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[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Why the negativity? ATI release new drivers every month without fail, and they provide various performance enhancements and improvements. When they state they do include performance gains, you all immediately claim that they 'cheated' and assume they are filthy liars. I have not encountered any problems wth the CCC and this driver is fine as most are. People having problems should correctly clean their old drivers before installing, use Drivercleaner availiable at Driverheaven Every new release Rollo is always first to tell you how crap they are and point out anything negative. If ATI have such 'Old GPU tech' why do they more than keep up with Nv and often best them in game benchmarks? Keep an open mind.

I wasn't aware that the X850XT could even keep up with the 7800GTX at high res + AA and AF. What do you mean often best them.

I applaud ATI for releasing drivers every month... much easier to keep track of. However, this is getting ridiculous. An architecture that is based off of 3 older architecture should not be continuosly be getting performance gains. Just give it all at once and stop saying "Oh.... we forgot here is another 5% in special circumstances"

Also, remember that these enormous (if they exist) performance gains exist onlly for the Hyper Memory Cards, not your traditional 9800Pros.

Finally, wow a 100 point increase in 3dMark. THat really excites me because now i know that has a big impact on my actual gaming experience. Bench with some games for god sake.

-Kevin

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Why the negativity? ATI release new drivers every month without fail, and they provide various performance enhancements and improvements. When they state they do include performance gains, you all immediately claim that they 'cheated' and assume they are filthy liars. I have not encountered any problems wth the CCC and this driver is fine as most are. People having problems should correctly clean their old drivers before installing, use Drivercleaner availiable at Driverheaven Every new release Rollo is always first to tell you how crap they are and point out anything negative. If ATI have such 'Old GPU tech' why do they more than keep up with Nv and often best them in game benchmarks? Keep an open mind.

I wasn't aware that the X850XT could even keep up with the 7800GTX at high res + AA and AF. What do you mean often best them.

I applaud ATI for releasing drivers every month... much easier to keep track of. However, this is getting ridiculous. An architecture that is based off of 3 older architecture should not be continuosly be getting performance gains. Just give it all at once and stop saying "Oh.... we forgot here is another 5% in special circumstances"

Also, remember that these enormous (if they exist) performance gains exist onlly for the Hyper Memory Cards, not your traditional 9800Pros.

Finally, wow a 100 point increase in 3dMark. THat really excites me because now i know that has a big impact on my actual gaming experience. Bench with some games for god sake.

-Kevin

3 year old tech. How many generations came from the 9700? Of course your gonna have to exclude refreshes as the arent new gen.

How many generations has nVidia been through now? 2, just the same as nVidia!

 

[coomar]

thanks for the drivecleaner link

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
i love 3dmark 2001! but the car game always crashes after i get by the robot.

lol....that's weird. i always had problems w/ 3dmark05

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
It did give the increase they said it would, under certain circumstances. Which anyone with a brain should have been able to figure out themselves.

Big deal. If they replace some shaders on Doom3 so black looks brown, you want me to cheer when they call that "big increases with new drivers"?

Like I said, on an old as dirt gpu, you don't get "big increases" across the board unless a. they weren't doing their job for the years before b.they're lowering IQ and hoping you don't notice.

I'd be just as skeptical if nVidia released drivers and said "Big fps increases for the Ti4600!" and then someone posted "It only in certain circumstances".
:roll:

They didnt say the increase would be across the board. The fact is, they did get the claimed speed increase, under certain circumstances. If people arent smart enough to read thru PR, thats their own fault.

Just as people should know better about P4 adds, with HT saying how much better they are than their competition. Just as people should know better than NVs add of needing them to play Farcry the way it should be when it first came out.

These "increases" almost always only happen on lower end cards. Anyone who expected them to be across the board is ignorant, plain and simple.

Should have known you would be in here badmouthing ATi, when you dont even own a ATi card. Going for a record of how many times you say say ATi's tech is old? It doesnt matter how old it is, still plays games great. Just as great as NV's until the 7800. I wonder if you will ever say such a thing about NVs cards, since they are pushing 1.5 years on the same tech. I think we all know the answer to that one.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Should have known you would be in here badmouthing ATi, when you dont even own a ATi card.

That is except for the fact that he commonly statees that he owned a 9700 a 9800 and an X800XT :roll:

3 year old tech. How many generations came from the 9700? Of course your gonna have to exclude refreshes as the arent new gen.

How many generations has nVidia been through now? 2, just the same as nVidia!

OK well lets look at this

9700Pro - 1 Year - 1 Year Total
9800's - 1 Year - 2 Years Total
X800's - 1 Year - 3 Years Total

I never said it was the same architecture all throughout, however when youh look at it it is. It is just heavily tweaked and modified to improve on the weak areas, there is nothing wrong with that. However when they do not upgrade the feature set (SM3 need i say more) that much is when people start complaining about architecture. ANd dont even say that the 9800 was a referesh because it was not. A refresh does not sit for an entire product cycle. Now the 9800XT compared to the 9800Pro was a refresh and was, therefore, not counted.

Last i checked Nvidia is just over 1 year on the same architecture. The 6800 series was not built off of the Geforce FX. However the Geforce 7 series is directly related to the Geforce 6 series.... they simply built on its weak points, once again nothing wrong with this. Had SM4/ WGF been out and ATI came out with a new architecture with support and Nvidia had built off of the old one they would get the same complaining.

The second paragraph, Ackmed, is incomprehensible. I have no idea what you are attempting to type or what point you are trying to make. As far as i know Far Cry has merely been a demanding game for both companies.

-Kevin

 

[jdogg707]

ATi has to try and bring about some excitement to their product line, since they have been unable to bring anything new to the table in order to best nVidia's current offerings. Who really cares? For the people who have the cards that benefit from performance increases, I say enjoy your free performance. To those with nVidia cards, what is the point in arguing, let things be. In the mean time, I will enjoy gaming on my 7800GTX...

 

[ZimZum]

Jesus, A thread about a driver release turns into yet another ATI vs nVidia thread. Good jobs guys, well done.

 

[BFG10K]

ATi releases drivers that potentially improve performance and nV fanboys start slamming them. But when nVidia releases faster drivers their engineers are "masterfully talented".

:roll:

I'd be just as skeptical if nVidia released drivers and said "Big fps increases for the Ti4600!" and then someone posted "It only in certain circumstances".

No you wouldn't. You'd praise nVidia's driver support for supporting older cards and then slam ATi for not providing performance gains for the likes of the original Radeon.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Should have known you would be in here badmouthing ATi, when you dont even own a ATi card.

That is except for the fact that he commonly statees that he owned a 9700 a 9800 and an X800XT :roll:

3 year old tech. How many generations came from the 9700? Of course your gonna have to exclude refreshes as the arent new gen.

How many generations has nVidia been through now? 2, just the same as nVidia!

OK well lets look at this

9700Pro - 1 Year - 1 Year Total
9800's - 1 Year - 2 Years Total
X800's - 1 Year - 3 Years Total

I never said it was the same architecture all throughout, however when youh look at it it is. It is just heavily tweaked and modified to improve on the weak areas, there is nothing wrong with that. However when they do not upgrade the feature set (SM3 need i say more) that much is when people start complaining about architecture. ANd dont even say that the 9800 was a referesh because it was not. A refresh does not sit for an entire product cycle. Now the 9800XT compared to the 9800Pro was a refresh and was, therefore, not counted.

Last i checked Nvidia is just over 1 year on the same architecture. The 6800 series was not built off of the Geforce FX. However the Geforce 7 series is directly related to the Geforce 6 series.... they simply built on its weak points, once again nothing wrong with this. Had SM4/ WGF been out and ATI came out with a new architecture with support and Nvidia had built off of the old one they would get the same complaining.

The second paragraph, Ackmed, is incomprehensible. I have no idea what you are attempting to type or what point you are trying to make. As far as i know Far Cry has merely been a demanding game for both companies.

-Kevin

I would have taken the 9800 a refresh as they wanted to compete with nVidia bringing out the 5900 after the 5800 which the 9700 was competing against. And it only came out around 6 months after the 9700 which again i wouldnt take as a new generation of cards...

Did the 9800 have a new series of mid and low budget cards to go with it? No. So i would have thought that the 9800 would be a refresh of the 9700 to make a higher performing card. Just like what ATi did with the X800 to X850.

But thats opinions really.

But why arent we all flaming nVidia for not putting more tech into their 7800?

Isnt the 6800 to 7800 just like the 9800 to X800. A refinement of the architecture...

 

[Cookie Monster]

Refinement, but not really the same as 9800 to X800.

Heck, its not even an refinement, but defitinetly next gen. Why?

Power consumption is lower as well as its scalability to consume very little power running 2d mode while still similiar power consumption are needed as an 6800 ultra and power hungry X850 XT (consumes more power than any other single card)

Produces less heat (remember people complaining that the G70 is going to be one hot chip with the picture of the burnt edges around the die?) and is designed as a single slot solution. Less noisy as well.

Performance is amazing. Just amazing. And whats more intriguing is the fact the 7 series has 3 different clocks for vertex, geometry, ROP etc. Now think about overclocking this card. You have the option to overclock the main factor of incresing performance on a specific software, insteading of OCing just one main clock.

But look at the transition from 9800 to X850. Consumes like twice more power, dual slot, added more pipelines and vertex shaders, and increased clock speeds, pretty much a speed bump.

The G70 is just so much better in ALL aspects, there is almost NOTHING to complain about, but price. Reducing power, heat, noise etc its all techonology, not just shader models, DX and etc. And anyhow the 7800 supports WGF 1.0, so you dont have to worry about long horn.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Refinement, but not really the same as 9800 to X800.

Heck, its not even an refinement, but defitinetly next gen. Why?

Power consumption is lower as well as its scalability to consume very little power running 2d mode while still similiar power consumption are needed as an 6800 ultra and power hungry X850 XT (consumes more power than any other single card)

Produces less heat (remember people complaining that the G70 is going to be one hot chip with the picture of the burnt edges around the die?) and is designed as a single slot solution. Less noisy as well.

Performance is amazing. Just amazing. And whats more intriguing is the fact the 7 series has 3 different clocks for vertex, geometry, ROP etc. Now think about overclocking this card. You have the option to overclock the main factor of incresing performance on a specific software, insteading of OCing just one main clock.

But look at the transition from 9800 to X850. Consumes like twice more power, dual slot, added more pipelines and vertex shaders, and increased clock speeds, pretty much a speed bump.

The G70 is just so much better in ALL aspects, there is almost NOTHING to complain about, but price. Reducing power, heat, noise etc its all techonology, not just shader models, DX and etc. And anyhow the 7800 supports WGF 1.0, so you dont have to worry about long horn.

Well actually i was just stating what nVidia have said. In an interview they asked why there was no new tech. And the nVidia guy said this gen they wanted to refine and enhance their architecture.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Isnt h.264 new tech? They said they wil support it in future driver releases.. even WGF1.0??

 

[CheesePoofs]

How about we use this thread to talk about the Catalyst 5.7 drivers, not how bad ati or nvidia is.

Anyone know if they fix any of the BF2 issues (corruption, no AA, crashes, etc?)

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Why the negativity? ATI release new drivers every month without fail, and they provide various performance enhancements and improvements. Every new release Rollo is always first to tell you how crap they are and point out anything negative.

It should be easy for you to find another post where I've done so then? I can't remember flaming an ATI driver since the infamous Humus tweaks.

If ATI have such 'Old GPU tech' why do they more than keep up with Nv and often best them in game benchmarks? Keep an open mind.

They don't. 6800GT SLI, 6800U SLI, 7800GTX, and 7800GTX SLI all smoke all ATI cards in any benchmark, usually by a lot.

I'll re-open my mind when I have a R520 in my second rig and it shows itself worthy.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Should have known you would be in here badmouthing ATi, when you dont even own a ATi card. Going for a record of how many times you say say ATi's tech is old? It doesnt matter how old it is, still plays games great. Just as great as NV's until the 7800.

Hmmm, that's odd. I didn't know running SC:CT in SM1.1, Riddick without soft shadows, Lego Star Wars without shadows, and Far Cry without HDR was as "as good"?

I guess "as good" now means "without the ability to see all options of the game"?

 

[Ackmed]

Considering its not playable, I would say so. Having to drop the res, to get close to playable, is not a viable "feature" to me. Also, for the millionth time, it doesnt look better to everyone. I dont like how Farcry looks most of the time with HDR.

Not to mention you trade HDR for AA. Which is not worth it to everyone, myself included.

But hey, good job throwing this off topic. Shouldnt even have clicked this thread, but you cant pass up trashing ATi.

 

[BFG10K]

They don't. 6800GT SLI, 6800U SLI, 7800GTX, and 7800GTX SLI all smoke all ATI cards in any benchmark, usually by a lot.

That's just BS and you know it. The X850 is faster than a 6800U SLI in some cases.

I didn't know running SC:CT in SM1.1, Riddick without soft shadows, Lego Star Wars without shadows, and Far Cry without HDR was as "as good"?

You would you know this how? None of those games were in your list of three that you've finished in the last six months.

Not to mention that you claimed you run games at 1920x1440 with 8x/4x which would give you what, 10 FPS average on your rig with those settings?

So which is it Rollo?

Are you running low resolution 1999 settings or are you not even using any of the features you continually parrot?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Cmon BFG i know you aren't stupid. You know full well that the X850 is only faster than the SLI parts at really low resolution or games where SLI does not fully work.

Not to mention you trade HDR for AA. Which is not worth it to everyone, myself included.

WHich is a flaw of that implementation of HDR and has nothing to do with Nvidia. THey simply support it, which is more than you can say for ATI.

Considering its not playable, I would say so. Having to drop the res, to get close to playable, is not a viable "feature" to me. Also, for the millionth time, it doesnt look better to everyone. I dont like how Farcry looks most of the time with HDR.

Well lets see if you jump all the way to 16x12 on last gen cards and enable HDR then, yeah it wont be playable. However, the 7800's do just fine.
Just because it doesn't look better to you doesn't mean it isn't an IQ enhancing feature, it just doesn't appeal to all people.

snt h.264 new tech? They said they wil support it in future driver releases.. even WGF1.0??

H.264 acceleration is supported in the 77.72 driver release. I have not heard of WGF1.0 compliance, but im sure ATI and Nvidia have a much better idea (in ATI's case might actually know already) of the specs it will require.

Did the 9800 have a new series of mid and low budget cards to go with it?

Actually, one could argue that the 9600's were the new series of cards. With the 9700's you had the 9500's as your mid range card. With the 9800's you had the 9600's as your midrange card. It was definitely a refinement of architecure which went on to last a year. It is not a refresh.

Well actually i was just stating what nVidia have said. In an interview they asked why there was no new tech. And the nVidia guy said this gen they wanted to refine and enhance their architecture.

I see what you are getting at. But if you think about it, there were no new standards, really no new features that Nvidia could add support for that weren't already on the list. Had ATI have added (last generation) FP32, SM3, Soft Shadows etc.... i would have jumped right on them and proclaimed them better, but last gen was a toss-up really; the X800's while leading in speed by a respectable amount, didn't have quite as many features as Nvidia had.

As for the refinement of the architecture, in a nutshell it is the same thing as ATI did. Nvidia might have gone a little deeper in some areas than ATI did as there weren't many Pixel Pipelines and Vertex Pipelines to add, but all in all it is essentially the same thing.

In fact if there is no new standard released next year (which i highly doubt) i wouldn't expoect ATI or Nvidia to release an entirely new architecture.

-Kevin

 

[imported_Bleh]

Alright trying to get back on subject about the drivers and stop this ATI vs Nvidia BS, I installed the 5.7 drivers and they seem to play BF2 smoother than the 5.6 drivers (ie less lag at the beginning due to ram load up - possible video card memory tweak?). So overall I like the new 5.7's.

 

[Viper96720]

No work with a 9500Pro and cs:source here. start a game and move around a little and game freezes. Went back to 4.12's

 

[blckgrffn]

The 9500 Pros always seemed a little quircky to me, find the driver set that works, and use it I never was able to play COD on my 9500 Pro...

Nat

 

[Thor86]

Every since 5.6, I've got some .wmv files that play back with corrupted colours/images. For example the HL2 HDR wmv file. And now the 5.7 also do this. I went back to 5.5, and no problems with playback.

 

[Aries64]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Why the negativity? ATI release new drivers every month without fail, and they provide various performance enhancements and improvements. Every new release Rollo is always first to tell you how crap they are and point out anything negative.

It should be easy for you to find another post where I've done so then? I can't remember flaming an ATI driver since the infamous Humus tweaks.

If ATI have such 'Old GPU tech' why do they more than keep up with Nv and often best them in game benchmarks? Keep an open mind.

They don't. 6800GT SLI, 6800U SLI, 7800GTX, and 7800GTX SLI all smoke all ATI cards in any benchmark, usually by a lot.

I'll re-open my mind when I have a R520 in my second rig and it shows itself worthy.

Rollo, you are shading the numbers and twisting facts by using SLI configurations for comparison. Not exactly "fair" comparing SLI configurations (current or last-gen) to last gen single card ATI stuff, wouldn't you agree? Since I know that you have owned and used last-gen cards from both ATI and Nvidia and have praised and smacked both brands I know that you are not one of these silly fanboys' so common on this forum I am curious as to why you would make this comparison. Is the Dark Side controlling you?

Anyone who is reasonably intelligent and possessed with decent reading comprehension skills knows that I am not a fanboy either. However, my question is valid. Why would you compare SLI configuration Nvidia numbers (last-gen or even worse, current-gen) to last-gen ATI. Even newbies should know that Nvidia will win these scenarios, especially when settings are cranked up and you are playing at high resolution as most games are meant to be played at.

And, for anyone reading this (not directed at Rollo) its too bad that fanboism has turned another thread that could have been useful to some into another "ATI vs Nvidia" thread. Pathetic.

 

[jeffrey]

Any reviews of the 5.7s yet?