Carson would use Dept of Education to censor US colleges.

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RampantAndroid

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My university sure did, and I got a great engineering education there.
But I guess you want government monitors sitting in classes and reporting to Dept of Education what is said and taught, and then the government applying financial pressure to those who say things it considers to be "extreme?"

One of the classes I took in college to meet my core requirements was US Government. An assignment was to pick something and argue for it. Then argue against it (or vise versa.) I chose affirmative action. I was warned by a Polit Sci major that choosing that with Professor McStinkyButt would result in a failing grade *for the semester*.

Yeah...not OK.
 

Double Trouble

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Having attended and graduated from two top flight universities, I've seen plenty of the bullshit that happens there and how heavily slanted to the left they are. I still don't want to see any government interference with their curriculum, the only thing worse than the descent into liberal madness happening on campuses all over the country is government interference with said craziness.
 

RampantAndroid

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Having attended and graduated from two top flight universities, I've seen plenty of the bullshit that happens there and how heavily slanted to the left they are. I still don't want to see any government interference with their curriculum, the only thing worse than the descent into liberal madness happening on campuses all over the country is government interference with said craziness.

I think there's room for some amount of regulation...but I doubt the gov't would do it. I'd LIKE to see the rule being that you're not there to teach your political views (which PLENTY of my teachers did) or even your religious views...you're there to teach a foundation upon which people can make educated decisions for what THEIR beliefs are. To me, that means not baptizing a kid until they're 16 or older....and not being allowed to teach or force kids to think a certain way. My family is exceptionally racist and to be honest, I was as a kid too. I've tried (I think successfully) to move past that, among many things...but it would have been so much better to not have my family teach me ways of saying the "n" word without actually saying it.
 

flexy

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They are "heavily slanted to the left", let me guess, because the entire society is (fortunately) slanting to the left & liberal side and the colleges reflect this.

There is no reason to fantasize about "regulations" (which indeed would be censorship)- if you're not ok with your children going to a liberal college I am sure there are enough Christian whatever schools in the US as well where you can send your children to.

You cannot "regulate" one particular view and ignore the other.

If you live in a society with free opinion and speech, then (I think) you would have to accept liberal lefty colleges AND the Catholic girl school around the corner, all of them at the same time.

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Edit: And while a funny headline, I think the subject deserves more seriousness than it might at first appear.
Carson is, 'scuse me, a nutter. A Creationist if not even a "Young Earth Creationist".

He's effing running for president and is talking about "monitoring" and cutting funding for "extreme political bias". Obviously, this is an expression that is as fuzzy and subjective as it can even get. What does he want? A totalitarian regime? Because this is exactly what it is when inconvenient/unwelcome opinions are suppressed. Just another nutter being true and confirming the "Conservative nut "stereotype.
 
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1prophet

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One of the classes I took in college to meet my core requirements was US Government. An assignment was to pick something and argue for it. Then argue against it (or vise versa.) I chose affirmative action. I was warned by a Polit Sci major that choosing that with Professor McStinkyButt would result in a failing grade *for the semester*.

Yeah...not OK.


Because a lot of so called liberals are liberals when you agree with them and authoritarian pricks if you have an opposing view by doing things like giving you a failing grade.

Bernie Sanders being able to speak at Liberty University is an example of how colleges should treat opposing ideas, not the BS we have at most so called liberal universities today.

Watch Bernie Sanders Speak on Morality and Justice at Liberty University

I spoke at Liberty University because I believe that it is important for those with different views in our country to engage in civil discourse – not just to shout at each other or make fun of each other.


It is very easy for those in politics to talk to those who agree with us – and I do that every day. It is harder, but not less important, to try and communicate with those who do not agree with us and see where, if possible, we can find common ground. In other words, to reach out of our zone of comfort.


The message I gave at Liberty University is that the moral choice is to fight income inequality, and that the just thing to do is to work to make our society more fair. I think it is important to share them with you here as well so that you can share with others how I approach these issues.
 
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fskimospy

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I think there's room for some amount of regulation...but I doubt the gov't would do it. I'd LIKE to see the rule being that you're not there to teach your political views (which PLENTY of my teachers did) or even your religious views...you're there to teach a foundation upon which people can make educated decisions for what THEIR beliefs are. To me, that means not baptizing a kid until they're 16 or older....and not being allowed to teach or force kids to think a certain way. My family is exceptionally racist and to be honest, I was as a kid too. I've tried (I think successfully) to move past that, among many things...but it would have been so much better to not have my family teach me ways of saying the "n" word without actually saying it.

How would that even work? People's perception of what is factual is heavily influenced by their politics. Hell, people still argue that evolution and climate science are attempts at liberal indoctrination.
 

dainthomas

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Can anyone even imagine the right wing freakout if Hillary said something like "I'm going to use the federal department of education to investigate colleges for political bias"? I think the internet would run out of Hitler pictures.

Since Carson is on their political sports team I imagine there will be barely a peep.

For real.
 

brycejones

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Well shit, and ol' Ben seemed like such a nice sane guy who always told the truth and was factually correct in his statements.

The more he opens his mouth the more it proves that being highly educated in a very specialized field really doesn't mean much outside of that field.
 

thraashman

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Well shit, and ol' Ben seemed like such a nice sane guy who always told the truth and was factually correct in his statements.

The more he opens his mouth the more it proves that being highly educated in a very specialized field really doesn't mean much outside of that field.

I am almost positive the man had a stroke within the last few years and is hiding it. His kinda weird speech pattern coupled with his constant stream of stupid shit he says makes me think traumatic brain injury is the best explanation.
 

Cozarkian

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Carson's proposed cure is worse than the disease. If the federal government is going to fund higher education, it has to trust the adult students will make informed decisions about which school to attend and that those attending highly political schools will have developed the skills to avoid being brainwashed.
 

dphantom

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Why not just shut down the Department of Education? By any standard it is an abject failure. Redirect the money to States in block grant for their use as they see fit in education.
 

Atreus21

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Just reading about the sort of issues that the Foundation for Individual Rights on Campus deals with indicates that what Carson prescribes is not a bad idea at all.
 

MagickMan

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It's about time the public took notice of the cultural Marxists taking over academia, but I don't believe I want the government to be the ones who try and fix the problem.

However, it is time to get more men back in college and restore free speech unilaterally. All the "safe zones", feminist and minority only rallies, and hypersensitivity to frank discussions, need to be addressed. It's college, not preschool.
 

CountZero

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Just reading about the sort of issues that the Foundation for Individual Rights on Campus deals with indicates that what Carson prescribes is not a bad idea at all.

It is a bad idea. Unless I'm mistaken "federal funding" would include FAFSA and all that entails. It would likely be trivially easy to find "bias" in any religious college, women's college, colleges that are minority based (I know there are black colleges, not sure if there are others), etc. Bias affecting grading is a bad thing, we have groups that can and do help with that (FIRE amongst them) but tying federal funding to some measure of neutrality is just bad policy.
 

Newell Steamer

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It's OK guys - he'll make sure conservatives are not harmed in his efforts.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...-speech-monitoring-would-only-target-liberals

Ben Carson repeated his plan to have the federal government monitor college campuses for “extreme bias,” explaining that he would have “very strict guidelines” that would ensure that his plan wouldn’t hurt conservatives.

Also, that some mighty Big Gubnament Carson is trying to whip out.
 
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senseamp

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One of the classes I took in college to meet my core requirements was US Government. An assignment was to pick something and argue for it. Then argue against it (or vise versa.) I chose affirmative action. I was warned by a Polit Sci major that choosing that with Professor McStinkyButt would result in a failing grade *for the semester*.

Yeah...not OK.

Would be much better if you were warned by the Department of Education.
 

senseamp

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Because a lot of so called liberals are liberals when you agree with them and authoritarian pricks if you have an opposing view by doing things like giving you a failing grade.

Bernie Sanders being able to speak at Liberty University is an example of how colleges should treat opposing ideas, not the BS we have at most so called liberal universities today.

So you are OK with the Department of Education deciding that what Liberty University teaches is extreme political bias?
 

LegendKiller

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Its pretty easy. Underwrite the loan to the degree. Shitty degree, shitty loans. Do it retroactively for each year completed in the better degree. If you switch degrees, loan rates go up. Complete your good paying degree, rate stays low. Additionally, colleges take the first 20% hit for any losses.

That'll sort out all of this BS in colleges pretty quickly. They will stop offering useless degrees quickly because not only will the borrowers not be able to afford them, but when they default the colleges will eat the cost.
 

RampantAndroid

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How would that even work? People's perception of what is factual is heavily influenced by their politics. Hell, people still argue that evolution and climate science are attempts at liberal indoctrination.

Yeah, I have no answer...I'm just saying that I think something *should* be done. Maybe something that allows students to report an issue for review? Maybe start having requirements on professors other than "have a PHD"? Forcibly remove tenure from all schools, while you're at it.
 

senseamp

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Same Republicans who are telling us money is speech want to suppress actual free speech. But not on their, side, they will have "very strict guidelines" to make sure it's only opposition speech that's suppressed.
 

Meghan54

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Now, the conservatives are dead set against Common Core (damned government's not gonna tell us what to teach our kids!) yet are for censoring college classes, examples of which given in this thread seem to be elective classes. Oh, the ironing.

Wake me up when these excessively liberal feminism classes become required classes for graduation. Haven't seen anything like that yet.
 

MagickMan

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Now, the conservatives are dead set against Common Core (damned government's not gonna tell us what to teach our kids!) yet are for censoring college classes, examples of which given in this thread seem to be elective classes. Oh, the ironing.

Wake me up when these excessively liberal feminism classes become required classes for graduation. Haven't seen anything like that yet.

Time to wake up! Get your ass out of bed!

http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ts-attend-compulsory-sexual-consent-workshops
http://www.worldmag.com/2015/10/cal...require_sexual_consent_lessons_in_high_school
http://studentaffairs.usc.edu/mandatory-online-courses-for-students/
http://sexualviolence.ucdavis.edu/education_training.html
and about 200 more unique Google hits with a single search: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mandatory+sexual+consent+courses

Yeah, because all men are just "rapists in waiting", right? What a load of horseshit.
 
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