"Catholic" teen barred from confirmation

[ichy]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-confirmation-fight-20121204,0,6040864.story

Maybe people will finally start to realize that to be a "good" Catholic you have to hold some pretty crazy fringe beliefs. Granted plenty of Americans are still against gay marriage, but no birth control? I wish that more American "Catholics" would admit to themselves that they're not following some of the church's basic rules. The Catholic Church only survives because vast swaths of its members are hypocrites who pick and choose what rules they want to follow.

 

[PokerGuy]

Nobody is forcing him to be Catholic. If he doesn't want to follow their rules or doesn't like them, that's perfectly fine, he can choose whatever faith (or none at all) to follow. His beliefs obviously conflict with those of the Catholic church, and there is no reason the church should alter their beliefs to suit his. I see no problem with the actions of the church, I don't get why he or his family are whining.

 

[Atreus21]

I'm against the church regarding birth control too. They advocate the cycle method, which basically means getting to know your wife's cycle to the extent that you know when she's ovulating and when she's not, and timing your sex and whether or not you want to have children accordingly. That's fine, but if the goal is to have sex without getting pregnant, I don't see why there's a difference between that and using a condom.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm against the church regarding birth control too. They advocate the cycle method, which basically means getting to know your wife's cycle to the extent that you know when she's ovulating and when she's not, and timing your sex and whether or not you want to have children accordingly. That's fine, but if the goal is to have sex without getting pregnant, I don't see why there's a difference between that and using a condom.

Who cares what you are against??

You didn`t even address the Op`s issue....

Yet PokerGuy is right on the money --
Nobody is forcing him to be Catholic. If he doesn't want to follow their rules or doesn't like them, that's perfectly fine, he can choose whatever faith (or none at all) to follow. His beliefs obviously conflict with those of the Catholic church, and there is no reason the church should alter their beliefs to suit his. I see no problem with the actions of the church, I don't get why he or his family are whining.

 

[ichy]

Nobody is forcing him to be Catholic. If he doesn't want to follow their rules or doesn't like them, that's perfectly fine, he can choose whatever faith (or none at all) to follow. His beliefs obviously conflict with those of the Catholic church, and there is no reason the church should alter their beliefs to suit his. I see no problem with the actions of the church, I don't get why he or his family are whining.

I actually agree with you. If you support gay marriage then you are not Catholic. What I do find amusing is the church's hypocrisy in turning a blind eye to people who are obviously using birth control.

 

[Zstream]

I'm against the church regarding birth control too. They advocate the cycle method, which basically means getting to know your wife's cycle to the extent that you know when she's ovulating and when she's not, and timing your sex and whether or not you want to have children accordingly. That's fine, but if the goal is to have sex without getting pregnant, I don't see why there's a difference between that and using a condom.

Um no, they don't recommend the cycle method you twit. I wish people would stop speaking on behalf of the Church when they have zero knowledge or at one point were baptized and have no flipping clue on the rules or laws of the Church.

The Church states that natural family planning is the only solution because you're supposed to be open to life at all times, regardless of the outcome. By placing a condom on you're not open to life. Simple as that, you can argue till the cows come home but that won't change the stance.

It's the Creighton method as you should know which is 98% effective.

 

[zsdersw]

The Catholic church should absolutely stick to whatever beliefs/principles it wants... and, rightly, lose members, money, and political influence as a result. Maybe we'll get lucky and the church will go away altogether.

 

[ichy]

I find it hilarious that the church on one hand claims that the rhythm method is more reliable than condoms, yet at the same time says that it's being "open to life" whereas condoms are not.

 

[ichy]

The Catholic church should absolutely stick to whatever beliefs/principles it wants... and, rightly, lose members, money, and political influence as a result. Maybe we'll get lucky and the church will go away altogether.

I wish they'd have the balls to tell all of their priests to get up in the pulpit and remind their congregants that artificial birth control is absolutely prohibited. Let them know that it's a mortal sin, and that if you continue using the pill you'll go to hell. They're far too cowardly and money-grubbing to actually do that though.

 

[zsdersw]

I find it hilarious that the church on one hand claims that the rhythm method is more reliable than condoms, yet at the same time says that it's being "open to life" whereas condoms are not.

I find the Catholic church hilarious, in general. They, on the one hand, hide and protect pedophile priests... then, on the other hand, bemoan the moral decay they believe things like gay marriage represent.

Fuck them and their anachronistic views and, more importantly, their concealment of child sexual abuse by priests.

 

[Zstream]

I find it hilarious that the church on one hand claims that the rhythm method is more reliable than condoms, yet at the same time says that it's being "open to life" whereas condoms are not.

Please link to your findings. I call BS.

 

[nehalem256]

I actually agree with you. If you support gay marriage then you are not Catholic. What I do find amusing is the church's hypocrisy in turning a blind eye to people who are obviously using birth control.

St. Paul-Minneapolis Archbishop John Nienstedt crusaded in support of Minnesota's proposed marriage amendment, sending two letters — one just before the election — to every priest in the state telling them to advocate for it in their congregations. He wrote that the issue of preserving traditional marriage was "one of the greatest challenges of our times," and that any priest who disagreed must remain silent.

Private disagreement is allowed. Publicly contradicting important teachings is not.

EDIT: Marriage is also a sacrament which would make it more important than a teaching on birth control.

 

[ichy]

Using artificial birth control is a mortal sin.

 

[peonyu]

I find the Catholic church hilarious, in general. They, on the one hand, hide and protect pedophile priests... then, on the other hand, bemoan the moral decay they believe things like gay marriage represent.

Fuck them and their anachronistic views and, more importantly, their concealment of child sexual abuse by priests.

If Catholics bother you that much then you must be batshit-scared of Muslims. As archaic as Catholics are, Islam is several centuries behind them.

 

[Atreus21]

Um no, they don't recommend the cycle method you twit. I wish people would stop speaking on behalf of the Church when they have zero knowledge or at one point were baptized and have no flipping clue on the rules or laws of the Church.

The Church states that natural family planning is the only solution because you're supposed to be open to life at all times, regardless of the outcome. By placing a condom on you're not open to life. Simple as that, you can argue till the cows come home but that won't change the stance.

It's the Creighton method as you should know which is 98% effective.

Um yes, they do recommend it. I've been confirmed and married in the church, both requiring some type of counseling on the subject. I don't remember exactly what they called the method, but it amounts to my description of it: knowing when you're able to conceive and when you're not. I didn't claim to speak for the church, nor did I claim that the method wasn't effective.

I claimed that it's disingenuous to say we should be open to life at all times, and then give families precisely the method by which to avoid it (birth control or family planning of any kind). How does a 98% rate of effectiveness amount to "being open to life at all times"?

 

[zsdersw]

If Catholics bother you that much then you must be batshit-scared of Muslims. As archaic as Catholics are, Islam is several centuries behind them.

Obviously... but Muslims aren't a serious political force in this country.

I'm also not talking about Catholics.. I'm talking about the Catholic church. There is a huge difference. The former are individual people, the latter is the administration/organizational hierarchy.

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-confirmation-fight-20121204,0,6040864.story

Maybe people will finally start to realize that to be a "good" Catholic you have to hold some pretty crazy fringe beliefs. Granted plenty of Americans are still against gay marriage, but no birth control? I wish that more American "Catholics" would admit to themselves that they're not following some of the church's basic rules. The Catholic Church only survives because vast swaths of its members are hypocrites who pick and choose what rules they want to follow.

That guy is one lucky dog not being confirmed. Rome will see the justice it deserves come Feb. of 2013 . Ya I say its a hit and Rome is the target.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so6W1KjMnuM

 

[Rainsford]

Nobody is forcing him to be Catholic. If he doesn't want to follow their rules or doesn't like them, that's perfectly fine, he can choose whatever faith (or none at all) to follow. His beliefs obviously conflict with those of the Catholic church, and there is no reason the church should alter their beliefs to suit his. I see no problem with the actions of the church, I don't get why he or his family are whining.

I have to agree. In fact I wish more people would reject religion in general when it conflicts with their moral views instead of playing along, ignoring or fighting the issue. I suspect we'd see a lot less religion in the world if people were forced to be honest about how truly religious they really are.

I will say though that the Catholic Church seems disproportionately preoccupied with birth control compared to other matters of faith.

 

[Nemesis 1]

If Catholics bother you that much then you must be batshit-scared of Muslims. As archaic as Catholics are, Islam is several centuries behind them.

Why is that? Catholics will kill millions of other christians if they fall away . History its always there , Muslims are more to fear than Catholics . LOL!

 

[Nemesis 1]

I will say though that the Catholic Church seems disproportionately preoccupied with birth control compared to other matters of faith.

Ya thats nice you call murdering unborn not important comparred to faith when it is that vary faith that guides the unholy church Perspective is everything

 

[Atreus21]

Ya thats nice you call murdering unborn not important comparred to faith when it is that vary faith that guides the unholy church Perspective is everything

 

[nehalem256]

I will say though that the Catholic Church seems disproportionately preoccupied with birth control compared to other matters of faith.

Actually aren't people complaining that they are more preoccupied with marriage than birth control?

 

[Nemesis 1]

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[zsdersw]

People of no faith in god . Seem to put faith in Gooberment misinformation people like Brown in this next video. This meteor is the same one I linked above . Watch both clips and see how badly they lie . You of godlessness are lost. You believe these liars . Listen to brown say its been there for 10,000 years and its didn't hit lol. After this thing hits in feb. We have to make sure Brown pays for deception with his life. They know were its going to hit . Well I do anyway ./

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JYzO-jZcgw

 

[NTMBK]

People of no faith in god . Seem to put faith in Gooberment misinformation people like Brown in this next video. This meteor is the same one I linked above . Watch both clips and see how badly they lie . You of godlessness are lost. You believe these liars . Listen to brown say its been there for 10,000 years and its didn't hit lol. After this thing hits in feb. We have to make sure Brown pays for deception with his life. They know were its going to hit . Well I do anyway ./

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JRsAomrlp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JYzO-jZcgw

I'm going to remember this, and when civilisation isn't wiped out by an asteroid in February I am going to come back on this forum and ask you why not.