Muslims are a race now?
<---Didn't get the memo
* Note I did not say all Muslims, just Orthodox's that make sh!t up
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Nitemare
"He has criticized terrorist acts by Muslims, including the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the school seizure in Beslan, Russia, earlier this month that left more than 300 dead, nearly half of them children. "
and yet he is an Orthodox Muslim....
Isn't that an oxymoron or something?
That's an easily made assumption... if you're a racist.
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh wow, do you have news sources that no one else is priviledged to?Originally posted by: ThePresence
Kindly refrain from commenting on a subject that you don't have a clue about.Originally posted by: Vic
And the Jews are building concentration camps for him and the other "evil" Palestinians. Your point?
I do have a clue about these things, it's you I think who doesn't. If someone came onto my land, took it from me for no other reason but my ethnicity, bulldozed my house right in front of me with everything I owned inside, and then threw me and my family homeless and penniless onto the street... well, I might feel pretty murderous about that too. Pretty much basic human nature right there. You treat people like animals, you get an animal response.
Now the Israelis are walling the Palestinians in. Do you deny this? Or how else do I not have a clue? The irony of this is not lost on me.
As for Cat Stevens, the Israeli government has no evidence that he gave any money to anyone. When your cause is not peace, then peace activists do indeed become your enemy.
WTF are you talking about? First off, you should know that I lived there and served there, so yes, I might have a source for my news that you are not privleged to. It's called first-hand information, things that I've seen with my own two eyes, not as a quick little biased soundbite on CNN. Do we really have to go into another history lesson about the UN partition plan? Nobody took anything from anyone based on their ethnicity. They were BOUGHT before '48. WTF are you talking about? Do you know that most of the houses that are bulldozed are houses of terrorists trying to kill innocent women and children? Cry me a river, I don't give a damn if they lose their house, maybe another innocent family is sleeping on this Planet tonight because of it. Do you know what would happen in the US if someone just decided to build a house without a permit? They are not treated like animals unless they ACT like animals. The checkpoints are there to protect innocent people from bombs blowing up on schoolbuses and the like. Do innocent Palestinians suffer? Sure, and it sucks. But blame the terrorists for bringing it upon their people. Israel has no choice but to protect themselves. I don't know much about Cat Stevens which is why I didn't comment on this, kinda similiar to how you should not have commented on something you do not know too much about.
Originally posted by: Fausto
No one else seems to have even mentioned it (I looked) and they certainly have motive to lie their asses off.Originally posted by: Garuda
So if it's a Jewish news agency reporting it, it means that it's a lie?
"reportedly" = not confirmed. Innocent before guilty, imbecile.The use of the word "reportedly" automatically means that the opposite happens?
Wow, you people are geniuses.
The Jews? Oh, you must mean the Israelis. Not all Jews are Israelis, please realize the difference. I see you saying "Palestinians", not "Arabs" or "Muslims".Originally posted by: C'DaleRider
That sentence reminds me of what the Jews are doing in the occupied Palestinean lands. Notice occupied, lands that were given to Palestine to create a home state......taken in the name of security for Israel.
Oh please. After every paper that the Palestinians sign, bomb blasts go off all over the place. If they don't keep to anything, why the heck should Israel? Whatever Israel pledged in any document they signed always hinged on -if the bombings and violence stop. That has never happened. It's a two way street.And dispite all the "peace accords" Israel continues to sign with provisions for STOPPING building settlements on occupied Palestinian land and tearing down the ones that exist now, they continue to build and build. Heck, that'd piss me off a tad, too.
It has not raged for millenia. It started with the Hebron massacre in 1929. And stop talking about the "Jews" acting differently from what they signed without mentioning how many thousands of times Arafat pledged to stop the violence and continues to instigate violence. Heck, Fatah and Al Asqa brigades are his personal terrorist army.As far as the Arab/Jewish conflict, it has raged for millenia and probably will as long as we are alive and longer, especially if the Jews continue to sign "promises" on paper but act 180 degrees differently.
I am not a supporter of most of the settlements, I think in the long run they do more harm then good. But don't lay the blame on Israel. Israel has no reason to honor a blasted thing they signed to when the Palestinians have never honored anything that THEY signed on. Like I said before, whatever Israel pledged in any document they signed always hinged on if the bombings and violence stop and that has never happened.Hell, Bush just yesterday while addressing the U.N. again spoke to the need for Israel to STOP building settlements on occupied land............and will probably fall on deaf ears. Now how can all this illegal building help their situation at all? It won't and many times it seems Israel just wants to create more problems to give justification for deadly force.
I understand why you feel that way. I may have felt the same way if I had not lived there and seen for myself what was really happening.Of course, we, the U.S., is partly responsible for their continued ignoring of what they have repeatedly signed......we continue to funnel funds, arms, and who knows what else no matter how Israel acts. So why should Israel act any different......there seem to be no consequences for their actions. (And we seem to need Israel to do our "dirty work" in the Middle East........the sale of hundreds of "bunker buster" bombs recently to Israel seems to point to Israel being "sent" to take out the Iranian nuclear enrichment underground facilities.........something we cannot be seen doing without dragging ourselves into another war, but probably the war we should have started, not with Iraq.....but that's another thread.)
Yes indeed. Israel fired upon a group of terrorists on their way to carry out an attack. Should they have let the attack go on, let more innocent people die first so that the blame for breaking the cease fire would go on the Palestinians instead? I don't think so.I'm not condoning what the Palestinians do...........far from it. But I seem to remember they did in fact start a cease fire a year or two ago on the proviso that Israel tear down illegal settlements and stop building new ones. Well, Israel did tear down a few, but built more to replace them. The Palestinians reacted months later the only way Israel seems to understand (or both sides seem to understand........), with force.
If Israel was intent on destroying the Palestinians, it would take them about 5 minutes.It's sad really.........no matter who tries to broker a peace over there, both sides seem intent on the total destruciton of the other.
Originally posted by: Gurck
Hope the door doesn't hit him in the ass too hard on the way out
Originally posted by: Fausto
See above. He was just here four months ago.
Originally posted by: Hammer
you don't know where his money goes or what "charities" he supports. i'm not saying he's done anything wrong, but i don't think anyone here can judge since no one has all the facts or his fbi file.