Catholocism = Christianity?

[dornick]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Fritzo
OK, here's a copy and past from the Vatican's website (can't link for some reason):

You're still not 'getting' what I'm saying. Going to a website is still going to a human for answers. If you want the source, go to the source, the Bible.

I can make a website that says anything I want it to say. That doesn't mean it's correct, especially if I make a site that supports my own views. Quite the bias, no?

Please tell me, where do you get the idea that the Bible is the ultimate theological authority? Because, you know, the Bible is just a massive compilation of books, and there were many, many more of them out there around Christ's time.

In 382, the Catholic Church put together a list of all the divinely inspired books and set it as the official canon. This is your closest source? A book compiled by the Cathoic Church itself?

To make matters more complicated, during the Reformation, Protestants simply threw out various books of the Bible. Luther even tried to get rid of James, but didn't succeed.

So I'll ask again: why do you claim a book compiled by Catholics and later modified by Protestants to be the ultimate authority?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Fritzo
OK, here's a copy and past from the Vatican's website (can't link for some reason):

You're still not 'getting' what I'm saying. Going to a website is still going to a human for answers. If you want the source, go to the source, the Bible.

I can make a website that says anything I want it to say. That doesn't mean it's correct, especially if I make a site that supports my own views. Quite the bias, no?

Please tell me, where do you get the idea that the Bible is the ultimate theological authority? Because, you know, the Bible is just a massive compilation of books, and there were many, many more of them out there around Christ's time.

In 382, the Catholic Church put together a list of all the divinely inspired books and set it as the official canon. This is your closest source? A book compiled by the Cathoic Church itself?

To make matters more complicated, during the Reformation, Protestants simply threw out various books of the Bible. Luther even tried to get rid of James, but didn't succeed.

So I'll ask again: why do you claim a book compiled by Catholics and later modified by Protestants to be the ultimate authority?

I was waiting for the whole "the Bible isn't the only holy book" argument.

Tell me, if God, in all his supremacy, were doing things like turning water into wine, parting the red sea, creating the friggin universe, don't you think that he'd be able do something as easy as preserving the Bible without letting it become corrupted? The Book of Mormon, the Koran, ad nauseum, aren't divinely inspired.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I am a baptist and i consider catholocism to be a type of christianity

not attacking you, but do you consider baptist a subset of protestant then?

many baptists I know don't.

My ex-wife recovered from a broken neck in a Roman Catholic hospital, her southern baptist mother would always say catholics love seeing Jesus suffering (all rooms contained a crucifix). :roll:

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Fritzo
OK, here's a copy and past from the Vatican's website (can't link for some reason):

You're still not 'getting' what I'm saying. Going to a website is still going to a human for answers. If you want the source, go to the source, the Bible.

I can make a website that says anything I want it to say. That doesn't mean it's correct, especially if I make a site that supports my own views. Quite the bias, no?

Please tell me, where do you get the idea that the Bible is the ultimate theological authority? Because, you know, the Bible is just a massive compilation of books, and there were many, many more of them out there around Christ's time.

In 382, the Catholic Church put together a list of all the divinely inspired books and set it as the official canon. This is your closest source? A book compiled by the Cathoic Church itself?

To make matters more complicated, during the Reformation, Protestants simply threw out various books of the Bible. Luther even tried to get rid of James, but didn't succeed.

So I'll ask again: why do you claim a book compiled by Catholics and later modified by Protestants to be the ultimate authority?

I was waiting for the whole "the Bible isn't the only holy book" argument.

Tell me, if God, in all his supremacy, were doing things like turning water into wine, parting the red sea, creating the friggin universe, don't you think that he'd be able do something as easy as preserving the Bible without letting it become corrupted? The Book of Mormon, the Koran, ad nauseum, aren't divinely inspired.

I never said the Bible wasn't divinely inspired. My point was that it didn't fall from the sky as most Protestants would like to believe.

Basically, I'd like to know HOW Protestants know the Bible is divinely inspired. And especailly how they KNEW the books they threw out 1000 years after the fact weren't.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Fritzo
OK, here's a copy and past from the Vatican's website (can't link for some reason):

You're still not 'getting' what I'm saying. Going to a website is still going to a human for answers. If you want the source, go to the source, the Bible.

I can make a website that says anything I want it to say. That doesn't mean it's correct, especially if I make a site that supports my own views. Quite the bias, no?

Please tell me, where do you get the idea that the Bible is the ultimate theological authority? Because, you know, the Bible is just a massive compilation of books, and there were many, many more of them out there around Christ's time.

In 382, the Catholic Church put together a list of all the divinely inspired books and set it as the official canon. This is your closest source? A book compiled by the Cathoic Church itself?

To make matters more complicated, during the Reformation, Protestants simply threw out various books of the Bible. Luther even tried to get rid of James, but didn't succeed.

So I'll ask again: why do you claim a book compiled by Catholics and later modified by Protestants to be the ultimate authority?

I was waiting for the whole "the Bible isn't the only holy book" argument.

Tell me, if God, in all his supremacy, were doing things like turning water into wine, parting the red sea, creating the friggin universe, don't you think that he'd be able do something as easy as preserving the Bible without letting it become corrupted? The Book of Mormon, the Koran, ad nauseum, aren't divinely inspired.

I never said the Bible wasn't divinely inspired. My point was that it didn't fall from the sky as most Protestants would like to believe.

It must suck to be protestant.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I should have known this thread originated from an anti-console argument.

 

[Miramonti]

As a general rule, never trust a born-again evangelical to define who is a christian. There is too much pompous self-righteousness to see even bottled water clearly.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dornick
Basically, I'd like to know HOW Protestants know the Bible is divinely inspired. And especailly how they KNEW the books they threw out 1000 years after the fact weren't.

No man who hasn't died can ever possibly know without a doubt what is divinely inspired or not. It's accepted by faith in concordence with colaberation.

 

[Amused]

Nik, answer my post about South Park.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Amused
Nik, answer my post about South Park.

wha? OH. No, I don't watch SP. I don't have the Comedy channel. When it first came out back when I was in school, I didn't find one single episode funny. At all.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Amused
Nik, answer my post about South Park.

wha? OH. No, I don't watch SP. I don't have the Comedy channel. When it first came out back when I was in school, I didn't find one single episode funny. At all.

Ah, well my comment about Mormons was based on that show.

They have a running joke about only mormons being allowed in heaven.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I should have known this thread originated from an anti-console argument.

How much do you get paid to stalk my threads, making one-liner posts solely to insult me? Your dedication is so great I doubt this is volunteer work...

At any rate, I had no idea it would balloon into this, I asked what I thought was a pretty straightforward question. I've seen far more flamable religion topics go unkindled in OT.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Amused
Nik, answer my post about South Park.

wha? OH. No, I don't watch SP. I don't have the Comedy channel. When it first came out back when I was in school, I didn't find one single episode funny. At all.

Ah, well my comment about Mormons was based on that show.

They have a running joke about only mormons being allowed in heaven.

That would be the first joke I laugh at while watching South Park.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick
Basically, I'd like to know HOW Protestants know the Bible is divinely inspired. And especailly how they KNEW the books they threw out 1000 years after the fact weren't.

No man who hasn't died can ever possibly know without a doubt what is divinely inspired or not. It's accepted by faith in concordence with colaberation.

Nik you have no idea what you are talking about....

Moses and Noah knew of divine 'power' if you buy their stories, and they were very much alive at the time....

troll or idiot?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick
Basically, I'd like to know HOW Protestants know the Bible is divinely inspired. And especailly how they KNEW the books they threw out 1000 years after the fact weren't.

No man who hasn't died can ever possibly know without a doubt what is divinely inspired or not. It's accepted by faith in concordence with colaberation.

Nik you have no idea what you are talking about....

Moses and Noah knew of divine 'power' if you buy their stories, and they were very much alive at the time....

troll or idiot?

Neither. Both of those men still accepted their experiences by faith. Now if some voice in the sky tells me to build a boat and I do just in time for the entire GD world to flood, I'm going to be pretty convinced. However, all that is, really, is proof that I built a boat in time for a coincidental ice cap melting or something.

Moses could have been on shrooms and acid. You ever see a bush burn without being consumed? Yeah, neither have I but if I did I would probably get my head examined.

Instead of insulting me, why don't you legitimately add to this conversation?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: dornick
Please tell me, where do you get the idea that the Bible is the ultimate theological authority? Because, you know, the Bible is just a massive compilation of books, and there were many, many more of them out there around Christ's time.

In 382, the Catholic Church put together a list of all the divinely inspired books and set it as the official canon. This is your closest source? A book compiled by the Cathoic Church itself?

To make matters more complicated, during the Reformation, Protestants simply threw out various books of the Bible. Luther even tried to get rid of James, but didn't succeed.

So I'll ask again: why do you claim a book compiled by Catholics and later modified by Protestants to be the ultimate authority?

Where do I get the idea? All pastors (of various divisions) that I have spoken to claim the Bible is the source. If there is a doubt about something, consult the Bible. I do find it very ironic that the Catholic church played such a large role in the current compilation of the Bible and they break several of the rules in the Bible regularly.

Why are you lumping people as only Catholic or Protestant? I don't have much knowledge of definitions of 'Protestant' but I don't see how anyone that isn't Catholic is automatically Protestant. I'm neither.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: chrisms
I believe kinev and others are brining up moot points. The fact is that Catholics worship Jesus Christ as the lord and savior. Now you can get hung up on details which disagree with your own faith, such as the sacraments and the path which one must take to get to heaven, but both Protestants and Catholics believe Jesus is Christ...making them both Christian religions.

You need to take a step back from your own religious beliefs and the definition of what you think is a Christian, and see that from an objectice standpoint that Catholics are Christians.

Demons believe that Jesus is Christ. Are they Christians?

I agree that the question depends on your definition of Christian, though. Mine is following the teachings of Jesus and the Bible. This makes Protestants Christians and Catholics not.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: chrisms
I believe kinev and others are brining up moot points. The fact is that Catholics worship Jesus Christ as the lord and savior. Now you can get hung up on details which disagree with your own faith, such as the sacraments and the path which one must take to get to heaven, but both Protestants and Catholics believe Jesus is Christ...making them both Christian religions.

You need to take a step back from your own religious beliefs and the definition of what you think is a Christian, and see that from an objectice standpoint that Catholics are Christians.

Demons believe that Jesus is Christ. Are they Christians?

I agree that the question depends on your definition of Christian, though. Mine is following the teachings of Jesus and the Bible. This makes Protestants Christians and Catholics not.

:beer:

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: kinev
Yes, some Protestant churches teach salvation through works. But, they are not Christians, either.

how is that a basis to (re)define who is or isn't a christian?
people that believe christ is the savior/messiah are christian despite how they fall on works/grace issue

christianity (in the sense of being in christ) is not defined by which organization you belong to but experiencing what Jesus says in John 3, the born again experience. i don't like using that terminology because the baptist have so misused it. but jesus said, only those born of the spirit can see and understand spiritual things.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Gurck

How much do you get paid to stalk my threads, making one-liner posts solely to insult me? Your dedication is so great I doubt this is volunteer work...

At any rate, I had no idea it would balloon into this, I asked what I thought was a pretty straightforward question. I've seen far more flamable religion topics go unkindled in OT.

I take that work pro bono, just as I assume you go unpaid for your incessant thread crapping in any discussion related to iPods or gaming consoles. What's interesting to me is that a person who's so persistently demeaning of the intelligence of others doesn't know the answer to such a simple, fundamental question at age 27.

 

[rickn]

of course Catholics are Christians. lutherans, methodist, episcopal, baptist, mormon, etc etc all came AFTER Catholocism

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: dornick
Basically, I'd like to know HOW Protestants know the Bible is divinely inspired. And especailly how they KNEW the books they threw out 1000 years after the fact weren't.

No man who hasn't died can ever possibly know without a doubt what is divinely inspired or not. It's accepted by faith in concordence with colaberation.

Nik you have no idea what you are talking about....

Moses and Noah knew of divine 'power' if you buy their stories, and they were very much alive at the time....

troll or idiot?

Neither. Both of those men still accepted their experiences by faith. Now if some voice in the sky tells me to build a boat and I do just in time for the entire GD world to flood, I'm going to be pretty convinced. However, all that is, really, is proof that I built a boat in time for a coincidental ice cap melting or something.

Moses could have been on shrooms and acid. You ever see a bush burn without being consumed? Yeah, neither have I but if I did I would probably get my head examined.

Instead of insulting me, why don't you legitimately add to this conversation?

could have should have your bias shows.

I am not saying any Christian is right..I believe in things way beyond organized religions.

but you GO GIRL!

So moses did shrooms when he parted a period?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: chrisms
And KruptosAngelos, you may have studied it for 5 years, but you are still another person with an opinion. I've been reading and learning about Biblical interpretations all my life, but I can still understand that others will interperet the Bible in extremely different ways than I would.

But it's not opinion

It may be ok for you for your beliefs to be just tossed around, but I think they are far too important. We are talking heaven and hell here, get serious.

Obviously it *is* your opinion - if it were incontrovertible fact, we wouldn't be arguing about it here, now, would we? Do you know what the word means?

Have you spoken to God and got the definition straight from the source? No, I didn't think so.

There are people that argue the world is still flat, but that doesn't make it opinion. Clearly you are the one that doesn't understand the meaning of the word. I know what being Christian means, and I know Catholicism does not follow that definition. Plenty of other people know this, and whether you agree with us doesn't make it anything other than fact. It's plain facts. One one side you have Jesus, and on the other you have the Pope, it's a straight line between them.

What makes it worse is that you pretend to know my conversations with God :roll:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I take that work pro bono, just as I assume you go unpaid for your incessant thread crapping in any discussion related to iPods or gaming consoles. What's interesting to me is that a person who's so persistently demeaning of the intelligence of others doesn't know the answer to such a simple, fundamental question at age 27.

I don't crap in ipod threads, I generally give my opinion when asked, then defend myself against the deluge of attacks, generally written in AOLese, from the kiddies who can't tolerate someone not adoring Apple & the ipod.

Religion doesn't interest me in the least, nor do I follow it - why would I know various things about it? What can you tell me about womens fashion? Written Cantonese? Ukraine's GNP?

Your continued stalking is baffling and, truth be told, more than a little creepy. I'm beginning to get the feeling your insistence on my homosexuality is a case of projection. As such, I'll let you know that while I don't look down on it, I don't swing that way either.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: chrisms
I believe kinev and others are brining up moot points. The fact is that Catholics worship Jesus Christ as the lord and savior. Now you can get hung up on details which disagree with your own faith, such as the sacraments and the path which one must take to get to heaven, but both Protestants and Catholics believe Jesus is Christ...making them both Christian religions.

You need to take a step back from your own religious beliefs and the definition of what you think is a Christian, and see that from an objectice standpoint that Catholics are Christians.

Demons believe that Jesus is Christ. Are they Christians?

I agree that the question depends on your definition of Christian, though. Mine is following the teachings of Jesus and the Bible. This makes Protestants Christians and Catholics not.

:beer:

I do believe that was an arguement against other so-called religions for God back then, said by Jesus himself :thumbsup: