carry concealed guns in Colorado without a permit passes house 40-25

[OutHouse]

awesome. i have a a CCW and paying the 152 bucks has always irked me.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/183700/339/Concealed-gun-carry-bill-advances-in-Colorado


DENVER - A law that would allow people to carry concealed guns in Colorado without a permit is advancing in the Legislature.

The Durango Herald reports that House Bill 1205 passed the Judiciary Committee this week on a vote of 8-3. It would allow people who can legally possess guns to carry them concealed.

Supporters and sponsors of the bill like Representative Chris Holbert (R-Parker), say the $152.50 application and background fee for a concealed weapon permit amount to a tax.

"I just think it's offensive that I would have to pass another background check and pay this $152.50 for such a minor distinction," Holbert said. "Again, I can carry open in public outside of home-rule cities, but I want to put my coat over my gun and carry in a more controlled and safe manner, then I have to pay what I call a coat tax."

Holbert is one of 39 people from the House and the Senate sponsoring the bill.

"I'm not getting rid of the permit process at all. There's a few good reasons that it should stay in place," Holbert said. "If you're not sure, like I am, you qualify, I would encourage anyone interested in conceal and carry to go get that permit and part of that process is to take a class."

Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police lobbyist Annmarie Jensen says police departments across the state oppose the measure, as well as The Colorado Coalition against Domestic Violence and The Colorado Cease Fire Capital Fund, two other groups Jensen represents.

"Twelve hundred people were denied a permit last year to carry concealed," Jensen said. "For those 1,200 applied for a permit thought they were eligible and were denied. Under this bill, they would just carry concealed. This is not the Wild Wild West.

Citizens in Colorado deserve to know that a person who has a hidden weapon doesn't have a felony, has not committed domestic violence, [and] has not been committed for mental illness."

Similar laws have been passed in Arizona and Alaska. Friday, the Wyoming Legislature gave final approval to it version of the law and sent it to Gov. Matt Mead, who hasn't said whether he will sign it into law.

The bill goes to the House Floor next. Holbert said a date for that has not yet been set.


*****UPDATE******

House passes bill, sends it to senate.

http://eastdenver.kdvr.com/news/col...owing-concealed-weapons-without-permits/53409

On Wednesday, the Colorado House has approved and sent to the Senate a bill that would allow people to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

The House voted 40-25 to pass the bill.

 

[irishScott]

Criminals are going to carry concealed regardless. I support this. :thumbsup:

 

[CallMeJoe]

A similar bill is in progress here in South Carolina. CCW will still be required to carry in those states that have a reiprocal license agreement with our state.

 

[xj0hnx]

I hope Texas follows suit.

 

[Zebo]

I've never understood having to get a permit for a constitutional right.

Like IrishScott says criminal will carry concealed anyway so how is issuing CCW's doing anything but infringing upon law abiding citizens rights? Not to mention it cost me $200 permit and a $60 class to exercise my right.

 

[xj0hnx]

I've never understood having to get a permit for a constitutional right.

Like IrishScott says criminal will carry concealed anyway so how is issuing CCW's doing anything but infringing upon law abiding citizens rights?

Anything the left can do to limit firearms they do, now it's a fight to get the rights that have been taken away back.

 

[Moonbeam]

Young Libyans are in the street directing traffic and a garbage company in rebel territory is picking up the trash.

 

[ayabe]

The "well criminals do it anyway" could be used to invalidate any law on the books and is pretty weak. Red lights? Don't need them because red light runners ignore them, same with murder and rape, doesn't stop anyone - right?

1200 dopes couldn't get approved - for one reason or another, I guess making them whole is the priority here.

 

[JD50]

The "well criminals do it anyway" could be used to invalidate any law on the books and is pretty weak. Red lights? Don't need them because red light runners ignore them, same with murder and rape, doesn't stop anyone - right?

1200 dopes couldn't get approved - for one reason or another, I guess making them whole is the priority here.

The difference being, running red lights, raping, and murdering aren't in the bill of rights.

 

[Zebo]

The "well criminals do it anyway" could be used to invalidate any law on the books and is pretty weak. Red lights? Don't need them because red light runners ignore them, same with murder and rape, doesn't stop anyone - right?

1200 dopes couldn't get approved - for one reason or another, I guess making them whole is the priority here.

Not really. All your examples involve violating others rights/liberty/life which why those laws are there so you don't violate them. Makes for happier society that your ox is not able to be gored at will by someone bigger stronger faster like animals. Gun laws OTOH take away rights and liberty not secure them.

 

[Jaskalas]

This sort of thing should be tied together with an easier method of filing a complaint against someone, some sort of process for identifying the crazies such as Jared Loughner. It would encourage people to point them out for evaluation.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Anything the left can do to limit firearms they do, now it's a fight to get the rights that have been taken away back.

I guess I'm no longer a "Lefty" since I strongly support Second Amendment rights...

...unless you can admit that not everyone fits your simplistic world view.

 

[BoberFett]

The difference being, running red lights, raping, and murdering aren't in the bill of rights.

Not to mention you can't buy a permit for them.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Plenty of people carry already without a permit, one of my relatives carries a .38 revolver in her purse. About 12% of this city has a CCW permit, likely many carry without a permit as well.

Although, I can see where one could forget about having it. I once tried to enter an FBI field office with my pepper-spray and knife. The guard was kind enough to let me bring it back to my car before proceeding, I could see where that would go much differently if it was a CCW without a permit.

 

[TheSlamma]

Not that I am against the bill but the guy they interviewed on 9news is hilarious. "Bad guys don't care about the law one way or another, even though we have laws in place they break them"

Yeah, people in Denver are getting gunned down all the time by guys just breaking the law for the sport, damn those "Bad Guys"! Guys like this must sit around daydreaming about stopping some armed robbery or some shit just so they can get a kill status.

 

[Unheard]

WTG Colorado. An armed society is a polite society.

 

[yllus]

What's the big deal about getting a permit, assuming that it's not hideously expensive and that it provides an opportunity for some firearm education? I'm hardly anti-gun (went shooting yesterday) but this seems over the top.

 

[Genx87]

The "well criminals do it anyway" could be used to invalidate any law on the books and is pretty weak. Red lights? Don't need them because red light runners ignore them, same with murder and rape, doesn't stop anyone - right?

1200 dopes couldn't get approved - for one reason or another, I guess making them whole is the priority here.

Your analogies suck. Raping, murdering, and running red lights are not constitutionally guranteed.

 

[OCGuy]

Your analogies suck. Raping, murdering, and running red lights are not constitutionally guranteed.

Yes but it adds legitimacy to the law in my sig.

 

[wuliheron]

Stop your whining, you're embarrassing the founding fathers. We had a young black man strap a gun to his hip and stand on the corner of a poor neighborhood. The cops arrested him and he successfully sued the city. Go ahead, wear your gun to work, strut around the neighborhood if it means that much to you.

Or do you really prefer just whining and voting a bunch of lawyers into office who would sell their soul to the highest bidder.

 

[JSt0rm]

Its all fine and dandy until people start shooting each other over all kinds of little things.

Scenario

Everyone has a gun.

Man A sees someone shooting someone from a building corner. He does his civic duty and puts this miscreant down (man B) with his own firearm. There by eliminating the threat to the local civilians.

Until it is revealed seconds later man B was defending himself from man C (who was getting dangerously close to man B's gas tank). Man D inside the gas station witnesses the entire thing and guns down man A -to defend the people.

We dont live in the wild west people.

 

[daishi5]

The "well criminals do it anyway" could be used to invalidate any law on the books and is pretty weak. Red lights? Don't need them because red light runners ignore them, same with murder and rape, doesn't stop anyone - right?

1200 dopes couldn't get approved - for one reason or another, I guess making them whole is the priority here.

We already have a couple states with CCW allowed without a permit, and neither of them have a problem with it. The best argument for this freedom is that allowing it causes no harm. It will take a few years to find out if Arizona has any crime problems, but so far there doesn't seem to be a problem there either. If making running a red light legal had absolutely no impact on the number of car accidents or their severity, I would say we should make it legal. Murder and Rape are illegal because the very act harms other people, it should be obvious how this is not a good comparison.

 

[Scotteq]

Or do you really prefer just whining and voting a bunch of lawyers into office who would sell their soul to the highest bidder.

not to rain on a good rant, but that already *is* the essence of our modern government.

 

[daishi5]

Its all fine and dandy until people start shooting each other over all kinds of little things.

Scenario

Everyone has a gun.

Man A sees someone shooting someone from a building corner. He does his civic duty and puts this miscreant down (man B) with his own firearm. There by eliminating the threat to the local civilians.

Until it is revealed seconds later man B was defending himself from man C (who was getting dangerously close to man B's gas tank). Man D inside the gas station witnesses the entire thing and guns down man A -to defend the people.

We dont live in the wild west people.

Can you explain why the states that already allow CCW without a permit don't have this happen? The brady campaign said the same thing with the first CCW, then they said it with florida's no retreat, and now it comes out again. Seriously, it gets old

"this law will cause wild west shootouts,"
nothing happens,
"this second law will cause wild west shootouts,"
nothing happens again,
"ok this third law will obviously cause wild west shootouts,"
still nothing,
"We pinky swear, this law that caused no problems in the other 3 states is going to cause wild west shootouts if you do the same thing those 3 other states did"

 

[JSt0rm]

I really dont have time to look into if that has happened already or not but there have been incidents of vigilante justice that were not correct usages of force. I remember a few posted to these very forums.