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Lifer
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Don't know where you live, but those numbers are nowhere near typical. Median US salary in 2010 was under $30,000. Note that is median, which is a far more useful statistic than average. Median household income was just under $50,000, which was a decrease from 2009, and a 7.1% decrease from the all time high set back in 1999. So the average US worker today is making 7% less than the average worker 13 years ago. That's pretty depressing when you consider cost of living has certainly not decreased during that period.

An assistant making nearly $50,000 should consider themselves very fortunate in this market when more Americans are living below the poverty line than ever before.

Pre-degree, I made $32/hour proctoring at a University computer lab and billed $75/hour for web development. I haven't made less than $32/hour. Ever. I was having a similar conversation with my wife tonight over dinner re: average incomes. How can people afford to live on minimum wage? $7.50 x 2080 = ~$15,000. I can't imagine.
 
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Eli

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Pre-degree, I made $32/hour proctoring at a University computer lab and billed $75/hour for web development. I haven't made less than $32/hour. Ever. I was having a similar conversation with my wife tonight over dinner re: average incomes. How can people afford to live on minimum wage? $7.50 x 2080 = ~$15,000. I can't imagine.

People live within their means. Simple as that.

It's not hard to live on 15k/year. It just sucks. lol
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Nobody expects you to drive a luxury class vehicle to your first job out of college, even if you are making just shy of $20/hr (that's what 40k/yr?) People will expect you to drive a Jetta, Corolla, Mazda 3, Focus, etc. Not everybody you work with spends their lunch break on ATG, most will think any new car is pretty nice rather it cost $15k or $40k, as long as you keep it clean and don't drive it like you stole it in the company parking lot.
Heh, got a few WTF looks when I showed up for my co-op with a Lincoln LS
 

Doppel

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Yeah, don't take anything I said in the wrong way. $40K is a fine starting salary, nothing to be ashamed of...you just should be buying a $25K car with it
Exactly. $40k out of school is a good bit more than I started with. It's not bad money to begin at all. It's just not enough to buy a $25k car responsibly, and OP is out of touch to think he needs a "professional look" car at this point.
 

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I'd buy a used Acura TSX (the model before they grew the beak) for 12-18k.

Also, for comparison, we hire our IT college hires in at $50k-55k a year, but they don't get Engineer in their title. :sneaky: Fortune 500 company, Cleveland Ohio.

Still 40k isn't bad to start out, and once you have a couple years experience, you can up that easily if you are willing to change companies.
 

Ferzerp

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An assistant making nearly $50,000 should consider themselves very fortunate in this market when more Americans are living below the poverty line than ever before.


It really depends. Assistants of C level executives are typically paid very, very well.
 

Vic Vega

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Pre-degree, I made $32/hour proctoring at a University computer lab and billed $75/hour for web development. I haven't made less than $32/hour. Ever. I was having a similar conversation with my wife tonight over dinner re: average incomes. How can people afford to live on minimum wage? $7.50 x 2080 = ~$15,000. I can't imagine.

I'm sure it's doable but I wouldn't want to try it.

My wife and I were both making 30K right out of high school and both got our first "real" jobs at age 20, I think we made 85K that year, can't recall exactly. My first real job paid $42K - thought I was rich. We lost my income in 2008 when I was laid off and my wife's hours were cut too. I think we only made 50K that year which was the lowest we had ever made. It sucked.
 
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yh125d

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I'm kinda like the OP I guess. Except I'm 21 with no college and should make $80k this year without a raise, 90-100k with the one I probably have coming my way. I drive an 06 Fusion SEL I paid off early, I'd recommend against dropping $25k on a depreciating G35 or something. I'm using my extra income to buy a house while they're cheap as shit, instead of wasting it on an overpriced lux car >.>


IMO you shouldn't spend over $15k as a young person doing well for yourself unless you're $100k+. Be frugal for a few years and build a big savings and buy a house. contribute a ton to your IRA, live cheap, don't be wasteful, and you can set up yourself so much better later in life. Note that I don't mean live in a shithole for 20 years so you can have a good retirement, just a decent living for 2-5 years can make a huge difference. $10k bought me a nice reliable car with nice options that I can happily drive for the next 3-6 years

I'm buying a nice 3/2 in a great suburb but it should still be paid for in 5-7 years. You should do the same, you won't likely have a better time to buy in our lifetime.
 

96Firebird

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I'm kinda like the OP I guess. Except I'm 21 with no college and should make $80k this year without a raise, 90-100k with the one I probably have coming my way. I drive an 06 Fusion SEL I paid off early, I'd recommend against dropping $25k on a depreciating G35 or something. I'm using my extra income to buy a house while they're cheap as shit, instead of wasting it on an overpriced lux car >.>


IMO you shouldn't spend over $15k as a young person doing well for yourself unless you're $100k+. Be frugal for a few years and build a big savings and buy a house. contribute a ton to your IRA, live cheap, don't be wasteful, and you can set up yourself so much better later in life. Note that I don't mean live in a shithole for 20 years so you can have a good retirement, just a decent living for 2-5 years can make a huge difference. $10k bought me a nice reliable car with nice options that I can happily drive for the next 3-6 years

I'm buying a nice 3/2 in a great suburb but it should still be paid for in 5-7 years. You should do the same, you won't likely have a better time to buy in our lifetime.

I think it really depends on the person. When I first got out of college and started my $50k/year job, I had the notion to save save save, pay down my student loans as quick as possible and save up for a house. Now that have worked for 9 months, I figure I should spend money on what interests me while I'm still young. I enjoy cars, so I'm willing to spend $12k on a Trans Am this spring. It may not be the most reliable car, or the best on gas, but I'll be able to continue my hobbies of going to car shows and to the track.

You're only young once, might as well live a little. Of course live responsibly, but if you die tomorrow, that $20k sitting in your bank account won't do you any good...
 
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Pre-degree, I made $32/hour proctoring at a University computer lab and billed $75/hour for web development. I haven't made less than $32/hour. Ever. I was having a similar conversation with my wife tonight over dinner re: average incomes. How can people afford to live on minimum wage? $7.50 x 2080 = ~$15,000. I can't imagine.

it's quite actually doable if you already own a car and have cheap insurance. It just sucks because you're not saving any money. I make much much more than that and live on about $15k.
 
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I'm buying a nice 3/2 in a great suburb but it should still be paid for in 5-7 years. You should do the same, you won't likely have a better time to buy in our lifetime.

lol I bet plenty of japanese told their kids that in 1993

though, at least you get a house out of it.
I still think the notion of committing to having a steady job and paying for 30 years to own a house is absolutely silly. So much can change in that time, look what happened to us...
 
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alkemyst

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it's quite actually doable if you already own a car and have cheap insurance. It just sucks because you're not saving any money. I make much much more than that and live on about $15k.

Who is paying for food, shelter and utilities?
 

the DRIZZLE

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lol I bet plenty of japanese told their kids that in 1993

though, at least you get a house out of it.
I still think the notion of committing to having a steady job and paying for 30 years to own a house is absolutely silly. So much can change in that time, look what happened to us...

To be fair the Japanese asset bubble was much worse than the housing bubble here. In 1990 the total value of real estate in Japan was something like double the value of all the land in the US.
 

Pia

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More fuel = more greenhouse gasses. So similarity fail.
Does the hybrid even win on greenhouse gasses after you consider how much extra energy and materials went into building its batteries and other tech, then recycling or safely disposing of all that afterwards?
 

heymrdj

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I think it really depends on the person. When I first got out of college and started my $50k/year job, I had the notion to save save save, pay down my student loans as quick as possible and save up for a house. Now that have worked for 9 months, I figure I should spend money on what interests me while I'm still young. I enjoy cars, so I'm willing to spend $12k on a Trans Am this spring. It may not be the most reliable car, or the best on gas, but I'll be able to continue my hobbies of going to car shows and to the track.

You're only young once, might as well live a little. Of course live responsibly, but if you die tomorrow, that $20k sitting in your bank account won't do you any good...

In today's volitile world that's probably a pretty good outlook to have this day in age.

Between me and my fiance our household income is 52k a year, and we use 26k for living expenses. The rest has been paying off loans which as I said earlier is almost done.

As for a house, I just don't see that in our future anytime soon. Would it be nice? Yeah. But I know I'm not going to live in Fort Wayne forever, and on top of that the job marked is still crap. I think one needs to be extermely flexible and ready to move in a month's notice. I may just be paranoid but I don't trust any job right now, period. It's just too dangerous to attempt. I can't imagine the people stuck in a 300k house worth 175k now, upside down in a mortgage, working at walmart because all their jobs in their field moved elsewhere. You can't move because you're under the house. That's just sickening.
 
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