Cat about to be declawed.... :(

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

Let me put it this way.......

If anyone is going to have a declawing done, let it be at the same time the cat gets fixed.
Double the trauma= no good!

CANAI ----- Do you even own a cat????? I have 7 and 5 are declawed (soon to be 6), 6 are fixed (soon to be 7)....Get that?

Zero problems and all are healthy as hell! Oldest is 13!

Yes I have a cat. I have had several other cats, but I have only one now. I think that you having that many cats declawed is heinous. I get that you don't care about your animals, and you get them declawed as a quick fix to alter their behavior. Why do you have them all declawed?

I'm sorry that I give a fuck about the welfare of my pets. I'm even sorrier to see how few other people feel the same.

Declawing is classified as animal cruelty in much of Europe and other parts of the world. Why do you people continue to defend it? Because it is legal here? That doesn't make it right or humane. Britain is way ahead of us in food quality, medicine, general health etc, so I think those Brits might have an idea of what they are talking about.

edit:
The main point I am trying to make is that declawing is unnecessary mutilation that is done only by lazy or stupid or poorly informed pet owners. Trimming the claws once a week is all that is needed. Declawing may or may not cause long term problems, there are many contradictory studies. That still does not justify doing it, unless there is a real danger to the cat or people due to the claws.

It just really pisses me off when people declaw their pets to stop them from scratching. I'd like to know if any of the people here with declawed cats had a legitimate reason for doing it, or if they all just did it for convenience.

don't stop there. eating meat is akin to what hitler did with the jews. it is a holocaust of living creatures. and all people who partake in such brutality are morally reprehensible sorry excuses for humanity who probably rape their children and at the very least they should not be allowed to own pets.

you vegan? you self righteous little prick?

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

Let me put it this way.......

If anyone is going to have a declawing done, let it be at the same time the cat gets fixed.
Double the trauma= no good!

CANAI ----- Do you even own a cat????? I have 7 and 5 are declawed (soon to be 6), 6 are fixed (soon to be 7)....Get that?

Zero problems and all are healthy as hell! Oldest is 13!

Yes I have a cat. I have had several other cats, but I have only one now. I think that you having that many cats declawed is heinous. I get that you don't care about your animals, and you get them declawed as a quick fix to alter their behavior. Why do you have them all declawed?

I'm sorry that I give a fuck about the welfare of my pets. I'm even sorrier to see how few other people feel the same.

Declawing is classified as animal cruelty in much of Europe and other parts of the world. Why do you people continue to defend it? Because it is legal here? That doesn't make it right or humane. Britain is way ahead of us in food quality, medicine, general health etc, so I think those Brits might have an idea of what they are talking about.

edit:
The main point I am trying to make is that declawing is unnecessary mutilation that is done only by lazy or stupid or poorly informed pet owners. Trimming the claws once a week is all that is needed. Declawing may or may not cause long term problems, there are many contradictory studies. That still does not justify doing it, unless there is a real danger to the cat or people due to the claws.

It just really pisses me off when people declaw their pets to stop them from scratching. I'd like to know if any of the people here with declawed cats had a legitimate reason for doing it, or if they all just did it for convenience.

don't stop there. eating meat is akin to what hitler did with the jews. it is a holocaust of living creatures. and all people who partake in such brutality are morally reprehensible sorry excuses for humanity who probably rape their children and at the very least they should not be allowed to own pets.

you vegan? you self righteous little prick?

No, I'm not a god damn vegan. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Declawing is UNNECESSARY mutilation. Are you fucking stupid? Did you read anything I wrote?

The act of declawing an animal is seen as animal cruelty in much of the civilized world. Many countries have banned this act. It is discouraged in America, or at least that is the AVMA's stance on it. Yet you keep defending it.

Oh, and 0roo0roo, you come in this thread spewing a bunch of random bullshit about hitler and jews and the holocaust. Then you call me a self righteous little prick. You have nothing to add to the discussion other than personal insults and shit. Go ahead, keep defending the mutilation. I'd think someone with 40k+ posts would have more tact than to result to prick-related insults. Me, I'm just a stupid noob who doesn't know anything, right? Well, I'm sorry for agreeing with what the rest of the world thinks. American laws and ideals are anything but.

And another thing, what do you have against vegans? If I were vegan, what would you call me? A big prick maybe?

I ask anyone who reads this and has had their cat declawed: Why? Because of scratching? Legitimate reason? IIRC I said that anyone who gets their cats declawed to get them to stop scratching is an idiot and a fool. If there's a real need to have the cat declawed, or if it'll be put to death otherwise, of course it should be done. But to stop it from scratching? Only a lazy fucking idiot who is unfit to have a cat would do that. That's what I'm trying to say.

I'm sorry but I just can't understand what kind of person who 'cares' about their pets gets them maimed for life instead of spending a little time with them every week.

If you can't be bothered to trim your cat's claws once a week, you shouldn't have a god damn cat. Period.

edit: oh, and CorCentral, I'm not European, I just haven't limited my exposure to only American laws and practices. When America does something one way, and most of Europe does it a different way, there's something amiss. Just look at all the chemicals and preservatives that are banned in the EU and are still legal in the US. They know it's bad, and they DO something about it. We Americans know it's bad, but GOD DAMN it's UNAMERICAN not to do it! :roll:

edit2: And aren't personal insults a bannable offense ?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Canai
Then you call me a self righteous little prick.

<snip>

If you can't be bothered to trim your cat's claws once a week, you shouldn't have a god damn cat. Period.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous

self-right·eous
?adjective
confident of one's own righteousness, esp. when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Canai
Then you call me a self righteous little prick.

<snip>

If you can't be bothered to trim your cat's claws once a week, you shouldn't have a god damn cat. Period.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous

self-right·eous
?adjective
confident of one's own righteousness, esp. when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

Well, then yes, I guess I am. I am sorry.

I think you will agree though, that anyone who has a cat should be spending time with it every day. More time than just feeding it. If they can't find 5 minutes a week to trim the claws, they shouldn't have a cat, because the cat is not getting enough attention from it's owners. Does this point, at least, make sense?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Canai
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Welcome to the internet, where other people are allowed to think differently than you. Hope it doesn't scare you too much.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Canai
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Welcome to the internet, where other people are allowed to think differently than you. Hope it doesn't scare you too much.

I guess I never thought there would be this many people defending animal cruelty.

Doesn't it matter that what they are doing is inhumane and illegal in much of the world? Have they no conscience? I haven't had a single reply from someone who didn't get it done to stop them from clawing. ALL the American animal rights / health groups are against it, including the Humane Society (so it's not all nutbag groups). A large group of American vets refuse to do it.

Yet another case of humane treatment and logical thought being overridden by greed, lazyness, and good ol' American 'this is my cat, I can do as I wish with it, I own it, it's not an animal, it's a decoration' :roll:

Just because the law is different here does not mean it is any less cruel.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: pclstyle
+ Topic blew up a little more than I expected, so I figured I'd toss in an update for anyone who might be interested.

Update:
Did a little more research last night on both declawing and non-declawing alternatives. Overall it seems like there's plenty of happy declawed kitties out there, but the thought of lopping off the end-joints of every one of his paws didn't quite sit right with me. Ended up canceling the scheduled surgical op, and converted the appointment into a claw trimming. I wanted to have the vet do the trimming the first time so I wouldn't accidentally cut off his toes.

- He sat though it real nicely, so I'm pretty confident I'll be able to maintain him on my own in the future.

In the end, I came to the conclusion that animals are just behavioral creatures, that can be conditioned and trained with enough effort and patience. Any inconvenience we've had with him up till now is probably just a result of our own lack of persistence in reversing his undesirable habits. Although I can understand the need for declawing in certain situations, I couldn't justify it in mine. He was just cheerfully expressing an instinctual need, and it wouldn't have been entirely fair for me to suddenly drag him into an operating room and start chopping away.

End result:
The little guy rests peacefully on my bed -nails a little blunted but paws intact- under my watchful eye and a spray bottle within arm's reach (training purposes).

Thanks for all the opinions, wouldn't have managed to get agitated enough about the circumstances alone. If he wasn't so damn clueless, mao would say thanks too.





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So, my cat has a habit of gouging little holes in the leather couches upstairs. I guess it happens naturally when he climbs on the furniture, but recently it's become more noticeable. A week ago the family presented the little guy an ultimatum. Either stop climbing the furniture or lose the claws. :brokenheart: We tried to assist him by getting him a little jungle gym set-up and applying this eucalyptus-based 'scratch-off' spray to the furniture -- but he's quite determined.

Enter the present: scheduled declawing for Thursday afternoon. He'll have to go in by Wednesday night, so the timeframe for salvation is rather tight. Does anyone have any failproof ideas for a method of some sort that would keep him off the couches? A new spray whatever? Thanks in advance.


BTW, he loves the outdoors. So eliminating his primary form of defense would really limit his normal recreation, and probably just end up turning him into a mopey indoor version of his former self.

See below for furball:
mao

While it may be little consolation to your couch, good job man -- in my opinion you did the right thing.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Canai
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Welcome to the internet, where other people are allowed to think differently than you. Hope it doesn't scare you too much.

And it doesn't matter that what they are doing is inhumane and illegal in much of the world? Have they no conscience? I haven't had a single reply from someone who didn't get it done to stop them from clawing. ALL the American animal rights / health groups are against it, including the Humane Society (so it's not all nutbag groups). A large group of American vets refuse to do it.

Yet another case of humane treatment and logical thought being overridden by greed, lazyness, and good ol' American 'this is my cat, I can do as I wish with it, I own it, it's not an animal, it's a decoration' :roll:

Just because the law is different here does not mean it is any less cruel.

Pilgrim, I'm nor greedy or lazy..... Well, Greed lives in all of us at times, but when it comes to my 7 CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , I don't want them to fucking die!!! I research mths in advance before I do anything! (cats to computer components!) You seem to really throw that "KNOCKING AMERICAN" theme out there!

Lay off!

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Canai
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Welcome to the internet, where other people are allowed to think differently than you. Hope it doesn't scare you too much.

And it doesn't matter that what they are doing is inhumane and illegal in much of the world? Have they no conscience? I haven't had a single reply from someone who didn't get it done to stop them from clawing. ALL the American animal rights / health groups are against it, including the Humane Society (so it's not all nutbag groups). A large group of American vets refuse to do it.

Yet another case of humane treatment and logical thought being overridden by greed, lazyness, and good ol' American 'this is my cat, I can do as I wish with it, I own it, it's not an animal, it's a decoration' :roll:

Just because the law is different here does not mean it is any less cruel.

Pilgrim, I'm nor greedy or lazy..... Well, Greed lives in all of us at times, but when it comes to my 7 CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , I don't want them to fucking die!!! I research mths in advance before I do anything! (cats to computer components!) You seem to really throw that "KNOCKING AMERICAN" theme out there!

Lay off!

Well, I'm not a big fan of what America has become. I was planning on leaving after college, but I don't know if I could stand my cat being in (I don't remember, either 30 or 90) days of quarantine. There are a lot of idiots here. I got the impression from a couple people in this thread that they don't care about the rest of the world, and if it's legal here, that's all they need. It is really those people who I am knocking, or mocking, what have you.

But anyway, if you have a reason other than 'oh, he was tearing up the furniture' and you believe that declawing is necessary, then it is your call.

 

[dug777]

Good onya mate :beer:

If you aren't prepared to train a cat, and can't tolerate the slightest scratch on anything, then don't get a cat. It's not rocket science

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: dug777
Good onya mate :beer:

If you aren't prepared to train a cat, and can't tolerate the slightest scratch on anything, then don't get a cat. It's not rocket science

Train a cat? Well I trained an Iguana to shit on newspaper (New York Times FTW).... But train a cat?
Of course you can do subtle training......... If you're feeding them, they're right there ready to obey and beg just like a dog. So using food as a training method "almost" always works.

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Canai
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Welcome to the internet, where other people are allowed to think differently than you. Hope it doesn't scare you too much.

And it doesn't matter that what they are doing is inhumane and illegal in much of the world? Have they no conscience? I haven't had a single reply from someone who didn't get it done to stop them from clawing. ALL the American animal rights / health groups are against it, including the Humane Society (so it's not all nutbag groups). A large group of American vets refuse to do it.

Yet another case of humane treatment and logical thought being overridden by greed, lazyness, and good ol' American 'this is my cat, I can do as I wish with it, I own it, it's not an animal, it's a decoration' :roll:

Just because the law is different here does not mean it is any less cruel.

Pilgrim, I'm nor greedy or lazy..... Well, Greed lives in all of us at times, but when it comes to my 7 CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , I don't want them to fucking die!!! I research mths in advance before I do anything! (cats to computer components!) You seem to really throw that "KNOCKING AMERICAN" theme out there!

Lay off!

Well, I'm not a big fan of what America has become. I was planning on leaving after college, but I don't know if I could stand my cat being in (I don't remember, either 30 or 90) days of quarantine. There are a lot of idiots here. I got the impression from a couple people in this thread that they don't care about the rest of the world, and if it's legal here, that's all they need. It is really those people who I am knocking, or mocking, what have you.

But anyway, if you have a reason other than 'oh, he was tearing up the furniture' and you believe that declawing is necessary, then it is your call.

There are many idiots here, just look at this forum. Just don't blame the one's like me who do the research. I will spend thousands on my cats................ My wife would die if she lost Tres! (13 years old)

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

Let me put it this way.......

If anyone is going to have a declawing done, let it be at the same time the cat gets fixed.
Double the trauma= no good!

CANAI ----- Do you even own a cat????? I have 7 and 5 are declawed (soon to be 6), 6 are fixed (soon to be 7)....Get that?

Zero problems and all are healthy as hell! Oldest is 13!

Don't bother. He's an ignorant, hypocritical, self-righteous prick. He has no problems mutiliating his cat's genitals, altering it's very personality because he's too lazy to spend 5 minutes spraying some Resolve on the carpets, but if you get your cat declawed, you're just lazy and irresponsible.

Oh, and if you can't stop your cat from scratching, you just are too lazy to train the cat - but a declawed cat? Untrainable! It will bite and shit everywhere, didn't you know? That's not attributed to poor training, just the declawing!

Seriously, this moron isn't worth your time. You OBVIOUSLY don't love your cats, you should fry for what you've done.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: dug777
Good onya mate :beer:

If you aren't prepared to train a cat, and can't tolerate the slightest scratch on anything, then don't get a cat. It's not rocket science

:thumbsup: QFT!

 

[funkbass81]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Deeko
Declawed cats are PERFECTLY happy.

So are paraplegics.

yea, because declawing cats renders them unable to move :roll:

 

[Insomniator]

I think it's quite a clear line between spaying/neutering a cat and declawing one. Also, I don't think keeping your cat 100% inside is really doing the best for the animal because you care about it. We can't 'gauge' the happiness of any cat, but wouldn't you guess they would be happier outside in their natural element just like the 1 billion cats before them? Yes cats love warm, comfortable places but my cats have been more active and healthier ever since I started keeping them outside more. Yes there is a risk they will get hit by a car or get sick, but by that measure we should never be outside either.

Actually, thinking of it that way, how would you like to be kept inside your whole life with just windows to look out of?

Thats a bit off topic, but basically, I find it hard to believe you can't see a difference in declawing and fixing a cat.

You can train a cat not to scratch, and there is a pretty good chance a cat you get won't scratch in general, especially if allowed to be outside. You can't train a cat not to breed outside and create thousands of stray cats that just cause problems. Yes you are changing the personality but please, there is an obvious difference. Fundamentally changing a personality (of a cat) is much different than keeping it the same, but just removing it's claws which obviously serve some very good purposes.

 

[Deeko]

Yea, my dog wants to go roam outside, too, but I don't let him. He'd also be happier if he could eat my dinner when I turned my back. Same goes for cats - yea, a lot of them want to wander outside (not all), but is it really in the cat's best interest to allow that? Cats are better prepared to be unsupervised outside than dogs, absolutely, but you're still raising the risk of something happening big time. I'm not saying it's wrong to let your car out, but again....you can't have one without the other.

I DO see the difference between fixing a cat and declawing them - do you think my pets aren't fixed? However, to say you don't want to maim your pet, that you love your pet more than your furniture (and that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot, irresonsible, lazy, etc)...but then you get your cat neutered because you don't want to clean up when it pees inside, how can you not see the hypocrasy?

It just seems that it's "socially acceptable" to get an animal spayed or neutered, and therefore it's 1000x better than declawing. In reality, they are very similar to the animal itself, if anything getting fixed is a much bigger change to them. People just don't look at it that way.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: CorCentral

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
To be honest I thought it was pretty standard procedure to get a cat declawed while they're under for spay/neuter. I probably wouldn't take a cat in just for declawing, I'd try training/clipping first, but if I was taking them in for another procedure I'd probably just have them declawed as well.

Right, and that's the problem. Many people think of declawing as just another procedure to have done to their cats. Neuter, shots, and claws.

Let me put it this way.......

If anyone is going to have a declawing done, let it be at the same time the cat gets fixed.
Double the trauma= no good!

CANAI ----- Do you even own a cat????? I have 7 and 5 are declawed (soon to be 6), 6 are fixed (soon to be 7)....Get that?

Zero problems and all are healthy as hell! Oldest is 13!

Yes I have a cat. I have had several other cats, but I have only one now. I think that you having that many cats declawed is heinous. I get that you don't care about your animals, and you get them declawed as a quick fix to alter their behavior. Why do you have them all declawed?

I'm sorry that I give a fuck about the welfare of my pets. I'm even sorrier to see how few other people feel the same.

Declawing is classified as animal cruelty in much of Europe and other parts of the world. Why do you people continue to defend it? Because it is legal here? That doesn't make it right or humane. Britain is way ahead of us in food quality, medicine, general health etc, so I think those Brits might have an idea of what they are talking about.

edit:
The main point I am trying to make is that declawing is unnecessary mutilation that is done only by lazy or stupid or poorly informed pet owners. Trimming the claws once a week is all that is needed. Declawing may or may not cause long term problems, there are many contradictory studies. That still does not justify doing it, unless there is a real danger to the cat or people due to the claws.

It just really pisses me off when people declaw their pets to stop them from scratching. I'd like to know if any of the people here with declawed cats had a legitimate reason for doing it, or if they all just did it for convenience.

don't stop there. eating meat is akin to what hitler did with the jews. it is a holocaust of living creatures. and all people who partake in such brutality are morally reprehensible sorry excuses for humanity who probably rape their children and at the very least they should not be allowed to own pets.

you vegan? you self righteous little prick?

No, I'm not a god damn vegan. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Declawing is UNNECESSARY mutilation. Are you fucking stupid? Did you read anything I wrote?

The act of declawing an animal is seen as animal cruelty in much of the civilized world. Many countries have banned this act. It is discouraged in America, or at least that is the AVMA's stance on it. Yet you keep defending it.

Oh, and 0roo0roo, you come in this thread spewing a bunch of random bullshit about hitler and jews and the holocaust. Then you call me a self righteous little prick. You have nothing to add to the discussion other than personal insults and shit. Go ahead, keep defending the mutilation. I'd think someone with 40k+ posts would have more tact than to result to prick-related insults. Me, I'm just a stupid noob who doesn't know anything, right? Well, I'm sorry for agreeing with what the rest of the world thinks. American laws and ideals are anything but.

And another thing, what do you have against vegans? If I were vegan, what would you call me? A big prick maybe?

I ask anyone who reads this and has had their cat declawed: Why? Because of scratching? Legitimate reason? IIRC I said that anyone who gets their cats declawed to get them to stop scratching is an idiot and a fool. If there's a real need to have the cat declawed, or if it'll be put to death otherwise, of course it should be done. But to stop it from scratching? Only a lazy fucking idiot who is unfit to have a cat would do that. That's what I'm trying to say.

I'm sorry but I just can't understand what kind of person who 'cares' about their pets gets them maimed for life instead of spending a little time with them every week.

If you can't be bothered to trim your cat's claws once a week, you shouldn't have a god damn cat. Period.

edit: oh, and CorCentral, I'm not European, I just haven't limited my exposure to only American laws and practices. When America does something one way, and most of Europe does it a different way, there's something amiss. Just look at all the chemicals and preservatives that are banned in the EU and are still legal in the US. They know it's bad, and they DO something about it. We Americans know it's bad, but GOD DAMN it's UNAMERICAN not to do it! :roll:

edit2: And aren't personal insults a bannable offense ?

you want to get all self righteous you should get ready to have the mirror turned on yourself. declawing is unnecessary, well perhaps, but owning a pet that requires butchering its genitals so you can keep it captive for your enjoyment is hardly necessary either. you like any other irrational extremist have no sense of reason. you exaggerate and demonize, like an anti fur or anti leather/meat person calling such products murder etc. your reasoning goes right down the same path except that you just conveniently exclude your own behavior. i don't have anything against vegans who do their own thing without getting self righteous and demonizing about it. but a vegan that thought like you would be screaming about how all meat eaters are butchers that are thoughtless cruel and immoral and should have their children taken away.

the simple fact is that you ARE self righteous prick.

it doesn't matter what other countries accept or do not accept. your reasoning is faulty. and frankly those countries are responsible for over 70 million dead in the last century, so really, get over europe. the simple fact is this. declawing has no impact on the quality of life of a cat. it can run around without any crippling effects, it has just lost its weapons. your side has resorted to exaggeration and scare mongering because you know that in the end, there is nothing seriously wrong with it. there is no human equivalence. if we had massive claws that could be taken away with no loss of mobility or dexterity sure, but it doesn't exist. what DOES make a difference is if you mutilate someones genitals as a youngster, it affects their mental and physical development in such a fundamental way declawing cannot even begin to compare. basically you and other wack job cat owners have jumped on this bandwagon and its is just that because you haven't thought it through.

 

[Capt Caveman]

0roo0roo - do you know why all rescue/shelters and responsible breeders require their animals to be spayed/neutered?

All of my dogs are spayed/neutered. None of their personalities changed after the operation. And if it did, it's for the better. I don't have to worry that my male dog will go crazy if he senses a bitch in heat and try to break out of the house, etc to get to her. I also know that there are health benefits to having them spayed/neutered. And lastly, I don't have to worry that they'll add to the animal overpopulation where millions of dogs/cats are euthanized every year b/c people didn't spay/neuter their pets.

 

[ultimatebob]

Heh... You actually think that you can TRAIN a cat to stop clawing things? Ha! At best, you'll teach it not to claw things when you're not around and wait until you leave first

 

[Robor]

I have had cats as pets since I was young. My first 2 were indoor/outdoor cats. Bootsie had the full set of claws and the other had his fronts removed as a kitten. Charlie was declawed up front lived to be around 20 - pretty good for an indoor/outdoor cat - and had a very happy life. Bootsie was causing damage to the house and scratching people. I think I was told he 'ran away' or was 'taken to a farm'. I honestly don't know what happened.

I got another kitten, Perrin, from the pound shortly after getting married. We had him declawed and while I'm sure the procedure was painful to him you never would have known it. The vet told us he would probably be very inactive and may meow when he walked. Nope. He acted the same way he did before his declawing - very playful and active. He was 100% indoors and a great pet until he got a pancreatic disease followed by diabetes. Despite over $2K in vet and animal hospital bills he lived to be only 10 but at least he had a loving home and great life in that short time.

While Perrin was about 4-5 we went to the pound to get him a playmate and wound up coming home with 2 kittens, Flint and Guinness. At first Perrin didn't want anything to do with his new mates but after a week or so he established his dominance and warmed up to them. We had both of them declawed and again they both came home from the procedure no worse for the wear. Guinness soon became Perrin's shadow and preferred his company over ours often sleeping next to or on top of Perrin. Flint was always very affectionate curling up next to us on the couch or in bed. When Perrin passed Guinness turned into a totally different cat. He suddenly became very affectionate which was a surprise to us given his past personality. Unfortunately a few years after Perrin's passing Guinness got sick and had to be euthanasized.

Today we have only Flint left but he's such a great cat we don't need more than one. He's a little over 10 years old now and while he's the lone cat in the house he never seemed to miss his old mates. We thought of getting another cat as company but since he's so happy we decided against it. He shares our house - couch, bed, bathroom, and all. He drinks the same filtered water we do and eats nothing but premium dry cat food, well that and whatever he can beg from us - yes, he actually begs. He's indoors, declawed, and happy.

In short, while some people find it barbaric and inhumane to declaw a cat it's better than the cat not being adopted. To those who say the cat can be adopted by someone who wouldn't declaw them. That's great and all but there's a finite number of people to adopt cats and if you eliminate owners who would declaw you eliminate a lot of possible adoptions. Of course I've actually heard people argue a kitten is better being euthanized than living as a declawed pet. To that I say my cats would strongly disagree.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
0roo0roo - do you know why all rescue/shelters and responsible breeders require their animals to be spayed/neutered?

All of my dogs are spayed/neutered. None of their personalities changed after the operation. And if it did, it's for the better. I don't have to worry that my male dog will go crazy if he senses a bitch in heat and try to break out of the house, etc to get to her. I also know that there are health benefits to having them spayed/neutered. And lastly, I don't have to worry that they'll add to the animal overpopulation where millions of dogs/cats are euthanized every year b/c people didn't spay/neuter their pets.

i'm not against either spay/neutering or declawing. i'm just against those who think its dandy to go on a moral crusade against the one they don't like. as for over population, yea it does put it into context. these people froth at the mouth over well cared for cats that lose their claws when millions of others are put to death.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
0roo0roo - do you know why all rescue/shelters and responsible breeders require their animals to be spayed/neutered?

All of my dogs are spayed/neutered. None of their personalities changed after the operation. And if it did, it's for the better. I don't have to worry that my male dog will go crazy if he senses a bitch in heat and try to break out of the house, etc to get to her. I also know that there are health benefits to having them spayed/neutered. And lastly, I don't have to worry that they'll add to the animal overpopulation where millions of dogs/cats are euthanized every year b/c people didn't spay/neuter their pets.

i'm not against either spay/neutering or declawing. i'm just against those who think its dandy to go on a moral crusade against the one they don't like. as for over population, yea it does put it into context. these people froth at the mouth over well cared for cats that lose their claws when millions of others are put to death.

Did you read anything I posted, or are you just dumb ? Declawing is mutilation that is completely unnecessary. Spaying/neutering lengthens and improves the life of the animals.

Why the fuck can't someone be for neutering (population control, quality of life, etc...) and against declawing (generally done by lazy owners who can't be bothered to trim their cats claws)

If you weren't a moran, you would have read that I am against declawing to prevent the cats from scratching. If there is a good reason to do it, then do it. But to keep the furniture safe, that's just fucking idiotic.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

you want to get all self righteous you should get ready to have the mirror turned on yourself. declawing is unnecessary, well perhaps, but owning a pet that requires butchering its genitals so you can keep it captive for your enjoyment is hardly necessary either. you like any other irrational extremist have no sense of reason. you exaggerate and demonize, like an anti fur or anti leather/meat person calling such products murder etc. your reasoning goes right down the same path except that you just conveniently exclude your own behavior. i don't have anything against vegans who do their own thing without getting self righteous and demonizing about it. but a vegan that thought like you would be screaming about how all meat eaters are butchers that are thoughtless cruel and immoral and should have their children taken away.

the simple fact is that you ARE self righteous prick.

it doesn't matter what other countries accept or do not accept. your reasoning is faulty. and frankly those countries are responsible for over 70 million dead in the last century, so really, get over europe. the simple fact is this. declawing has no impact on the quality of life of a cat. it can run around without any crippling effects, it has just lost its weapons. your side has resorted to exaggeration and scare mongering because you know that in the end, there is nothing seriously wrong with it. there is no human equivalence. if we had massive claws that could be taken away with no loss of mobility or dexterity sure, but it doesn't exist. what DOES make a difference is if you mutilate someones genitals as a youngster, it affects their mental and physical development in such a fundamental way declawing cannot even begin to compare. basically you and other wack job cat owners have jumped on this bandwagon and its is just that because you haven't thought it through.

Quoted as an example of someone that has ABSOLUTELY NO UNDERSTANDING of animals. Many above fit right into this. I hope they have actually owned more than the pets they 'grew up' with that their parent's really cared for.

Spaying/neutering <> the same procedures on a human. Declawing <> to removing finger tips on a human. Comparative anatomy of the two are similar, but vary greatly in function and affect.

Also I find it laughable that mostly veterarians are pro-spay/neuter as well as ANYTHING that will get an animal into a home. Most vets have no problem with declawing.

I think these arguments were created by poor people to justify not having to spend more money on their pets.

Palm Beach County is now going to penalize any dog or cat owner $75 per year if not spayed or neutered.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
0roo0roo - do you know why all rescue/shelters and responsible breeders require their animals to be spayed/neutered?

All of my dogs are spayed/neutered. None of their personalities changed after the operation. And if it did, it's for the better. I don't have to worry that my male dog will go crazy if he senses a bitch in heat and try to break out of the house, etc to get to her. I also know that there are health benefits to having them spayed/neutered. And lastly, I don't have to worry that they'll add to the animal overpopulation where millions of dogs/cats are euthanized every year b/c people didn't spay/neuter their pets.

i'm not against either spay/neutering or declawing. i'm just against those who think its dandy to go on a moral crusade against the one they don't like. as for over population, yea it does put it into context. these people froth at the mouth over well cared for cats that lose their claws when millions of others are put to death.

Did you read anything I posted, or are you just dumb ? Declawing is mutilation that is completely unnecessary. Spaying/neutering lengthens and improves the life of the animals.

Why the fuck can't someone be for neutering (population control, quality of life, etc...) and against declawing (generally done by lazy owners who can't be bothered to trim their cats claws)

If you weren't a moran, you would have read that I am against declawing to prevent the cats from scratching. If there is a good reason to do it, then do it. But to keep the furniture safe, that's just fucking idiotic.

I just don't understand how you can't see the hypocrisy of your views. According to you, maiming an animal is fine, as long as there's no other alternative. Spay/neuter and declawing are both big procedures, it is not like a vasectomy or tubal ligation in humans, you are actually removing most/all of the reproductive organ. In terms of what's being done spay/neuter is much more serious than declawing IMO. The only reason neutering is so widely accepted is because the reason behind it is usually very altruistic: control the pet population so animals don't have to be needlessly euthanized. Basically it's the lesser of two evils. And of course there are medical benefits (reduced risk of cancer in the sex organs, for example), but I guess that's going to happen anytime you remove a part of the body. Once could also make the same argument for declawing, by removing the distal phalanx there's no longer any risk of tumors, infections, etc. in them.

But what bugs me is that, from your posts, I get the impression that your neutered cat is primarily or exclusively an indoor animal. You justify neutering by saying it controls population, but if it's an indoor cat who the hell is it going to mate with? Seems to me that the main reason behind neutering your cat is to prevent it from spraying and engaging in other activies of heat that are inconvenient for the owner. And yet you call people willing to declaw their cat lazy. Hmm...

Also, you mention there is no alternative to neutering, actually there is. If you are so against animals being maimed, yet can't live with them spraying, then your alternative is to not own a cat. It's that simple.