Cat about to be declawed.... :(

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Deeko
Canai - before you spout your ignorant bullshit some more, I'd love to see you answer the question about neutering/spaying - without reverting to "it prevents overpopulation, and thus other cats being put down" and "it prevents a life of sexual frustration", I've already addressed both of them.

Face the facts - if you've ever had a pet neutered or spayed, you are JUST AS BAD, no if ands or buts about it, than those you seek to demonize. The animal is still maimed! In reality, maimed MUCH more so! Who cares if they are happy? You're maiming the poor thing!

Pathetic.

Humans have been neutering their domesticated animals for thousands of years. Some do it so the animal grows larger, some do it so the animal has a better temperament, some do it because they don't want kittens, some do it so the animal won't smell wild animals and spray all over the house

Bottom line is you can't do anything about the reproductive tendencies of an animal without some form of genital mutilation. No amount of training will stop an unnuetered male cat from spraying if he smells a rival outside. Neutered animals live longer, and are more docile.

All the claw related problems can be taken care of with 5 minutes of time a week, if even that.

If that doesn't make any sense, what I'm getting at is that you neuter a cat to take care of problems down the road that you can't otherwise fix. Any of the problems associated with clawing can be fixed with regular trimming. Cats have fragile respiratory systems, and every time they go under anesthesia there's a not negligible chance they won't come out.

ps. neutering is not the same as declawing. I'd liken it more to the debarking that some idiots do to their dogs.

edit: oops I meant to hit edit instead of quote

 

[Deeko]

By your own statement - it doesn't matter if they're as happy or happier, or if it is harder to train (but as I said above - keep the cat inside, you'll never have to worry). You're maiming the animal to avoid some displeasure to you. Do you care about the rug the cat might spray on more than the cat itself?

Sorry if I got heated above, but you really need to think through what you're saying. Laying a blanket statement like you did is very untrue, and very insulting.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Canai

Well, I value my cat more than my furniture. Living things > inanimate objects.

edit: especially a living thing that greets my by the door and snuggles up to me at night. You can replace a couch with one just like it, or even better. You'll never find another cat like the one you have.

Well then I hope that living thing isn't spayed or neutered, or else you're a hypocritical asshole. If so, what gives you the right to criticize the dedication or love of the other pet owners here, when you only follow that advice when it suits you???

I say again - pathetic.

Maiming your cat because you are too lazy to trim its claws is dedication and love?

Originally posted by: Deeko
By your own statement - it doesn't matter if they're as happy or happier, or if it is harder to train (but as I said above - keep the cat inside, you'll never have to worry). You're maiming the animal to avoid some displeasure to you. Do you care about the rug the cat might spray on more than the cat itself?

Sorry if I got heated above, but you really need to think through what you're saying. Laying a blanket statement like you did is very untrue, and very insulting.

I laid the blanket statement because most of the cat's I've been around had their claws trimmed every week and there were never any problems with furniture.

edit: my step-mom always declawed her cats, and they always ended up shitting everywhere and drawing blood biting and they were all given away.

 

[Deeko]

No - you are criticizing other cat owners, calling them idiots, irresponsible, etc, because they don't want to deal with clipping nails or scratched furniture. Meanwhile, you're willing to fundamentally change your animal - not just the tips of its fingers - to avoid it pissing on your rug. If you don't see the hypocrasy there, well.....I'm sorry.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Deeko
No - you are criticizing other cat owners, calling them idiots, irresponsible, etc, because they don't want to deal with clipping nails or scratched furniture. Meanwhile, you're willing to fundamentally change your animal - not just the tips of its fingers - to avoid it pissing on your rug. If you don't see the hypocrasy there, well.....I'm sorry.

There is NOTHING you can do to prevent a cat spraying or breeding, NOTHING short of neutering it.

Trimming claws weekly prevents all scratching related problems, which means that declawing is above and beyond the rational solution.

I wish I hadn't neutered my cat, but unneutered male cats are often vicious and strong headed. I just think that neutering is the price of animals living in our modern world.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Sadly, if people properly trained their pets, cats wouldn't have to be declawed or dogs be debarked, etc. Cats can be trained to know what is appropriate to scratch and what isn't, as dogs can be trained to know when it's appropriate to bark and when it's not. It's too bad people can't be responsible pet owners and take the easy way out. Training takes time, consistency and helps to build a stronger bond between yourself and your pet.

What is sad about having millions of happy declawed cat and cat owner living together? I think the easy way out as you describe it is far better for the cat then the euthanasia they would ultimately face.
This thread is so full of pussies.

Good night, back to American Idols.

First off, there aren't millions of declawed cats. It's a small minority of people that do this. If you have numbers, please back it up.

The only pussies that I can see are the ones that are too lazy to properly train their cats. They take the easy way out.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Deeko
No - you are criticizing other cat owners, calling them idiots, irresponsible, etc, because they don't want to deal with clipping nails or scratched furniture. Meanwhile, you're willing to fundamentally change your animal - not just the tips of its fingers - to avoid it pissing on your rug. If you don't see the hypocrasy there, well.....I'm sorry.

There is NOTHING you can do to prevent a cat spraying or breeding, NOTHING short of neutering it.

Trimming claws weekly prevents all scratching related problems, which means that declawing is above and beyond the rational solution.

I wish I hadn't neutered my cat, but unneutered male cats are often vicious and strong headed. I just think that neutering is the price of animals living in our modern world.

Nothing huh? How about KEEPING YOUR CAT INSIDE? You keep forgetting about that one. A responsible cat owner keeps the cat inside anyway, because it could, ya know, die out there.

I'm done arguing with you. I've been rationale, I've been angry, now I'm just gonna be blunt - if you don't think it's hypocritical to consider declawing maiming, but neutering necessary...you're wrong. Have a good night.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Number1

What is sad about having millions of happy declawed cat and cat owner living together? I think the easy way out as you describe it is far better for the cat then the euthanasia they would ultimately face.
This thread is so full of pussies.

Good night, back to American Idols.

First off, there aren't millions of declawed cats. It's a small minority of people that do this. If you have numbers, please back it up.

The only pussies that I can see are the ones that are too lazy to properly train their cats. They take the easy way out.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean its a "small minority". It seems quite a few people in this thread alone have had it done. I would say it's 50/50. Unfortunatley I haven't spent my life studying the demographics of cat owners, so I can't provide any data to back that up - just my experience. In fact, living in the city where most cats are kept indoors in apartments, I'd say a much higher percentage of people have it done around here.

 

[SmoochyTX]

This thread makes me laugh.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Deeko
No - you are criticizing other cat owners, calling them idiots, irresponsible, etc, because they don't want to deal with clipping nails or scratched furniture. Meanwhile, you're willing to fundamentally change your animal - not just the tips of its fingers - to avoid it pissing on your rug. If you don't see the hypocrasy there, well.....I'm sorry.

There is NOTHING you can do to prevent a cat spraying or breeding, NOTHING short of neutering it.

Trimming claws weekly prevents all scratching related problems, which means that declawing is above and beyond the rational solution.

I wish I hadn't neutered my cat, but unneutered male cats are often vicious and strong headed. I just think that neutering is the price of animals living in our modern world.

Nothing huh? How about KEEPING YOUR CAT INSIDE? You keep forgetting about that one. A responsible cat owner keeps the cat inside anyway, because it could, ya know, die out there.

I'm done arguing with you. I've been rationale, I've been angry, now I'm just gonna be blunt - if you don't think it's hypocritical to consider declawing maiming, but neutering necessary...you're wrong. Have a good night.

My mom's cat would spray after smelling the air coming in through the windows. Cat pee STINKS. Wind blows. In the windows. Yes ?

Any responsible and loving cat owner would at least provide an open window for the cat to lounge in, if not enough windows to allow for a breeze.

You see things too black/white & right/wrong, and you jump to conclusions and don't think what others say through before you post. I'm sorry if I haven't been clear enough, but let me put it this way: many American vets will recommend neutering/spaying indoor and indoor/outdoor animals because it improves the length and quality of the animal's life. They do not recommend (discourage) declawing unless it is completely necessary. If you do not believe me, go to the AVMA's website and read the bit about it only being considered after all other means have been explored. It's banned in Britain, not to mention a host of other countries around the world. In general it's bad, and there is an extremely easy solution for it.

I'm glad to have provided crazy person arguments to the many who are enjoying this thread.

 

[pclstyle]

update!

 

[SmoochyTX]

Thanks for the update OP. Glad you were able to find a solution that fit your situation.

 

[cubby1223]

Declawing threads always are a joy to read through.

A week after cats are fixed and declawed, they are back to their normal selves. Everything we do affects their behaviors, including taking them indoors as pets and providing them with a food dish.. They are happy animals from birth to death.

 

[Canai]

Good choice OP :thumbsup:

 

[bctbct]

I trim my cats nails every few weeks and the first thing they do is go scratch. They like sharp claws.

 

[skyking]

Good job OP. You can always change your mind later, but I think you'll do fine with trimming.
We trim our dog's nails all the time, he is a piece of cake to handle. They'll fuss a little bit, but if you don't give in and show your dominance, they will quickly submit to it. The dog gets lots of love with his nail trimming, he likes that part of it.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Number1
What is sad about having millions of happy declawed cat and cat owner living together? I think the easy way out as you describe it is far better for the cat then the euthanasia they would ultimately face.
This thread is so full of pussies.

Yes, because immediately turning to surgery to cure all your ills is SO MUCH MANLIER than actually taking the time to properly train your pet. Everyone knows that throwing money at someone else to "fix things" for you is, clearly, the Chuck Norris-approved method for solving problems, and makes you much tougher by far than some guy who actually deals with things himself.

Sorry, I'm old skool. YOU'RE the pussy for thinking that keeping animals declawed, defanged, and "civilization-safe" is a better solution that properly training them.

Once they start genetically engineering animals without teeth, claws, vocal cords, or bladders, who live in a constant state of drugged-out euphoria, maybe all of you guys can get the pets you've always truly wanted. Until then, stick to your Furbys, they'll never claw the furniture and you don't have to *gasp* train them.

 

[frostedflakes]

To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Basically you are placing a higher value on an inanimate object than on a living breathing creature. This boils down to what has more value to you. The couch or the cat?

Well, the couch probably cost a thousand or more, while the cat was probably a couple hundred...

But really, although my family didn't declaw our cats (despite our shredded furniture and screen doors), I don't think it would really be that terrible for it. Maybe if it could go outside where there is real danger (we have coyotes in the woods behind our house, likely what got one of our cats), the claws would be helpful. But the cat probably won't miss them THAT much if it's not a big hunter. My cats would've hated me for it, though - they were great hunters and VERY smart (they opened doors, stole food, and stayed out for days at a time).

About the claws being helpful......... A domesticated cat has no chance against a Coyote......... declawed or not!

For those of you thinking------- Well, my cat cannot climb trees without front claws! THINK AGAIN buddy!
Example- I built a nice tall 10' cat tree (cat tower,whatever!) for all my cats. I was outside on the porch when UPS was delivering a package and they honked the horn! Three of my cats (without front claws) tore up that cat tree post as if they had double front claws!

All my cats love to chew though, and the one that's not declawed, scraped up one of my Polk RTI 12 speaker grills a little. Just one little thread pull while I was out of the room for about 2 min. But that's it in about 3 years time. No more damage because if they're in, I'm in the SAME ROOM with them!

Electronics are too expensive to let cats go chewing on your ENT sys.

I'd love to pull all their teeth, but the vet said, no way....... J/K

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

Let me put it this way.......

If anyone is going to have a declawing done, let it be at the same time the cat gets fixed.
Double the trauma= no good!

CANAI ----- Do you even own a cat????? I have 7 and 5 are declawed (soon to be 6), 6 are fixed (soon to be 7)....Get that?

Zero problems and all are healthy as hell! Oldest is 13!

 

[frostedflakes]

Yeah I'm not really seeing the problem. Based on my experiences and what everybody in this thread has posted, it seems pretty obvious that declawing, when done properly, has no long-term health problems. So in the end it comes down to short-term risks, such as anesthesia, healing, etc. If you're taking them in to be fixed they're going to be put under anyways, so risks from the anesthesia are a moot point. So the only unnecessary risk with declawing in this situation would be post operative complications, such as infection and stuff like that, none of which should be serious as long as the owner keeps an eye on the pet and takes all the necessary precautions (changing from regular litter to paper or something to prevent the sand from getting in there, etc.).

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

Let me put it this way.......

If anyone is going to have a declawing done, let it be at the same time the cat gets fixed.
Double the trauma= no good!

CANAI ----- Do you even own a cat????? I have 7 and 5 are declawed (soon to be 6), 6 are fixed (soon to be 7)....Get that?

Zero problems and all are healthy as hell! Oldest is 13!

Yes I have a cat. I have had several other cats, but I have only one now. I think that you having that many cats declawed is heinous. I get that you don't care about your animals, and you get them declawed as a quick fix to alter their behavior. Why do you have them all declawed?

I'm sorry that I give a fuck about the welfare of my pets. I'm even sorrier to see how few other people feel the same.

Declawing is classified as animal cruelty in much of Europe and other parts of the world. Why do you people continue to defend it? Because it is legal here? That doesn't make it right or humane. Britain is way ahead of us in food quality, medicine, general health etc, so I think those Brits might have an idea of what they are talking about.

edit:
The main point I am trying to make is that declawing is unnecessary mutilation that is done only by lazy or stupid or poorly informed pet owners. Trimming the claws once a week is all that is needed. Declawing may or may not cause long term problems, there are many contradictory studies. That still does not justify doing it, unless there is a real danger to the cat or people due to the claws.

It just really pisses me off when people declaw their pets to stop them from scratching. I'd like to know if any of the people here with declawed cats had a legitimate reason for doing it, or if they all just did it for convenience.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Yeah I'm not really seeing the problem. Based on my experiences and what everybody in this thread has posted, it seems pretty obvious that declawing, when done properly, has no long-term health problems. So in the end it comes down to short-term risks, such as anesthesia, healing, etc. If you're taking them in to be fixed they're going to be put under anyways, so risks from the anesthesia are a moot point. So the only unnecessary risk with declawing in this situation would be post operative complications, such as infection and stuff like that, none of which should be serious as long as the owner keeps an eye on the pet and takes all the necessary precautions (changing from regular litter to paper or something to prevent the sand from getting in there, etc.).

Huh? It's about more than just long-term risks! It's really a question of whether or not you think it's right to use surgery to change the behavior and functionality of another living creature to better match your own desires.

Of course declawing is popular in the US: This is the country that prescribes Ritalin to "correct" childrens' behavior, instead of using good parenting like you're supposed to. We love to weasel out of responsibilities.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

Let me put it this way.......

If anyone is going to have a declawing done, let it be at the same time the cat gets fixed.
Double the trauma= no good!

CANAI ----- Do you even own a cat????? I have 7 and 5 are declawed (soon to be 6), 6 are fixed (soon to be 7)....Get that?

Zero problems and all are healthy as hell! Oldest is 13!

Yes I have a cat. I have had several other cats, but I have only one now. I think that you having that many cats declawed is heinous. I get that you don't care about your animals, and you get them declawed as a quick fix to alter their behavior. Why do you have them all declawed?

I'm sorry that I give a fuck about the welfare of my pets. I'm even sorrier to see how few other people feel the same.

Declawing is classified as animal cruelty in much of Europe and other parts of the world. Why do you people continue to defend it? Because it is legal here? That doesn't make it right or humane. Britain is way ahead of us in food quality, medicine, general health etc, so I think those Brits might have an idea of what they are talking about.

edit:
The main point I am trying to make is that declawing is unnecessary mutilation that is done only by lazy or stupid or poorly informed pet owners. Trimming the claws once a week is all that is needed. It may or may not cause long term problems, there are many contradictory studies. That still does not justify doing it, unless there is a real danger to the cat or people due to the claws.

It just really pisses me off when people declaw their pets to stop them from scratching. I'd like to know if any of the people here with declawed cats had a legitimate reason for doing it, or if they all just did it for convenience.

So you're a Europeon living in WI now? (if not.....???)
I'm sure if I moved to China, I would'nt be as outspoken as you telling everyone what is Right and what is Wrong!!!!!!........ Rat, Cat and dog on a steek. (yes, steek!.... with a jalapeno!)

Call me a Lazy and Uniformed pet owner then if you will, but you've not a clue.