressure, I am not impressed. Sacramento for a few years had a terrific record in the regular season, but almost everyone on the team choked in the playoffs, so therefore they were not that impressive.

 

[Wooglin]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
And melo hasnt even played in the league for 3 full years so its ridiculous to compare him to jordan...

Get a clue and re-read your thread title and first post.

/end thread

 

[joeryu]

Originally posted by: CPA
Melo is a Bball God, that's really all you need to know.

But, Horry? give me a break, it's only because he's done it few times on national TV. Otherwise, we wouldn't be in the same breath as Melo's clutchiness.

Jordan? Please Jordan's bulls were not great the first 3 years, so they probably had just as many close games as the Nugs.

The stats don't lie people, Melo is the most clutch player in the NBA right now and last night he proved it again. OT, Melo scores with 4 seconds left with a off-balance, double-teamed jumpshot. With time running out, Koby, with a similar jumpshot, missed horribly.

it was luke walton that missed the last shot, not kobe.

 

[cHeeZeFacTory]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: magicfame
robert horry

winnar

i've been a laker fan for 15+ years, Robert Horry is a CLUTCH PLAYER. He hits very timely shots, in the regular season AND the playoffs when he was a Laker. I'm have no idea how's he doing in SA, but as a Laker Robert Horry was a great player in clutch situations.

He hits shots on national TV because many players don't even want to take the shot in those situations. Look at Duncan, he's a nervous reck in big games. Horry have had not only hit clutch baskets, but huge 4th quarters. He's done it numerous times for 3 different teams, it's no coincedence. If you think he's only done it a few times, watch more games.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: cHeeZeFacTory
i've been a laker fan for 15+ years, Robert Horry is a CLUTCH PLAYER. He hits very timely shots, in the regular season AND the playoffs when he was a Laker. I'm have no idea how's he doing in SA, but as a Laker Robert Horry was a great player in clutch situations.

He hits shots on national TV because many players don't even want to take the shot in those situations. Look at Duncan, he's a nervous reck in big games. Horry have had not only hit clutch baskets, but huge 4th quarters. He's done it numerous times for 3 different teams, it's no coincedence. If you think he's only done it a few times, watch more games.

Duncan used to be a bit nervous, but since then he's done extremely well in clutch plays. I would actually want him as my power forward in a clutch situation over anyone else I can think of.

Agreed about horry, though.

Apparently I overlooked the post where someone compared one single game between the lakers and nuggets and concluded who was the better player based on that. Nevermind that Kobe made numerous clutch plays in the finals and conference finals in his career. The one game between melo and kobe where luke walton took the shot is all that matters. :roll:

 

[ironcrotch]

Until he's won as many championships please don't put them in the same categories.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
who the fvck is arguing that melo is better than lebron? He's not, but he definetly performs better in close games than lebron does. And melo hasnt even played in the league for 3 full years so its ridiculous to compare him to jordan, but by seeing what he's doing here...it shows you that he could do some amazing stuff. Jesus christ, people are so fvcking narrowminded.


and as for the idiots saying its 'only' 15 shots...how often does this situation come up...that you're down 1 to 3 points, with the possesion of the ball and less than 10 secs on the clock.

I bolded the part where you explain why this entire thread is worthless.

 

[BeauJangles]

Until he hits shots in meaningful games, it doesn't matter. It's much easier to score the winning basket in a regular-season game than it is to do in the NBA finals or the last game of a playoff series.

 

[Baked]

Too bad he doesn't have any rings like Jordan or Kobe. heh

 

[Azndude2190]

Walton did the right thing at the end.Kobe would not have made it since he was doubled at the 3pt line.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Baked
Too bad he doesn't have any rings like Jordan or Kobe. heh

What do you get for winning the NCAA championship?

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Baked
Too bad he doesn't have any rings like Jordan or Kobe. heh

What do you get for winning the NCAA championship?

Being one of the lottery picks.

 

[Schneider879]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: KMFJD
More clutch than Jordan? highly doubt it, how many championships has Anthony won now with his clutch shooting?

Winning championships has nothing to do with being a clutch player.

I think he is talking about some of the clutch shots jordan had in champsionship games.