"Cartridges" are back! -- the Next Nintendo system

[Stg-Flame]

Let's not pretend Nintendo isn't getting a cut. They're still making a lot of money off of Pokemon Go.

Source for this?

And I enjoy all the people making concrete decisions on a rumors. I remember when the prank render got posted, same thing.

Sounds pretty ironic if you don't have any information to back your claim that Nintendo is getting a cut from Niantec.

 

[Tweak155]

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Sounds pretty ironic if you don't have any information to back your claim that Nintendo is getting a cut from Niantec.

It's in the Wiki for Pokemon Go... it says it boils down to about 13% of revenue or something. However, Nintendo also stated it doesn't benefit directly, so it's not very clear.

They own about 30% of Niantec also according to the Wiki.

 

[cmdrdredd]

lol shows how little i know about pokemon go! i just assumed since they made pokemon.

carry on.

There's likely some Licensing deal because the game links to the Nintendo Pokemon Trainer's Club system for login and to keep track of the player's progress. Nintendo is probably making some money from it through the in-app purchases if someone uses that. Maybe not a lot but their stock did go up immediately following the release so that's something.

Lets face it, Niantic does not own the Pokemon name, character names, character designs, or anything related to Pokemon. Nintendo didn't give the rights away. It really doesn't take a genius to believe they are benefiting somehow.

 

[zerocool84]

Yes but Nintendo's shares went back down because they aren't actually making money off Pokémon Go.

 

[Stg-Flame]

It's in the Wiki for Pokemon Go... it says it boils down to about 13% of revenue or something. However, Nintendo also stated it doesn't benefit directly, so it's not very clear.

They own about 30% of Niantec also according to the Wiki.

Wikis can be edited by anyone so it's always a good idea to take that information with a grain of salt.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yes but Nintendo's shares went back down because they aren't actually making money off Pokémon Go.

So you believe niantic got the rights to names and character designs from Nintendo free of charge?

 

[darkswordsman17]

So you believe niantic got the rights to names and character designs from Nintendo free of charge?

No, but Nintendo only owns part of (32%) the Pokemon Company (that owns the rights to Pokemon) and invested money in Niantic. They are getting revenue but its not going to be all of it by any means.

Plus, the stock prices are based on potential, and we'll see if revenue actually holds up over time for Pokemon Go. It has potential to get crazy due to the potential for tie-ins with other companies, but given Nintendo's history of botching even their successes, Nintendo will likely find a way to screw things up.

 

[sweenish]

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Sounds pretty ironic if you don't have any information to back your claim that Nintendo is getting a cut from Niantec.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/160722e.pdf

Pokemon are licensed from the Pokemon Company. Nintendo OWNS the Pokemon Company (32% is a very powerful majority share). This isn't world shattering, just discovered information. Niantic would have to pay to license Pokemon, and given the nature of the game, it's not a far stretch to assume the payment largely takes the form of a cut of revenue.

Go to the official site of the game, scroll all the way down. Read the copyright information. What's that, Nintendo? Shocker.

I didn't realize we had to source so basic. Is that ironic?

 

[cmdrdredd]

No, but Nintendo only owns part of (32%) the Pokemon Company (that owns the rights to Pokemon) and invested money in Niantic. They are getting revenue but its not going to be all of it by any means.

Plus, the stock prices are based on potential, and we'll see if revenue actually holds up over time for Pokemon Go. It has potential to get crazy due to the potential for tie-ins with other companies, but given Nintendo's history of botching even their successes, Nintendo will likely find a way to screw things up.

Well, it may all be moot anyway as the backlash over the removal of pokemon scanners seems pretty severe. At least on the forums etc. So the player base may just drop so far down that it doesn't matter how much money they actually got from the game itself. It will be too insignificant.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Well, it may all be moot anyway as the backlash over the removal of pokemon scanners seems pretty severe. At least on the forums etc. So the player base may just drop so far down that it doesn't matter how much money they actually got from the game itself. It will be too insignificant.

Exactly, we'll see how the game holds up, and if they screw it up. Most mobile games have yet to show real legs. A lot of them make a big splash but then kinda tap out. And I haven't seen anything too major that sets it really apart (that won't be aped and likely improved upon), and Nintendo has openly said they're kinda in a see how things go phase (meaning they're not super keen on delving whole hog into mobile yet, and as we've seen Nintendo has a bad habit of letting things languish, squandering their success).

I think Pokemon Go shows other companies that have very popular IP how to leverage that, so we'll see a massive flood of augmented reality stuff tied to various IP (Disney will almost certainly, and tie-ins with stuff like Star Wars and Marvel are going to be huge as well), so competition is likely to ramp up majorly.

 

[Fulle]

Well, it may all be moot anyway as the backlash over the removal of pokemon scanners seems pretty severe. At least on the forums etc. So the player base may just drop so far down that it doesn't matter how much money they actually got from the game itself. It will be too insignificant.

The game's just a little too popular for it's own good. Tracking used to be more robust in the beta, showing how far a pokemon was from you in meters, but then by release we got this 3 step system, mainly to reduce load on the servers. With how many people came into the game, they've now had to strip the 3 steps, and get rid of sites like Pokevision, since people running so many scans to find pokemon, made it so others couldn't play the game at all.

Maybe the playerbase would have been more understanding, if Niantic explained their actions better. I think a lot of companies need to get their act together on communication, since in this age of Facebook and Twitter, you can very quickly lose out on an opportunity on how you want to frame information.

For a perfect example of this, the longer Nintendo waits to give official statements about the NX, the more risk they have that the internet might start having an unfavorable conversation about their product.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The game's just a little too popular for it's own good. Tracking used to be more robust in the beta, showing how far a pokemon was from you in meters, but then by release we got this 3 step system, mainly to reduce load on the servers. With how many people came into the game, they've now had to strip the 3 steps, and get rid of sites like Pokevision, since people running so many scans to find pokemon, made it so others couldn't play the game at all.

Maybe the playerbase would have been more understanding, if Niantic explained their actions better. I think a lot of companies need to get their act together on communication, since in this age of Facebook and Twitter, you can very quickly lose out on an opportunity on how you want to frame information.

For a perfect example of this, the longer Nintendo waits to give official statements about the NX, the more risk they have that the internet might start having an unfavorable conversation about their product.

Actually according to data miners and devs on reddit the server load was minimal and the tracking wasn't hindering their servers at all. They turned the footsteps off, essentially returning all results as 0 (3 steps). It wasn't even trying to report the right info. Not just that but the clients should be doing the reporting. It's simple. Server sends info to client about where pokemon are and the client uses an equation to report how many footsteps away it is. Mobile devices are more than capable of handling the math here. Ingress players say that everything they did to make the game more fun for them was removed or limited and when they asked for changes Niantic basically gave them the middle finger and did whatever they wanted. They know the game is worthless to people not smack in the middle of NYC or another large populated city but they don't care.

 

[Fulle]

Actually according to data miners and devs on reddit the server load was minimal and the tracking wasn't hindering their servers at all. They turned the footsteps off, essentially returning all results as 0 (3 steps). It wasn't even trying to report the right info. Not just that but the clients should be doing the reporting. It's simple. Server sends info to client about where pokemon are and the client uses an equation to report how many footsteps away it is. Mobile devices are more than capable of handling the math here. Ingress players say that everything they did to make the game more fun for them was removed or limited and when they asked for changes Niantic basically gave them the middle finger and did whatever they wanted. They know the game is worthless to people not smack in the middle of NYC or another large populated city but they don't care.

I honestly don't know any specifics on whether or not tracking or sites like Pokevision had an effect on server load or not, and I guess part of my point is that's a large problem. When you don't tell the players what your intentions are, they can only guess... and maybe they guess wrong. Control your own narrative, or others will do it for you!

Would you believe that Niantic is just now getting around to hiring a Pokemon Go Community Manager?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I honestly don't know any specifics on whether or not tracking or sites like Pokevision had an effect on server load or not, and I guess part of my point is that's a large problem. When you don't tell the players what your intentions are, they can only guess... and maybe they guess wrong. Control your own narrative, or others will do it for you!

Would you believe that Niantic is just now getting around to hiring a Pokemon Go Community Manager?

According to Ingress players, Niantic is one of the worst developers in terms of actually making things better for their players. I have no reason to doubt them now after this whole thing.

Anyway it doesn't matter that much in the end. What's done is done and I know in my circle of friends everyone just stopped playing completely.

 

[Fulle]

According to Ingress players, Niantic is one of the worst developers in terms of actually making things better for their players. I have no reason to doubt them now after this whole thing.

Anyway it doesn't matter that much in the end. What's done is done and I know in my circle of friends everyone just stopped playing completely.

My friends are getting there. They're still playing, but the XP softcap that occurs in the 20s, the increased pokemon flee rate, the broken tracking, and the shutdown of sites like Pokevision, have all added up to frustration and less enthusiasm about the game. Then the only endgame is GYM battles, where I was able to take out a decent GYM anchor with a single Raticate with HB.... so you start to realize that investing time into hunting down the best Pokemon is sort of a fool's errand.

We've all stopped spending money.