Catholic Church, founded by Jesus

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera
I think that would result in some severely confused kids. Case and point.

You'll get no argument from me. I was just pointing out a fact.

Like all the public school kids are just as with it?

I never said that. I was agreeing that raising a kid with one religion, while sending him to a school who's main mission is to indoctrinate them into their own religion can cause some serious confusion.

Well, I think I'm intelligent enough to decide my own beliefs, thank you very much!

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have such factually twisted view of religious history.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera
I think that would result in some severely confused kids. Case and point.

You'll get no argument from me. I was just pointing out a fact.

Like all the public school kids are just as with it?

I never said that. I was agreeing that raising a kid with one religion, while sending him to a school who's main mission is to indoctrinate them into their own religion can cause some serious confusion.

Well, I think I'm intelligent enough to decide my own beliefs, thank you very much!

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have such factually twisted view of religious history.

What does historical fact have to do with theological beliefs/view?

 

[Kadarin]

Jesus himself would probably be utterly horrified at what the Catholic Church is now.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera
I think that would result in some severely confused kids. Case and point.

You'll get no argument from me. I was just pointing out a fact.

Like all the public school kids are just as with it?

I never said that. I was agreeing that raising a kid with one religion, while sending him to a school who's main mission is to indoctrinate them into their own religion can cause some serious confusion.

Well, I think I'm intelligent enough to decide my own beliefs, thank you very much!

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have such factually twisted view of religious history.

What does historical fact have to do with theological beliefs/view?

Everything.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera
I think that would result in some severely confused kids. Case and point.

You'll get no argument from me. I was just pointing out a fact.

Like all the public school kids are just as with it?

I never said that. I was agreeing that raising a kid with one religion, while sending him to a school who's main mission is to indoctrinate them into their own religion can cause some serious confusion.

Well, I think I'm intelligent enough to decide my own beliefs, thank you very much!

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have such factually twisted view of religious history.

What does historical fact have to do with theological beliefs/view?

Everything.

It's very easy for you to troll and make up $hit isnt it?

 

[AMDZen]

The entire teachings of Christ go against everything the Catholic Church believes in.

In other words, the Catholic Church stands for everything that Christ preached against.

He didn't want a heirechy, he didn't want brick and mortar buildings, he didn't want the very concept of the church as we know it. Especially that of the Catholic Church. He even preached against it, the entire bible is littered with it, he knew that if the church was built on the structure that the Catholic Church is built on, that it would become what it became in the middle ages. The church had WAYYY too much power, and it still does if you ask me. Jesus made it an explicit point to preach against such power and such structure because he knew what would happen, and also made it a specific poitn that all who worshiped him should do it in nature and without walls.

That being said, I could care less because I don't consider myself Christian.

 

[krcat1]

Originally posted by: Krk3561
The ignorance in this thread is astounding, it has caused me lose hope in society.

The Catholic Church was established by Jesus. Read the bible.

Matthew 16:18: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church."

I'm fvcking Jewish and even I know this.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_the_Rock.asp

Most Protestants believe that what Christ was refering to was the 'rock' of faith Peter expressed by stating that Jesus was the Christ, not that Peter himself was the founder of the Church.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
The entire teachings of Christ go against everything the Catholic Church believes in.

In other words, the Catholic Church stands for everything that Christ preached against.

He didn't want a heirechy, he didn't want brick and mortar buildings, he didn't want the very concept of the church as we know it. Especially that of the Catholic Church. He even preached against it, the entire bible is littered with it, he knew that if the church was built on the structure that the Catholic Church is built on, that it would become what it became in the middle ages. The church had WAYYY too much power, and it still does if you ask me. Jesus made it an explicit point to preach against such power and such structure because he knew what would happen, and also made it a specific poitn that all who worshiped him should do it in nature and without walls.

That being said, I could care less because I don't consider myself Christian.

Even if that is true, it doesnt change the fact that Jesus established the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Nimloth]

I think if Jesus would be alive today he wouldn't endorse a single religion existing today. As a matter of fact our society would probably lock him up in a mental institution.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera
I think that would result in some severely confused kids. Case and point.

You'll get no argument from me. I was just pointing out a fact.

Like all the public school kids are just as with it?

I never said that. I was agreeing that raising a kid with one religion, while sending him to a school who's main mission is to indoctrinate them into their own religion can cause some serious confusion.

Well, I think I'm intelligent enough to decide my own beliefs, thank you very much!

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have such factually twisted view of religious history.

What does historical fact have to do with theological beliefs/view?

Everything.

It's very easy for you to troll and make up $hit isnt it?

Jesus and Peter had NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church.

the concept of "Church" as used by the New Testament is ENTIRELY different from the concept of the word "Church" as used today.

The ROMAN CATHOLIC church was founded by CONSTANTINE (hence ROMAN CATHOLIC).

Jesus never founded a single church. again, the word "CHURCH" wasn't even known at the time of Christ.

the word e????s?a (Transliterated Ekklesia)

"We find the word ecclesia used in the following senses in the
New Testament: (1.) It is translated "assembly" in the ordinary classical sense
(Acts 19:32, 39, 41). " (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=church)

to go from "assembly" as in an assembly of people with a common belief to what the Catholic church as become today is a stretch.

the concept of church evolved over many years.

I have a Masters in Theology. this doesn't make me the end all, but yes, i have done a relatively thorough studying and have a pretty good idea of religious history.

Roman Catholic Church was not started, founded, created or based on Peter. the roman catholic church did not even come into being until well after peters death.

ALL christians claim lineage to Christ, OBVIOUSLY, otherwise how could they claim to be "Christian". but there is not direct or even indirect organizational link between the Roman Catholic Church and Peter.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: exilera
I think that would result in some severely confused kids. Case and point.

You'll get no argument from me. I was just pointing out a fact.

Like all the public school kids are just as with it?

I never said that. I was agreeing that raising a kid with one religion, while sending him to a school who's main mission is to indoctrinate them into their own religion can cause some serious confusion.

Well, I think I'm intelligent enough to decide my own beliefs, thank you very much!

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have such factually twisted view of religious history.

What does historical fact have to do with theological beliefs/view?

Everything.

It's very easy for you to troll and make up $hit isnt it?

Please provide one "made up" item I have posted.

You cannot logically make a judgment on what belief you choose to follow based on false info, or ignorance.

If you made financial decisions the same way, you'd be broke. If you made medical decisions the same way, you'd be dead.

And yet, you seem to have no trouble basing the core belief your life revolves around on ignorance and bad info.

 

[Mucho]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
The Catholic Church wasn't "founded" by Jesus, Jesus established Christianity.

Then, in about 600 A.D., the Bishop of Rome broke off his little "section" of the religion and called it the Catholic Church, and started calling himself the Pope.

Orthodox Christianity is the closest form of Christianity to what really existed after Christ said "Go forth and preach to all nations".

This is the only sensible post in this stupid thread.

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: Krk3561

Originally posted by: AMDZen
The entire teachings of Christ go against everything the Catholic Church believes in.

In other words, the Catholic Church stands for everything that Christ preached against.

He didn't want a heirechy, he didn't want brick and mortar buildings, he didn't want the very concept of the church as we know it. Especially that of the Catholic Church. He even preached against it, the entire bible is littered with it, he knew that if the church was built on the structure that the Catholic Church is built on, that it would become what it became in the middle ages. The church had WAYYY too much power, and it still does if you ask me. Jesus made it an explicit point to preach against such power and such structure because he knew what would happen, and also made it a specific poitn that all who worshiped him should do it in nature and without walls.

That being said, I could care less because I don't consider myself Christian.

Even if that is true, it doesnt change the fact that Jesus established the Roman Catholic Church.

It should be said that the RCC believes this to be true. Many in Protestantism feel that Jesus was addressing Peters statement of faith that Jesus was the Christ. It is not necessarily a fact that the 'Church' was instituted at that point in time.

 

[Stark]

it helps to put the quote in context...

Matthew 16

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" 14 They answered, "Some say you are John the Baptizer, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He asked them, "But who do you say I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God!" 17 Jesus replied, "Simon, son of Jonah, you are blessed! No human revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven revealed it to you. 18 You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it.

The question Jesus poses is: "who do you say that I am?"
Peter's answer: "The Messiah, Son of God."
It is on this answer to a question of faith that Jesus built his church, not specifically on the person who gave the answer. The job of the church is to teach the world who Jesus is.

While the Roman (Catholic) church has had a large and important role in bringing the gospel message from a tiny Jewish sect in the first century to the rest of the world today, I think it's a little short sighted to think that God would only use that one organization to bring salvation to all of humanity.

BTW,
I was at Caesarea Philippi last week. You can actually go up to the cave that was once a temple for Hades/Pluto (god of the underworld, or hell) that Jesus was referring to in this verse. I can officially say I've been to [the gates of] Hell and back!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Amused
Actually, if you ignore all the Paulism at the end of the NT, it merely looks like Jesus was attempting to reform Judaism. It isn't until the RCC's addition of Paul at the end that "christianity" is born.

Right. I agree.

In fact, it has always been my belief that Christianity should really be called "Paulism."

It's just a name, but I can see that.

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Mucho

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
The Catholic Church wasn't "founded" by Jesus, Jesus established Christianity.

Then, in about 600 A.D., the Bishop of Rome broke off his little "section" of the religion and called it the Catholic Church, and started calling himself the Pope.

Orthodox Christianity is the closest form of Christianity to what really existed after Christ said "Go forth and preach to all nations".

This is the only sensible post in this stupid thread.

Here is a list of all the popes:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

The whole idea of christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. Wether or not there was an actual "church", doesn't change the fact that Jesus had his followers, and told them to spread his words. Jesus appointed Peter to be the first leader (Pope St. Peter) of the christian "church"

The term "catholic" means universal or whole. The followers of Jesus Christ named the "church" as catholic to signify that this was the one true universal and undivided "church".

The Catholic church is the origin of Christianity, and all christian religions that are not catholic are protestant or orthodox.

Protestantism is a general grouping of denominations within Christianity. It generally refers to those that separated from the Catholic Church in the Reformation of the 16th century, their offshoots, and those that share similar doctrines or ideologies. It is commonly considered one of the three major branches of Christianity, along with Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I don't see "Catholic" in the Bible anywhere. I see Christian. Catholicism wasn't "invented" by Christ and wasn't the first "church." Period. Saying that Jesus started the Catholic church and making Peter the first pope is like saying the IRS signed the Declaration of Independence.

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[labgeek]

Originally posted by: Stefan
...
The term "catholic" means universal or whole. The followers of Jesus Christ named the "church" as catholic to signify that this was the one true universal and undivided "church".
...
The Catholic church is the origin of Christianity, and all christian religions that are not catholic are protestant or orthodox.
...

I'm just surprised (and pleased) to see someone who understands that there is a difference between catholic and Catholic.

 

[Mathlete]

Originally posted by: Nik
I don't see "Catholic" in the Bible anywhere. I see Christian. Catholicism wasn't "invented" by Christ and wasn't the first "church." Period. Saying that Jesus started the Catholic church and making Peter the first pope is like saying the IRS signed the Declaration of Independence.

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Like saying the Pope is a Nazi???

 

[Darthvoy]

Jesus was a Jew

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[Injury]

Originally posted by: Krk3561
Where did you hear this from, or did you make it up? I just graduated Valedictorian of 525 kids from a Catholic high school yesterday.

Holy crap! Alert the pope that he's being replaced! Someone was the Valedictorian of a Catholic high school! That's NEVER happened!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Mathlete

Originally posted by: Nik
I don't see "Catholic" in the Bible anywhere. I see Christian. Catholicism wasn't "invented" by Christ and wasn't the first "church." Period. Saying that Jesus started the Catholic church and making Peter the first pope is like saying the IRS signed the Declaration of Independence.

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Like saying the Pope is a Nazi???

Well it's true isn't it :laugh:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Jesus was a Jew

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Race, yes. Religion, no.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mathlete

Originally posted by: Nik
I don't see "Catholic" in the Bible anywhere. I see Christian. Catholicism wasn't "invented" by Christ and wasn't the first "church." Period. Saying that Jesus started the Catholic church and making Peter the first pope is like saying the IRS signed the Declaration of Independence.

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Like saying the Pope is a Nazi???

Well it's true isn't it :laugh:

just Pius XII , see my post above

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Jesus was a Jew

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Race, yes. Religion, no.

Oh, I dunno. He never denounced Judaism. As I said before, if you ignore Paul, Jesus merely looked as if he were trying to reform Judaism.