Carson Briere, the wheelchair vandal

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You know in my youth if we saw a punk like this he'd end up with half his teeth missing. Miss the old days.
 
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skyking

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MS finally finally chained me to this chair in 2000. I used a cane earlier in my progression also.

We’ve had so many *non-accessible* incidents in our family outings I could write a book!

Daddy Briere would have to pony up a large pile of cash if his punkass kid managed to push me & this chair down those stairs. That’s AFTER I sued Sullivan’s!

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I've been along with my sister's husband's journey since 1975, when he was injured as a fire fighter. He has had to ask strangers to move his van out where he could get in, after some asshole double parked his ramp in, many times.
The airline lost his chair the last time they traveled.
I arranged for a van with a ramp on Hawaii, only to have the person in charge of it leave it in a huge lot with the key on the tire and then NOT tell us about it or answer the phone for a day after we got there.
I made a custom pool lift for him, and it is probably still available if you want it. It bolts down about 5' from the corner of the shallow end of an in-ground pool, and operates with water pressure from a garden hose.
 

mikeymikec

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I think it needs to be highlighted. It was an empty wheelchair, the disabled person was not in it at the time.

I do think it was shitty, and I think maybe a suspension from the team would be fine, but I also think we should show some restraint. They were at a bar/club/party and very possibly inebriated (not that that makes shitty behavior ok, but I mean look at the Hangover movies or the worship for old rock stars and their awful behavior, we absolutely, as a society celebrate drunken assholery), and they basically tapped it/pushed it a bit and it rolled and then flipped over going down the stairs. They didn't jump in it Jackass style or set out to see how much they can destroy it (I'm guessing they didn't realize how much it could damage it). He hasn't tried to excuse it (even by saying "it was dumb and I was drunk" or anything), even if he did seem to just offer a legalize "I'm sorry for my actions and those affected", but we've definitely seen a lot worse responses.

At that age (likely younger though) I would have had to be pissed out of my fucking nut to do something as stupid as that, and it would have been obvious from the video IMO. The way those two guys did it wasn't out of drunken amusement, it was like they were feeling indifferent about pushing some trash out of their way.
 
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iRONic

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I've been along with my sister's husband's journey since 1975, when he was injured as a fire fighter. He has had to ask strangers to move his van out where he could get in, after some asshole double parked his ramp in, many times.
The airline lost his chair the last time they traveled.
I arranged for a van with a ramp on Hawaii, only to have the person in charge of it leave it in a huge lot with the key on the tire and then NOT tell us about it or answer the phone for a day after we got there.
I made a custom pool lift for him, and it is probably still available if you want it. It bolts down about 5' from the corner of the shallow end of an in-ground pool, and operates with water pressure from a garden hose.
Ohman… All those and more, brother!!

I appreciate the pool lift offer but we put one in the summer after we moved in here. Use it at your new build.
 
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skyking

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I won't be putting in an in-ground pool it's not my thing. The new owners want it gone and it may already be gone. Last time I took a picture of it, the subject was the raptor on the fence. The cylinder is off for the winter season.
 
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skyking

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I also modded his lightweight chair so he could recline in it on trips, and get the pressure off his tailbone. I did not have the equipment to weld aluminum, so I made it out of light tubing and then drilled lightening holes in it.



It pinned and bolted on, and acted as a pushbar at a much more comfortable height as those low handles when he was tired and needed a boost, then you re-pinned it and it made a firm rest so he could sit back. I took a headrest assembly off a chair like yours, @iRONic and fitted it on so he was comfortable.







I built it while he waited on my recliner one Saturday.
 

allisolm

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What he did is destruction of property, possibly felony depending on the cost of repairs. I think he should have been arrested and charged TBH.

And your wish is their command...

"Briere was charged with criminal mischief, disorderly conduct and conspiracy to commit criminal mischief, and he is due in court in May."

Don't know if any of it is felony level, but all 3 charges are criminal.

Edit: looks like they are misdemeanors. A second-degree misdemeanor charge carries up to a two-year prison sentence and a fine of up to $5,000 if convicted,

 
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At that age (likely younger though) I would have had to be pissed out of my fucking nut to do something as stupid as that, and it would have been obvious from the video IMO. The way those two guys did it wasn't out of drunken amusement, it was like they were feeling indifferent about pushing some trash out of their way.

If you say so, I don't see anything in the video that allows me to ascribe much as far as inebriation (I'm basing that on the fact they're college kids at a bar and thus its pretty likely they were inebriated), or really intent even (though it does seem like they were fairly apathetic and thus why I said it didn't appear they were intentionally seeing how much they could destroy the wheelchair). But having spent time around drunken college students, stuff like this isn't that out of the ordinary (honestly its usually more of the worse, where they see how much they can destroy something). I'm not saying its ok, but behavior like this isn't just not that uncommon in that world, there's a fucked up semi-celebration of it (as evidenced by pop culture doing exactly that). I think it should be addressed because it is fucked up how accepted weird shitty behavior is. But then I've seen much older (and not drunk) adults push strollers down stairs similarly, out of just basically curiosity to see what happens, almost like they're treating it like a slinky or something. I don't think they understand the ramifications of such action. I think there's an assumption that it'll be fine. I think the lack of experience being around someone that has to use a wheelchair plays a major role in not understanding how significant what they did was, hence their weird apathy like they were just seeing what would happen.

Essentially I think there is a bigger issue here (the generally shitty behavior that is far too common around colleges/20 somethings) that won't be addressed by punishing this guy severely, and that this specific instance could be handled with having the kid understand how much he impacted that person with his frivolous behavior. I think you could help with the former some by leveraging this specific situation for awareness.
 
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mikeymikec

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If you say so, I don't see anything in the video that allows me to ascribe much as far as inebriation (I'm basing that on the fact they're college kids at a bar and thus its pretty likely they were inebriated), or really intent even (though it does seem like they were fairly apathetic and thus why I said it didn't appear they were intentionally seeing how much they could destroy the wheelchair). But having spent time around drunken college students, stuff like this isn't that out of the ordinary (honestly its usually more of the worse, where they see how much they can destroy something). I'm not saying its ok, but behavior like this isn't just not that uncommon in that world, there's a fucked up semi-celebration of it (as evidenced by pop culture doing exactly that). I think it should be addressed because it is fucked up how accepted weird shitty behavior is. But then I've seen much older (and not drunk) adults push strollers down stairs similarly, out of just basically curiosity to see what happens, almost like they're treating it like a slinky or something. I don't think they understand the ramifications of such action. I think there's an assumption that it'll be fine. I think the lack of experience being around someone that has to use a wheelchair plays a major role in not understanding how significant what they did was, hence their weird apathy like they were just seeing what would happen.

Essentially I think there is a bigger issue here (the generally shitty behavior that is far too common around colleges/20 somethings) that won't be addressed by punishing this guy severely, and that this specific instance could be handled with having the kid understand how much he impacted that person with his frivolous behavior. I think you could help with the former some by leveraging this specific situation for awareness.

Fair points. I'm not saying you've convinced me, but what you're saying is certainly possible. I can only speak from personal experience, and my personal experience these days does not involve a lot of 20-somethings. My wife works in wheelchair services, before that palliative care, plus my experiences with my parents' disabilities, so for me the notion of fucking up someone's wheelchair is just mind-boggling.

I think situations like this ought to draw some harsh judgement from society, people doing shit like this ought to be social lepers for a year or so only, unless they keep up the shitty behaviour.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Fair points. I'm not saying you've convinced me, but what you're saying is certainly possible. I can only speak from personal experience, and my personal experience these days does not involve a lot of 20-somethings. My wife works in wheelchair services, before that palliative care, plus my experiences with my parents' disabilities, so for me the notion of fucking up someone's wheelchair is just mind-boggling.

I think situations like this ought to draw some harsh judgement from society, people doing shit like this ought to be social lepers for a year or so only, unless they keep up the shitty behaviour.
A year or two community service at a hospice care facility will probably do 'em just fine.
 
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