carry concealed guns in Colorado without a permit passes house 40-25

[xj0hnx]

Its all fine and dandy until people start shooting each other over all kinds of little things.

Scenario

Everyone has a gun.

Man A sees someone shooting someone from a building corner. He does his civic duty and puts this miscreant down (man B) with his own firearm. There by eliminating the threat to the local civilians.

Until it is revealed seconds later man B was defending himself from man C (who was getting dangerously close to man B's gas tank). Man D inside the gas station witnesses the entire thing and guns down man A -to defend the people.

We dont live in the wild west people.

Except your progressive wet dream of the wild west has never materialized. Time to come back to reality.

 

[sandorski]

Except your progressive wet dream of the wild west has never materialized. Time to come back to reality.

You're already living in the Wild West.

 

[xj0hnx]

You're already living in the Wild West.

Not even close, but funny enough, the places that are bad have the most stringent gun control. Progressives agenda to make the populous dependent on the state is a failure.

 

[irishScott]

You're already living in the Wild West.

In the liberal ghetto gun-less inner-cities, yeah you kinda are. Having lived and grown up in middle class suburbs I've never once been shot at or even threatened while inside said suburbs. Wild west my ass.

 

[wuliheron]

Here in Virginia its legal to carry concealed weapons and we have some of the most liberal gun laws in the Union. Mostly we sell them to Yankees who then take them back to the ghettos up north, file off the serial numbers, and sell them to criminals. We love gun laws! Just not in our state.

 

[boomerang]

Money should not be an obstacle to a basic right. I propose free handguns for every citizen.

That's old hat. Nowadays, we would require everyone to purchase a gun or else they'd have to pay a penalty, or is it a tax? Depends I think. Something to do with the commerce clause.

 

[Throckmorton]

So do you folks in favor of the new law want those 1200 people who were denied to be able to concealed carry?

 

[boomerang]

So do you folks in favor of the new law want those 1200 people who were denied to be able to concealed carry?

I don't. But you have to keep in mind now, that this thread got off track when the first anti-gun poster chimed in. It then turned into a free-for-all.

ayabe is the culprit. Moonbeam's post was first but it was from the far side of the moon and only little green men know the true meaning of what he was trying to say.

 

[irishScott]

So do you folks in favor of the new law want those 1200 people who were denied to be able to concealed carry?

Probably not all of them, I'd have to know individually why they were denied. Like I said though, any of them who really want to conceal carry are going to do so anyway.

 

[Jhhnn]

We already have a couple states with CCW allowed without a permit, and neither of them have a problem with it.

What states?

 

[feralkid]

What states?

AZ for one.

 

[OutHouse]

What's the big deal about getting a permit, assuming that it's not hideously expensive and that it provides an opportunity for some firearm education? I'm hardly anti-gun (went shooting yesterday) but this seems over the top.

the big deal is its prison time getting caught with a concealed weapon. Hence the CCW permit which cost money... having a weapons charge on your record is as bad as having a drug charge.

 

[irishScott]

AZ for one.

Alaska and Vermont as well.

 

[OutHouse]

So do you folks in favor of the new law want those 1200 people who were denied to be able to concealed carry?

depends on why they were denied. i bet most of there were denied because of a drug charge for getting caught with a joint 20+ years ago. also remember that its up to each counties sheriff on the approval. some sheriff's are liberal about it like mine and others are strict as hell like the Denver sheriff.

 

[OutHouse]

Right to bear arms isn't the same as right to carry a concealed weapon in public

i can strap on any hand gun i want to my hip and open carry down the street. but if i want to conceal it i need a permit. dont you see a problem with that?

 

[OutHouse]

:thumbsup:


Exactly. If you're going to take on the added responsibility of carrying, then I have no problem with a requirement that you complete a Relevant course and demonstrate basic knowledge of same.

i agree with this, just like a hunters safety class or prior military experience.

 

[Darwin333]

So do you folks in favor of the new law want those 1200 people who were denied to be able to concealed carry?

Not to mention it keeps poor people who can barely afford the gun from carrying since the fees for a CCP darn near double the cost. If they can't afford their rights, fuck em, right?

 

[spidey07]

Shall not be infringed. Remember firearm safety was once a learned skill and once common knowledge. When this knowledge is not practiced it is lost. You will see these kinds of laws passed across the states as it is the Will of The People to defends their rights with firearms.

FBHO

 

[daishi5]

The basis of this entire sub-forum is arguing semantics. hah. However I will concede this and expect none of the right winger here to use semantics in the future of these forums and I too will agree not to use them. However if this rule is broken by one of the right winger looney bins the deal is off the table.

No wonder the quality of posts are going down, the people who know a good argument are either leaving or sinking to the level of the right wing loonies.

So do you folks in favor of the new law want those 1200 people who were denied to be able to concealed carry?

They can already carry concealed, it just is not legal. Remember, we are not allowing or preventing people from carrying concealed, we are only deciding whether or not police officers should be looking for people who do it and if there are penalties for people who do it without getting a license from the government.

What states?

Someone else already listed the 3 states with permit-less carry, Arizona, Alaska, and Vermont, I don't consider Arizona to be an example yet, because its law is only a year old, so it is too early to say anything. Alaska is also a special case obviously, so if you want to know more about the crime rates, I would suggest you look at Vermont.

 

[Veliko]

Not even close, but funny enough, the places that are bad have the most stringent gun control. Progressives agenda to make the populous dependent on the state is a failure.

What 'places' are these? There are plenty of Westernised nations that have strict gun controls - Japan being the most strict - that are not 'bad'.

 

[spidey07]

What 'places' are these? There are plenty of Westernised nations that have strict gun controls - Japan being the most strict - that are not 'bad'.

CA, IL, NY, Washington DC just off the top of my head.

 

[Veliko]

CA, IL, NY, Washington DC just off the top of my head.

So in what way are those places 'bad' compared to the places with a more relaxed approach to gun possesion?

 

[Unheard]

So in what way are those places 'bad' compared to the places with a more relaxed approach to gun possesion?

Have you looked @ Chicago, LA, or NYC lately?

 

[Veliko]

Have you looked @ Chicago, LA, or NYC lately?

No. Have you looked at places like the UK, France, Germany and Japan lately?

 

[Unheard]

No. Have you looked at places like the UK, France, Germany and Japan lately?

I see a high rate of mugging by other weapons.