He also doesn't have a f*cking clue what charities he's talking about. He's just assuming things because he's a reactionary moron.
Ooops...there I go getting personal. :roll:
He also doesn't have a f*cking clue what charities he's talking about. He's just assuming things because he's a reactionary moron.Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Fausto
Uh...yeah. Because we all know that any muslim charity is a front for a terrorist orgainization because all muslims are terrorists, right?Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: brock
I've got a new spin on the story, I work in Nashville and the studio next door told me yesterday that he was coming in to record some new stuff this week. Why don't the articles mention WHY he was coming in to the country?
Makes it look like he may have been up to no good, when all he wanted to do was record a new record.
Plus, I'm sure he must've TOLD them that while he was being questioned. How that didn't make it into the articles, I'm not sure...
From what I could gather from the news this morning they commented that his presence on the watch list was because of his fund raising activities for certain Muslim charities. If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, then he does not deserve to enter this country and enjoy it's freedoms to even record a new record.
Your posts never cease to astound me.
He said "certain" charities, not all.
Originally posted by: Fausto
Read carefully. He was accused of doing so while visiting Israel by an Isaeli news site. They wouldn't, of course, have any reason to smear him, now would they?Originally posted by: FoBoT
he gave money to front groups for Hamas , i don't have a problem with keeping him out of the US
better safe than sorry
Originally posted by: Fausto
Uh...yeah. Because we all know that any muslim charity is a front for a terrorist orgainization because all muslims are terrorists, right?Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: brock
I've got a new spin on the story, I work in Nashville and the studio next door told me yesterday that he was coming in to record some new stuff this week. Why don't the articles mention WHY he was coming in to the country?
Makes it look like he may have been up to no good, when all he wanted to do was record a new record.
Plus, I'm sure he must've TOLD them that while he was being questioned. How that didn't make it into the articles, I'm not sure...
From what I could gather from the news this morning they commented that his presence on the watch list was because of his fund raising activities for certain Muslim charities. If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, then he does not deserve to enter this country and enjoy it's freedoms to even record a new record.
Your posts never cease to astound me.
The "charities" that get one added to the watch list have been linked to terrorist organizations somehow Einstein.
Or maybe they're just screwing with him because he's a high-profile muslim male. I guess we'll see if/when they ever tell the media what they were up to.Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Fausto
Read carefully. He was accused of doing so while visiting Israel by an Isaeli news site. They wouldn't, of course, have any reason to smear him, now would they?Originally posted by: FoBoT
he gave money to front groups for Hamas , i don't have a problem with keeping him out of the US
better safe than sorry
i don't think you or I have access to the same information as the US security agencies, so i trust that he was rejected on a valid basis
again, better safe than sorry, just my opinion
Originally posted by: Fausto
Or maybe they're just screwing with him because he's a high-profile muslim male. I guess we'll see if/when they ever tell the media what they were up to.Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Fausto
Read carefully. He was accused of doing so while visiting Israel by an Isaeli news site. They wouldn't, of course, have any reason to smear him, now would they?Originally posted by: FoBoT
he gave money to front groups for Hamas , i don't have a problem with keeping him out of the US
better safe than sorry
i don't think you or I have access to the same information as the US security agencies, so i trust that he was rejected on a valid basis
again, better safe than sorry, just my opinion
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: brock
I've got a new spin on the story, I work in Nashville and the studio next door told me yesterday that he was coming in to record some new stuff this week. Why don't the articles mention WHY he was coming in to the country?
Makes it look like he may have been up to no good, when all he wanted to do was record a new record.
Plus, I'm sure he must've TOLD them that while he was being questioned. How that didn't make it into the articles, I'm not sure...
From what I could gather from the news this morning they commented that his presence on the watch list was because of his fund raising activities for certain Muslim charities. If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, then he does not deserve to enter this country and enjoy it's freedoms to even record a new record.
You mean like the schools he's founded in Britain that have received government funding? I guess the Brits (our 'coalition of the willing') are terrorists too, huh?Originally posted by: Ronstang
The "charities" that get one added to the watch list have been linked to terrorist organizations somehow Einstein.Originally posted by: Fausto
Uh...yeah. Because we all know that any muslim charity is a front for a terrorist orgainization because all muslims are terrorists, right?Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: brock
I've got a new spin on the story, I work in Nashville and the studio next door told me yesterday that he was coming in to record some new stuff this week. Why don't the articles mention WHY he was coming in to the country?
Makes it look like he may have been up to no good, when all he wanted to do was record a new record.
Plus, I'm sure he must've TOLD them that while he was being questioned. How that didn't make it into the articles, I'm not sure...
From what I could gather from the news this morning they commented that his presence on the watch list was because of his fund raising activities for certain Muslim charities. If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, then he does not deserve to enter this country and enjoy it's freedoms to even record a new record.
Your posts never cease to astound me.
Oh noes!!!11!!He became a devout Muslim in the late '70s, ended his musical career and changed his name to Yusuf Islam after deciding that his pop star lifestyle violated Muslim teachings.
In the 1990s, he founded a charity called Small Acts of Kindness, which originally focused on aiding Muslims persecuted in Kosovo. It says it now provides aid and education to those affected by war around the Balkans and in the Middle East.
The group also runs several Muslim schools in London, including the Islamia Primary School, which in 1998 became the first Muslim school in Britain to receive government support, on the same basis as Christian and other sectarian schools.
Originally posted by: Fausto
You mean like the schools he's founded in Britain that have received government funding? I guess the Brits (our 'coalition of the willing') are terrorists too, huh?Originally posted by: Ronstang
The "charities" that get one added to the watch list have been linked to terrorist organizations somehow Einstein.Originally posted by: Fausto
Uh...yeah. Because we all know that any muslim charity is a front for a terrorist orgainization because all muslims are terrorists, right?Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: brock
I've got a new spin on the story, I work in Nashville and the studio next door told me yesterday that he was coming in to record some new stuff this week. Why don't the articles mention WHY he was coming in to the country?
Makes it look like he may have been up to no good, when all he wanted to do was record a new record.
Plus, I'm sure he must've TOLD them that while he was being questioned. How that didn't make it into the articles, I'm not sure...
From what I could gather from the news this morning they commented that his presence on the watch list was because of his fund raising activities for certain Muslim charities. If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, then he does not deserve to enter this country and enjoy it's freedoms to even record a new record.
Your posts never cease to astound me.
Oh noes!!!11!!He became a devout Muslim in the late '70s, ended his musical career and changed his name to Yusuf Islam after deciding that his pop star lifestyle violated Muslim teachings.
In the 1990s, he founded a charity called Small Acts of Kindness, which originally focused on aiding Muslims persecuted in Kosovo. It says it now provides aid and education to those affected by war around the Balkans and in the Middle East.
The group also runs several Muslim schools in London, including the Islamia Primary School, which in 1998 became the first Muslim school in Britain to receive government support, on the same basis as Christian and other sectarian schools.
Originally posted by: Garuda
As far as I'm concerned, financing a known Islamic terrorist network, and openly supporting the death sentence (fatwa) of Salman Rushdie (who had to leave London and move to New York because Islamic mobs there were out to get him), is *more* than reason enough to keep this idiot out of the country.
Originally posted by: Strang
Originally posted by: Garuda
As far as I'm concerned, financing a known Islamic terrorist network, and openly supporting the death sentence (fatwa) of Salman Rushdie (who had to leave London and move to New York because Islamic mobs there were out to get him), is *more* than reason enough to keep this idiot out of the country.
Because both of those things are illegal. :roll:
What part of REPORTEDLY did you miss? Other than Maariv, no one's said boo to that extent. Back under your rock, troll.Originally posted by: Garuda
Originally posted by: Fausto
You mean like the schools he's founded in Britain that have received government funding? I guess the Brits (our 'coalition of the willing') are terrorists too, huh?Originally posted by: Ronstang
The "charities" that get one added to the watch list have been linked to terrorist organizations somehow Einstein.Originally posted by: Fausto
Uh...yeah. Because we all know that any muslim charity is a front for a terrorist orgainization because all muslims are terrorists, right?Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: brock
I've got a new spin on the story, I work in Nashville and the studio next door told me yesterday that he was coming in to record some new stuff this week. Why don't the articles mention WHY he was coming in to the country?
Makes it look like he may have been up to no good, when all he wanted to do was record a new record.
Plus, I'm sure he must've TOLD them that while he was being questioned. How that didn't make it into the articles, I'm not sure...
From what I could gather from the news this morning they commented that his presence on the watch list was because of his fund raising activities for certain Muslim charities. If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, then he does not deserve to enter this country and enjoy it's freedoms to even record a new record.
Your posts never cease to astound me.
Oh noes!!!11!!He became a devout Muslim in the late '70s, ended his musical career and changed his name to Yusuf Islam after deciding that his pop star lifestyle violated Muslim teachings.
In the 1990s, he founded a charity called Small Acts of Kindness, which originally focused on aiding Muslims persecuted in Kosovo. It says it now provides aid and education to those affected by war around the Balkans and in the Middle East.
The group also runs several Muslim schools in London, including the Islamia Primary School, which in 1998 became the first Muslim school in Britain to receive government support, on the same basis as Christian and other sectarian schools.
Good job reading all the posts, nutsack. Here, I'll post it again:
Cat Stevens Deported From Israel
The Associated Press
July 13th, 2000
JERUSALEM (AP) - The man who gained fame as pop star Cat Stevens (Bio) was denied entry into Israel and deported hours after arriving, officials said Thursday - reportedly because he gave money to a militant Islamic group during his last visit.
Defense Ministry officials refused to comment on Yusuf Islam (Bio)'s case other than to say that the Shin Bet, Israel's internal intelligence agency, had ordered the man who wrote such songs as ``Peace Train (Song)'' and ``Wild World (Song)'' barred from the country.
Islam, 51, who changed his name after becoming a Muslim in the late 1970s, last visited Israel in 1988. The government claims that during that trip he delivered tens of thousand of dollars to Hamas, a militant Islamic group, the Maariv daily reported.
Two years later, in 1990, he tried to enter again along with his 8-year-old son but was barred.
This time, the former singer arrived at 2:30 a.m. Wednesday and was detained by airport authorities when his name appeared on a list of people banned from Israel, Maariv reported. It quoted him as telling an Israeli entertainment show, ``They locked me in a two-meter by two-meter cell without water or a bathroom, and then deported me. I don't see any reason for this to happen in a time of peace.''
Airport authorities denied that the former singer was mistreated, Maariv said. They said he was kept in the departure lounge until the plane he arrived on returned to Germany.
The former singer, who was born Stephen Georgiou, took Cat Stevens as a stage name and had a string of hits in the early 1970s. He abandoned his music career in 1977 and changed his name after being persuaded by orthodox Muslim teachers that his lifestyle was forbidden by Islamic law.
He later began teaching and actively spreading the word of his religion, founding a Muslim school in 1983. He made headlines when he supported the death sentence issued by Iran against author Salman Rushdie.
AP-NY-07-13-00 1111EDT
Financing a known Islamic terrorist network, and openly supporting the death sentence (fatwa) of Salman Rushdie (who had to leave London and move to New York because Islamic mobs there were out to get him), is *more* than reason enough to keep this idiot out of the country.
Originally posted by: Garuda
Originally posted by: Fausto
You mean like the schools he's founded in Britain that have received government funding? I guess the Brits (our 'coalition of the willing') are terrorists too, huh?Originally posted by: Ronstang
The "charities" that get one added to the watch list have been linked to terrorist organizations somehow Einstein.Originally posted by: Fausto
Uh...yeah. Because we all know that any muslim charity is a front for a terrorist orgainization because all muslims are terrorists, right?Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: brock
I've got a new spin on the story, I work in Nashville and the studio next door told me yesterday that he was coming in to record some new stuff this week. Why don't the articles mention WHY he was coming in to the country?
Makes it look like he may have been up to no good, when all he wanted to do was record a new record.
Plus, I'm sure he must've TOLD them that while he was being questioned. How that didn't make it into the articles, I'm not sure...
From what I could gather from the news this morning they commented that his presence on the watch list was because of his fund raising activities for certain Muslim charities. If this is true, and I have no reason to believe that it is not, then he does not deserve to enter this country and enjoy it's freedoms to even record a new record.
Your posts never cease to astound me.
Oh noes!!!11!!He became a devout Muslim in the late '70s, ended his musical career and changed his name to Yusuf Islam after deciding that his pop star lifestyle violated Muslim teachings.
In the 1990s, he founded a charity called Small Acts of Kindness, which originally focused on aiding Muslims persecuted in Kosovo. It says it now provides aid and education to those affected by war around the Balkans and in the Middle East.
The group also runs several Muslim schools in London, including the Islamia Primary School, which in 1998 became the first Muslim school in Britain to receive government support, on the same basis as Christian and other sectarian schools.
Good job reading all the posts, nutsack. Here, I'll post it again:
Cat Stevens Deported From Israel
The Associated Press
July 13th, 2000
JERUSALEM (AP) - The man who gained fame as pop star Cat Stevens (Bio) was denied entry into Israel and deported hours after arriving, officials said Thursday - reportedly because he gave money to a militant Islamic group during his last visit.
Defense Ministry officials refused to comment on Yusuf Islam (Bio)'s case other than to say that the Shin Bet, Israel's internal intelligence agency, had ordered the man who wrote such songs as ``Peace Train (Song)'' and ``Wild World (Song)'' barred from the country.
Islam, 51, who changed his name after becoming a Muslim in the late 1970s, last visited Israel in 1988. The government claims that during that trip he delivered tens of thousand of dollars to Hamas, a militant Islamic group, the Maariv daily reported.
Two years later, in 1990, he tried to enter again along with his 8-year-old son but was barred.
This time, the former singer arrived at 2:30 a.m. Wednesday and was detained by airport authorities when his name appeared on a list of people banned from Israel, Maariv reported. It quoted him as telling an Israeli entertainment show, ``They locked me in a two-meter by two-meter cell without water or a bathroom, and then deported me. I don't see any reason for this to happen in a time of peace.''
Airport authorities denied that the former singer was mistreated, Maariv said. They said he was kept in the departure lounge until the plane he arrived on returned to Germany.
The former singer, who was born Stephen Georgiou, took Cat Stevens as a stage name and had a string of hits in the early 1970s. He abandoned his music career in 1977 and changed his name after being persuaded by orthodox Muslim teachers that his lifestyle was forbidden by Islamic law.
He later began teaching and actively spreading the word of his religion, founding a Muslim school in 1983. He made headlines when he supported the death sentence issued by Iran against author Salman Rushdie.
AP-NY-07-13-00 1111EDT
Financing a known Islamic terrorist network, and openly supporting the death sentence (fatwa) of Salman Rushdie (who had to leave London and move to New York because Islamic mobs there were out to get him), is *more* than reason enough to keep this idiot out of the country.
Originally posted by: Garuda
Originally posted by: Strang
Originally posted by: Garuda
As far as I'm concerned, financing a known Islamic terrorist network, and openly supporting the death sentence (fatwa) of Salman Rushdie (who had to leave London and move to New York because Islamic mobs there were out to get him), is *more* than reason enough to keep this idiot out of the country.
Because both of those things are illegal. :roll:
Actually it is illegal to give money to terrorist organizations. I suggest you try it, and see how long you manage to stay out of jail.
Moreover, when deciding who to let into the country, it's not a question of "illegal" or "legal". The first time my cousin applied for a U.S. tourist visa in London, he was denied, because he owned no property and he only had a few thousand pounds in the bank. My cousin is a psychiatrist. They deemed him too much of a risk to stay in the U.S., so they didn't give him a tourist visa. The point is, they deny visas for all kinds of things, most of them much smaller reasons than what they denied Cat Stevens entry for.
Seriously, you have to be on crack if you think they should have actually let this guy in. The U.S. has a responsibility to protect it's own citizens, and Cat Stevens is on record advocating the murder of one of them. That's a pretty huge reason to keep someone out of the US.
I suggest you take a flight to Heathrow, and announce there to customs that you want to stab Tony Blair. See if they let you into the country.
No one else seems to have even mentioned it (I looked) and they certainly have motive to lie their asses off.Originally posted by: Garuda
So if it's a Jewish news agency reporting it, it means that it's a lie?
"reportedly" = not confirmed. Innocent before guilty, imbecile.The use of the word "reportedly" automatically means that the opposite happens?
Wow, you people are geniuses.
Originally posted by: Garuda
So if it's a Jewish news agency reporting it, it means that it's a lie?
The use of the word "reportedly" automatically means that the opposite happens?
Wow, you people are geniuses.
Originally posted by: Fausto
No one else seems to have even mentioned it (I looked) and they certainly have motive to lie their asses off.Originally posted by: Garuda
So if it's a Jewish news agency reporting it, it means that it's a lie?
"reportedly" = not confirmed. Innocent before guilty, imbecile.The use of the word "reportedly" automatically means that the opposite happens?
Wow, you people are geniuses.
Originally posted by: jdini76
His flight was diverted to Bangor, Maine,
uuummm...isn't that in the US?
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Both occured quite a while ago and he was just here in May with no problems to promote a DVD of his Majikat tour.Originally posted by: Garuda
Originally posted by: Fausto
No one else seems to have even mentioned it (I looked) and they certainly have motive to lie their asses off.Originally posted by: Garuda
So if it's a Jewish news agency reporting it, it means that it's a lie?
"reportedly" = not confirmed. Innocent before guilty, imbecile.The use of the word "reportedly" automatically means that the opposite happens?
Wow, you people are geniuses.
They're not trying him a court of law you nitwit. When they decide who to let into the country, any one thing that may deem someone to be a risk is grounds enough to keep them out. It's like going through a checklist. His remarks on record supporting the murder of Salman Rushdie and the government of Israel claiming that he funded Hamas are not two little things, but 2 very large red flags, plenty of grounds to keep him out.
Islam has made a number of trips to the United States in recent years, including one in May for a charity event and to promote a DVD of his 1976 MajiKat tour. He donated half the royalties from his most recent boxed set to the Sept. 11 Fund to help victims of the attacks.
Originally posted by: jdini76
His flight was diverted to Bangor, Maine,
uuummm...isn't that in the US?
Originally posted by: Fausto
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Both occured quite a while ago and he was just here in May with no problems to promote a DVD of his Majikat tour.Originally posted by: Garuda
Originally posted by: Fausto
No one else seems to have even mentioned it (I looked) and they certainly have motive to lie their asses off.Originally posted by: Garuda
So if it's a Jewish news agency reporting it, it means that it's a lie?
"reportedly" = not confirmed. Innocent before guilty, imbecile.The use of the word "reportedly" automatically means that the opposite happens?
Wow, you people are geniuses.
They're not trying him a court of law you nitwit. When they decide who to let into the country, any one thing that may deem someone to be a risk is grounds enough to keep them out. It's like going through a checklist. His remarks on record supporting the murder of Salman Rushdie and the government of Israel claiming that he funded Hamas are not two little things, but 2 very large red flags, plenty of grounds to keep him out.
LMAO....you're reaching just a bit. Nice try tho. :laugh:Originally posted by: Garuda
Originally posted by: Fausto
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Both occured quite a while ago and he was just here in May with no problems to promote a DVD of his Majikat tour.Originally posted by: Garuda
Originally posted by: Fausto
No one else seems to have even mentioned it (I looked) and they certainly have motive to lie their asses off.Originally posted by: Garuda
So if it's a Jewish news agency reporting it, it means that it's a lie?
"reportedly" = not confirmed. Innocent before guilty, imbecile.The use of the word "reportedly" automatically means that the opposite happens?
Wow, you people are geniuses.
They're not trying him a court of law you nitwit. When they decide who to let into the country, any one thing that may deem someone to be a risk is grounds enough to keep them out. It's like going through a checklist. His remarks on record supporting the murder of Salman Rushdie and the government of Israel claiming that he funded Hamas are not two little things, but 2 very large red flags, plenty of grounds to keep him out.
Did it occur to you that maybe they fvcked up in letting him in that time?
And it makes no difference how long ago either of them happened. Last I checked, they're still busting Nazis and revoking their American citizenships for what they did in WWII.
Originally posted by: jjones
I have no problem with what they've done. He's had some activity which has made him suspect, regardless of whether or not there is any foundation to the suspicions. No one is saying that he is a terrorist, and no one has incarcerated him, but they are saying that it is just not desirable for the US government to allow his entry. He is not a US citizen and therefore has absolutely no rights regarding entry into the country.