Catholic girl tries to take on Richard Dawkins: [vid]

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Hayabusa Rider

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If you want people to take your discussion more seriously, I advise in future debates to not make up fabrications and just stick to the facts of the discussion at hand. When you say things like "my wife is smarter than Richard Dawkins", then be prepared for someone to call you out on it.

You can call me out, but I have reason to believe it's true. You cannot know the truth or falsity of the claim. It was my mistake to bring it up because it's unverifiable. If I were to present ten papers you could never know that I hadn't nicked them.

So I propose a cease fire, which I started in the other thread about certain metaphysical issues. You decide.

Anyway, was it this thread or the other? I can't see it from here, but you mentioned "created life in the lab". As far as I'm aware we've not "created" but have used existing machinery and replaces the parts in organisms such as Mycoplasma, but from scratch? I've missed that one.
 

jhbball

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Yes I did and I have reason to believe it, knowing her and about him. My mistake as I said was that I brought her into it, not that it's a false statement. It was an opportunity for others to get away from Dawkins behavior and troll, and I admit I rose to the bait. It was nicely done.

That said, would you state that Dawkins is more intelligent than people who think he's over the top?

I think that's a strange question. Considering it's been documented that he knows he's over the top (or a 'dick', if you will), I don't think calling him out as such makes a person less intelligent. He's a dick, and he knows it. I don't think you're any less intelligent for calling a spade a spade.

But, that's one of his arguments of course. Why do we still need to walk on egg shells when discussing religion? There's no evidence to support a higher power exists; but it affects most peoples' lives in one way or another. Also, considering the fact that dealing with the ultra religious is like talking to a brick wall: what's the point of holding your tongue?

Really, I only take issue with people that dislike his personality, and therefore discredit the rest of his work as a whole. It's especially ridiculous when people make the claim that he's an unaccomplished scientist. Browsing his wikipedia page for 30 seconds proves this to be completely and utterly wrong.
 

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I think that's a strange question. Considering it's been documented that he knows he's over the top (or a 'dick', if you will), I don't think calling him out as such makes a person less intelligent. He's a dick, and he knows it. I don't think you're any less intelligent for calling a spade a spade.

But, that's one of his arguments of course. Why do we still need to walk on egg shells when discussing religion? There's no evidence to support a higher power exists; but it affects most peoples' lives in one way or another. Also, considering the fact that dealing with the ultra religious is like talking to a brick wall: what's the point of holding your tongue?

Really, I only take issue with people that dislike his personality, and therefore discredit the rest of his work as a whole. It's especially ridiculous when people make the claim that he's an unaccomplished scientist. Browsing his wikipedia page for 30 seconds proves this to be completely and utterly wrong.

I'm convinced that half of the perception that the religious have of Dawkins is borne simply of their inability to tolerate anyone directly and bluntly questioning their beliefs. It's not that he's doing anything that would be considered rude in any other area of discourse. The taboo against questioning religion is such that anyone who does it, no matter how patiently and respectfully, comes across as being rude to the religious. It's a defense mechanism that is built into religion to discourage exactly what he is doing.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think that's a strange question. Considering it's been documented that he knows he's over the top (or a 'dick', if you will), I don't think calling him out as such makes a person less intelligent. He's a dick, and he knows it. I don't think you're any less intelligent for calling a spade a spade.

But, that's one of his arguments of course. Why do we still need to walk on egg shells when discussing religion? There's no evidence to support a higher power exists; but it affects most peoples' lives in one way or another. Also, considering the fact that dealing with the ultra religious is like talking to a brick wall: what's the point of holding your tongue?

Really, I only take issue with people that dislike his personality, and therefore discredit the rest of his work as a whole. It's especially ridiculous when people make the claim that he's an unaccomplished scientist. Browsing his wikipedia page for 30 seconds proves this to be completely and utterly wrong.

Last point first. As has been noted he's made past contributions to his field which have been recognized. His academic work isn't being questioned, however I do not find him to be among the first tier of scientific researchers. He's good, but he's not really really good in the sense I'm thinking. He's not a Pauli or a Hawking nor even a Penrose. Therefore his works while significant to me do not suggest true genius. Well one can argue what that means, and I'm not attempting to put him down in this regard, merely stating my views. I'll not say he has no historical professional standing.

That however does not mitigate his attacks on others with whom he disagrees. I mentioned Collins, and while the use of "excommunication" was obviously selective hyperbole, the fact remains that regardless of Collins' professional history, his ability to do good science, he obvious qualifications as a manager in important scientific projects he dismissed him as unqualified. If Collins had any hint of letting his religious beliefs (which does not include doubting evolution if you didn't know nor any other scientific theory) influencing his work no one has ever been able to demonstrate it in the slightest. In other cases people who are agnostic or atheists who contend that the consideration of spiritual matters is a valid consideration have likewise received scorn.

That's my problem with the man. There's absolutely no reason to take gross abuses like the Westboro Church people, or those in Afghanistan who killed because Korans were burned in a way which was intended to be respectful. Those sorts need no coddling. Bash away.

Then we have another group that believes that the Bible is not only inspired by God, but that everything that is written is literal and takes precedence over all other considerations including painstakingly gathered and examined evidence. I learned long ago that there's not much point in a conversation. As my father used to say in a tongue in cheek way "don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made up." I won't even try. My personal beliefs though is that science is something which we use to make our world larger and fuller. It's something we value and I sometimes get into the "hey this is really really cool" mode when talking to someone about it. I don't understand why one would want to use it as a bludgeon against another. That's me. It's something that's enlightening and uplifting. It's really really cool.

So is it frustrating when people have no imagination or show no interest? You bet it is. How attacking them advances it or discourse in general is beyond me. Making a career out of it? No thanks.

Now there's the next level where people have some kind of spiritual faith, a belief in something intangible, and larger than themselves. They don't argue against science, but when something new comes along they accept it and reevaluate their understanding of the world. Some in fact are very good scientists. I'm not sure what about them deserves scorn, but some have it in them to be that way.

I suppose that the science in itself is the reward as far as I'm concerned, and certainly there's no compelling reason to accept everything, and indeed take anything that comes along as acceptable, but I find people who take something like science and use it as a weapon for notoriety and profit to be as offensive as one who profits from the hatred of any other group. Again YMMV.

That's my perspective.
 

Juddog

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Anyway, was it this thread or the other? I can't see it from here, but you mentioned "created life in the lab". As far as I'm aware we've not "created" but have used existing machinery and replaces the parts in organisms such as Mycoplasma, but from scratch? I've missed that one.

In regards to building an organism from the ground up, that is to say manually piecing together strings of DNA from their component elements, no humans haven't done that.

Is it impossible? I would say no - it's a matter of computational power and man hours. At some point in the future I would say that it's highly probable that someone will put in the work to do it.

In regards to manipulating an existing life form so that it's technically a new life form, yes humans have done that. Before you go on to say that it's not the same, you have to keep in mind that science usually works in slow incremental steps. Creating an organism from scratch is not something that can be taken lightly by any stretch of the imagination, but it's only a matter of time before it's done.
 

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In regards to building an organism from the ground up, that is to say manually piecing together strings of DNA from their component elements, no humans haven't done that.

Is it impossible? I would say no - it's a matter of computational power and man hours. At some point in the future I would say that it's highly probable that someone will put in the work to do it.

In regards to manipulating an existing life form so that it's technically a new life form, yes humans have done that. Before you go on to say that it's not the same, you have to keep in mind that science usually works in slow incremental steps. Creating an organism from scratch is not something that can be taken lightly by any stretch of the imagination, but it's only a matter of time before it's done.

I expect that we're not much more than a couple of decades away. I'm not sure whether it's good or bad since people have a nasty habit of using discoveries before they have the wisdom to do so , but that's just the nature of things.
 
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