Casio Exilim Z850 Camera

[Merlyn3D]

I just got this thing for $300 brand spankin new and it's awesome, they finally put a bright nice LCD on there. I was kinda up in the air between this and the kodak v610, but after playing with the kodak, I thought there's a lot on it that needs to be fixed. This one's amazing though, MPEG4 VGA video at 30fps! Image quality's awesome too!

 

[axelfox]

There's a thread over on FW.

 

[mobobuff]

Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

 

[Merlyn3D]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes. Plus, I can record at least 4x more VGA 30fps video on this exilim than on the latest SD700. Not to mention picture quality is relatively the same, some instances favoring Canon, and others favoring Casio.

 

[arcenite]

I'm not sure I would ever buy anything made by casio except maybe a watch...

 

[yhelothar]

Prepare for the canon fanboys to come in full force to knock down anything that's not part of their blind, religious cult following.

 

[Merlyn3D]

Bleh...everyone loves canon because they're popular, 9/10 canon fans probably haven't even seen the casio let alone touch it. I used to be a canon fanboi, still like them, but there are better point and shoot cameras out there. Not saying canons are bad, but they're not the best either.

EDIT: how long have other cameras had an MPEG4 record function and canon STILL hasn't implemented this? Come on...everything's in MPEG4 these days.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

I absolute HATE the lens error message.

 

[LiquidImpulse]

Originally posted by: arcenite
I'm not sure I would ever buy anything made by casio except maybe a watch...

 

[Kyle]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Good to know...
I've been looking around at this type of camera- was thinking the Casio 850, canon 630 or 700is or possible the sony t30...still havent decided.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their fair share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

I know, but when you factor in that Canon sells more cameras than CASIO, the number of people experiencing a mechanical error like the E18 error is acceptable when compared to Canon customers never experiencing it. 50% of CASIO digital camera customers will probably experience the lens error at least once. I can guarantee that Canon's percentage isn't nearly that high. Also Canon has a better repair/return policy, and are probably easier to deal with (CASIO customer service is horrible).

CASIO actually began producing a PRO line of digital cameras (P500, P600, P700). We received very little calls on these cameras. The type of lens used with that series? Canon. All other CASIO cameras (EXILIM Card/Zoom/Slim) use Pentax lenses.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their fair share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

I know, but when you factor in that Canon sells more cameras than CASIO, the number of people experiencing a mechanical error like the E18 error is acceptable when compared to Canon customers never experiencing it. 50% of CASIO digital camera customers will probably experience the lens error at least once. I can guarantee that Canon's percentage isn't nearly that high. Also Canon has a better repair/return policy, and are probably easier to deal with (CASIO customer service is horrible).

CASIO actually began producing a PRO line of digital cameras (P500, P600, P700). We received very little calls on these cameras. The type of lens used with that series? Canon. All other CASIO cameras (EXILIM Card/Zoom/Slim) use Pentax lenses.

99% of statistics are made up on the spot.
:roll:
So canon's failures are acceptable while Casio's isn't?
Is that why Canon had a class action lawsuit regarding the E18 error?
Pentax is an optical company, not a P&S lens motor company. They probably did not design the focusing mechanism in the lens, or probably even make the lens in the camera. They most likely just designed the lens, and casio manufactures them. Same story with Panasonic and Sony cameras. You think they come with real Leica and Zeiss lenses? No. They are just designed by leica and sony, and manufactured by the Panasonic/Sony.
Quality has nothing to do with the company that designed the lens. If so, Canon is probably one of the worse, considering how many people have their 50mm F/1.4 lens break on them.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their fair share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

I know, but when you factor in that Canon sells more cameras than CASIO, the number of people experiencing a mechanical error like the E18 error is acceptable when compared to Canon customers never experiencing it. 50% of CASIO digital camera customers will probably experience the lens error at least once. I can guarantee that Canon's percentage isn't nearly that high. Also Canon has a better repair/return policy, and are probably easier to deal with (CASIO customer service is horrible).

CASIO actually began producing a PRO line of digital cameras (P500, P600, P700). We received very little calls on these cameras. The type of lens used with that series? Canon. All other CASIO cameras (EXILIM Card/Zoom/Slim) use Pentax lenses.

99% of statistics are made up on the spot.
:roll:
So canon's failures are acceptable while Casio's isn't?
Is that why Canon had a class action lawsuit regarding the E18 error?
Pentax is an optical company, not a P&S lens motor company. They probably did not design the focusing mechanism in the lens, or probably even make the lens in the camera. They most likely just designed the lens, and casio manufactures them. Same story with Panasonic and Sony cameras. You think they come with real Leica and Zeiss lenses? No. They are just designed by leica and sony, and manufactured by the Panasonic/Sony.
Quality has nothing to do with the company that designed the lens. If so, Canon is probably one of the worse, considering how many people have their 50mm F/1.4 lens break on them.

You can argue moot points all you want, but CASIO cameras still suck.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their fair share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

I know, but when you factor in that Canon sells more cameras than CASIO, the number of people experiencing a mechanical error like the E18 error is acceptable when compared to Canon customers never experiencing it. 50% of CASIO digital camera customers will probably experience the lens error at least once. I can guarantee that Canon's percentage isn't nearly that high. Also Canon has a better repair/return policy, and are probably easier to deal with (CASIO customer service is horrible).

CASIO actually began producing a PRO line of digital cameras (P500, P600, P700). We received very little calls on these cameras. The type of lens used with that series? Canon. All other CASIO cameras (EXILIM Card/Zoom/Slim) use Pentax lenses.

99% of statistics are made up on the spot.
:roll:
So canon's failures are acceptable while Casio's isn't?
Is that why Canon had a class action lawsuit regarding the E18 error?
Pentax is an optical company, not a P&S lens motor company. They probably did not design the focusing mechanism in the lens, or probably even make the lens in the camera. They most likely just designed the lens, and casio manufactures them. Same story with Panasonic and Sony cameras. You think they come with real Leica and Zeiss lenses? No. They are just designed by leica and sony, and manufactured by the Panasonic/Sony.
Quality has nothing to do with the company that designed the lens. If so, Canon is probably one of the worse, considering how many people have their 50mm F/1.4 lens break on them.

You can argue moot points all you want, but CASIO cameras still suck.

Fair enough.
But then the question is, do canon ones suck too then since they have the same problems as the Casios?

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their fair share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

I know, but when you factor in that Canon sells more cameras than CASIO, the number of people experiencing a mechanical error like the E18 error is acceptable when compared to Canon customers never experiencing it. 50% of CASIO digital camera customers will probably experience the lens error at least once. I can guarantee that Canon's percentage isn't nearly that high. Also Canon has a better repair/return policy, and are probably easier to deal with (CASIO customer service is horrible).

CASIO actually began producing a PRO line of digital cameras (P500, P600, P700). We received very little calls on these cameras. The type of lens used with that series? Canon. All other CASIO cameras (EXILIM Card/Zoom/Slim) use Pentax lenses.

99% of statistics are made up on the spot.
:roll:
So canon's failures are acceptable while Casio's isn't?
Is that why Canon had a class action lawsuit regarding the E18 error?
Pentax is an optical company, not a P&S lens motor company. They probably did not design the focusing mechanism in the lens, or probably even make the lens in the camera. They most likely just designed the lens, and casio manufactures them. Same story with Panasonic and Sony cameras. You think they come with real Leica and Zeiss lenses? No. They are just designed by leica and sony, and manufactured by the Panasonic/Sony.
Quality has nothing to do with the company that designed the lens. If so, Canon is probably one of the worse, considering how many people have their 50mm F/1.4 lens break on them.

You can argue moot points all you want, but CASIO cameras still suck.

Fair enough.
But then the question is, do canon ones suck too then since they have the same problems as the Casios?

Well, they have their share of problems too. But I'd say, given how many more cameras Canon produces, that CASIO experiences more problems with their cameras. So if you were to buy 50 Canon A80s, and 50 CASIO EXZ750s, and then use them all for 60 days, you'd see more issues and malfunctions with the CASIO group. It might not even be an issue with manufacturing, it could just be a problem with quality-control. *shrug*.

Canon has problems, sure, but the bottom line is I'd feel safer buying a Canon camera. I have two of them, actually, and have had absolutely no problem with either.

However, if you get a CASIO camera with absolutely no problems, you've got a nice camera. Image quality won't be AMAZING, but the amount of features they manage to include is impressive.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their fair share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

I know, but when you factor in that Canon sells more cameras than CASIO, the number of people experiencing a mechanical error like the E18 error is acceptable when compared to Canon customers never experiencing it. 50% of CASIO digital camera customers will probably experience the lens error at least once. I can guarantee that Canon's percentage isn't nearly that high. Also Canon has a better repair/return policy, and are probably easier to deal with (CASIO customer service is horrible).

CASIO actually began producing a PRO line of digital cameras (P500, P600, P700). We received very little calls on these cameras. The type of lens used with that series? Canon. All other CASIO cameras (EXILIM Card/Zoom/Slim) use Pentax lenses.

99% of statistics are made up on the spot.
:roll:
So canon's failures are acceptable while Casio's isn't?
Is that why Canon had a class action lawsuit regarding the E18 error?
Pentax is an optical company, not a P&S lens motor company. They probably did not design the focusing mechanism in the lens, or probably even make the lens in the camera. They most likely just designed the lens, and casio manufactures them. Same story with Panasonic and Sony cameras. You think they come with real Leica and Zeiss lenses? No. They are just designed by leica and sony, and manufactured by the Panasonic/Sony.
Quality has nothing to do with the company that designed the lens. If so, Canon is probably one of the worse, considering how many people have their 50mm F/1.4 lens break on them.

You can argue moot points all you want, but CASIO cameras still suck.

Fair enough.
But then the question is, do canon ones suck too then since they have the same problems as the Casios?

Well, they have their share of problems too. But I'd say, given how many more cameras Canon produces, that CASIO experiences more problems with their cameras. So if you were to buy 50 Canon A80s, and 50 CASIO EXZ750s, and then use them all for 60 days, you'd see more issues and malfunctions with the CASIO group. It might not even be an issue with manufacturing, it could just be a problem with quality-control. *shrug*.

Canon has problems, sure, but the bottom line is I'd feel safer buying a Canon camera. I have two of them, actually, and have had absolutely no problem with either.

However, if you get a CASIO camera with absolutely no problems, you've got a nice camera. Image quality won't be AMAZING, but the amount of features they manage to include is impressive.

I find it surprising how you can be so adamant on Casio's and Canon's qualities based on your limited experience with two Canon cameras and zero Casio's.
Of course if you own two canon's, and work for Casio's tech support, you're not going to hear anything good about Casio, but only have experience with your Canon's.
But then again, I never expected anyone on ATOT to be objective anyways.
BTW if you want the best image quality, Check out Pentax's new A10

 

[LikeLinus]

OP, take some of this info with a grain of salt. Someone obviously has a vendetta against a certain company and likes to make up statistics and pull things out of their a$$ big time. They say things they "guarantee" with absolutely NO proof or any real data.

That said, I purchased a Casio Z750 (7.2MP) and it's been an excellent camera. I guess she's been one of the few (cause you know we all have the data) to never have a single problem with the camera.

I've owned Olympus and Casio myself, but also great brands and never had a problem with either. Check out the reviews and look at a bunch of comments on other websites. I did, and was surprised how great the reviews and opinions were for the 750. That's the main reason I got my wife one. It's small and does a great job. I can't comment on the 850 though.

 

[d33pt]

what's the best camera for movies? i want one that does mpeg4 divx like the newer pentax or casios. It needs to be fairly small and lightweight. I've read some reviews for the pentax that even though the movies were 30fps, they tend to be choppy. i'll be using it as a cheap camcorder for my 4 wheeling trips, mounted to the handlebars with a RAM mount. How's the video with the casio?

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Muahahahaha. Good luck with that camera. :evil:

What do you mean by that? Casio makes some of the best point and shoot compact cameras, IMHO, the features they squeeze in there beat Canon in my eyes.

I worked among 5 other people in a call center, providing all of CASIO's North American customers with technical support. I specialized in their cameras. I handled about 200 calls a day dealing with the cameras. I know them inside and out, and I know that I would NEVER buy one. You may get lucky and get a camera that won't give you any problems, but in about 6 months I'm willing to bet that you've experienced 3 or 4 different problems with it. I just hope you never have to send it to their repair center, either the one in California or New Jersey. It'll be a nightmare. Oh... I could tell you stories...

Anyway! I wish you the best of luck with the camera. They are actually very nice when they do work. Though I think they're a bit overpriced. If (when) you get your first LENS ERROR, feel free to PM me. I may be able to help.

Canon is getting their fair share of lens errors too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=E18+canon

I know, but when you factor in that Canon sells more cameras than CASIO, the number of people experiencing a mechanical error like the E18 error is acceptable when compared to Canon customers never experiencing it. 50% of CASIO digital camera customers will probably experience the lens error at least once. I can guarantee that Canon's percentage isn't nearly that high. Also Canon has a better repair/return policy, and are probably easier to deal with (CASIO customer service is horrible).

CASIO actually began producing a PRO line of digital cameras (P500, P600, P700). We received very little calls on these cameras. The type of lens used with that series? Canon. All other CASIO cameras (EXILIM Card/Zoom/Slim) use Pentax lenses.

99% of statistics are made up on the spot.
:roll:
So canon's failures are acceptable while Casio's isn't?
Is that why Canon had a class action lawsuit regarding the E18 error?
Pentax is an optical company, not a P&S lens motor company. They probably did not design the focusing mechanism in the lens, or probably even make the lens in the camera. They most likely just designed the lens, and casio manufactures them. Same story with Panasonic and Sony cameras. You think they come with real Leica and Zeiss lenses? No. They are just designed by leica and sony, and manufactured by the Panasonic/Sony.
Quality has nothing to do with the company that designed the lens. If so, Canon is probably one of the worse, considering how many people have their 50mm F/1.4 lens break on them.

You can argue moot points all you want, but CASIO cameras still suck.

Fair enough.
But then the question is, do canon ones suck too then since they have the same problems as the Casios?

Well, they have their share of problems too. But I'd say, given how many more cameras Canon produces, that CASIO experiences more problems with their cameras. So if you were to buy 50 Canon A80s, and 50 CASIO EXZ750s, and then use them all for 60 days, you'd see more issues and malfunctions with the CASIO group. It might not even be an issue with manufacturing, it could just be a problem with quality-control. *shrug*.

Canon has problems, sure, but the bottom line is I'd feel safer buying a Canon camera. I have two of them, actually, and have had absolutely no problem with either.

However, if you get a CASIO camera with absolutely no problems, you've got a nice camera. Image quality won't be AMAZING, but the amount of features they manage to include is impressive.

I find it surprising how you can be so adamant on Casio's and Canon's qualities based on your limited experience with two Canon cameras and zero Casio's.
Of course if you own two canon's, and work for Casio's tech support, you're not going to hear anything good about Casio, but only have experience with your Canon's.
But then again, I never expected anyone on ATOT to be objective anyways.
BTW if you want the best image quality, Check out Pentax's new A10

We were all trained with the cameras, so I had a lot of personal experience with them. And I did hear the positive calls as well. Sometimes somebody would call up just needing advice, and they'd tell me how happy they've been with the camera and how great it is. Those calls actually made me happy. I also have a lot of experience with other digital camera manufacturers from my job before that, at a printer doing photography for their newspaper. I used Nikon, Canon, Olympus, and Konica-Minolta. They were all fairly good cameras, I remember the Nikon being my favorite to use.

Casio uses very intuitive on-screen menus, and the visual design is usually very nice, but all of their issues, both with the cameras themselves and their customer support, keep them a league below the manufacturers listed above.

 

[Merlyn3D]

Casio's movie mode is awesome, very smooth.

As for mobobuff, I've worked in an rma department. It's true that you ONLY hear horror stories, no success stories. Casio cameras have gotten very good reviews all around the board, and quite frankly, if there was any major issue with them, at least one of the review sites would have mentioned something. Fact of the matter is that Canon isn't all that great either. My friends have bought canons (an SD400 for one) whose screen stopped working after a week of use, for no reason whatsoever. This isn't the only account I've heard of this either.

In my opinion, canon may make a good camera, but they're lacking in the software on that camera.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: d33pt
what's the best camera for movies? i want one that does mpeg4 divx like the newer pentax or casios. It needs to be fairly small and lightweight. I've read some reviews for the pentax that even though the movies were 30fps, they tend to be choppy. i'll be using it as a cheap camcorder for my 4 wheeling trips, mounted to the handlebars with a RAM mount. How's the video with the casio?

The MPEG4 compression is what makes Casio cameras attractive. The Z850 experienced a very common problem upon its release dealing with the gain control. Videos were coming out with HEAVY grain, even in well-lit areas. I'm not sure if they've gotten that one sorted out yet. I would NOT suggest using it for a camcorder, especially on your 4-wheeler. If you plan to use the HQ MPEG4 recording mode, you'll need a very large memory card if you want to record more than 15 minutes at any given time. That camera would also not do very well in rough circumstances. If you were to use it on a 4-wheeler I would suggest getting the outdoor clear case enclosure, or the underwater case. Still, the vibrations would probably screw up the lens motor, or put the lens assembly itself out of alignment.

It's excellent for taking videos at parties and such, but I would never suggest using it for a camcorder, especially mounted on anything moving.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: d33pt
what's the best camera for movies? i want one that does mpeg4 divx like the newer pentax or casios. It needs to be fairly small and lightweight. I've read some reviews for the pentax that even though the movies were 30fps, they tend to be choppy. i'll be using it as a cheap camcorder for my 4 wheeling trips, mounted to the handlebars with a RAM mount. How's the video with the casio?

Cameras aren't made for movies. I'd get a camcorder. Even the bottom of the line $150 ones will be much better than any digicam movie mode.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
Casio's movie mode is awesome, very smooth.

As for mobobuff, I've worked in an rma department. It's true that you ONLY hear horror stories, no success stories. Casio cameras have gotten very good reviews all around the board, and quite frankly, if there was any major issue with them, at least one of the review sites would have mentioned something. Fact of the matter is that Canon isn't all that great either. My friends have bought canons (an SD400 for one) whose screen stopped working after a week of use, for no reason whatsoever. This isn't the only account I've heard of this either.

In my opinion, canon may make a good camera, but they're lacking in the software on that camera.

It's obvious that if you're working in a position of technical support or repair you're going to see a lot of the bad, that's your JOB. I didn't think that was such an elusive concept that I had to mention it. But yes, I am aware of that. And as I've said, I did hear a lot of the good stories too. There was a woman from Ontario who wouldn't let her family buy anything other than CASIO, and the last time I had talked to her (she probably called in about 30 times) nothing serious had gone wrong with any of the CASIO cameras in her family, and she was very happy with them. She just had a very hard time understanding the proper use of the USB cradle and the connection to her television.