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Eli

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Originally posted by: JohnCU

That is a pretty sensible argument and I agree with you on most of that. The problem today is trying to dissect all the false info from the truth about drugs.
Comming from someone who is uneducated about drugs, I can definately see that being a problem.

My advice is simply this: Don't do drugs if you don't feel comfortable. But also, be open minded. Realize that everybody is different.

In my opinion, it is more of the persons "fault" that they become addicted than the drugs'. You only hear about the worst. You only hear about the alcoholics, or the coke heads, or the proverbial 35 year old pothead living in their mothers basement.

You do not hear about all the "cokehead" business men, or the "alcoholic" blue-collar worker, or the "pothead" that likes to relax to a bowl and some music after work.

Like I said, some people are more prone to becomming addicts than others. It is just simply how they're wired.

What I find upsetting is that the government is leading this war on its own citizens when all they need is help. Further, by making it illegal, they create the underground market for it. They drive the prices up and make it worthwhile for "drug dealers" to peddle the products. They make it so expensive that "regular" citizens find the need to commit crimes to get their fix. Instead of spending billions of dollars fighting something that is impossible to win, why don't they change the drug education system, legalize them(with the same sort of restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol)? They would then in turn make billions of dollars off the taxes. That money could go towards drug education and rehabilitation.

If there is a flaw to that train of thought, I do not see it and someone should kindly point it out to me. But as far as I'm concerned, we have it completely backwards. Nothing would change. You're always going to have the kids that cheat the system and do drugs before it's legal. Infact, evidence from other countries shows that when drugs become legal and education regarding them increases, drug use goes down!

Shocking.
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: JohnCU

That is a pretty sensible argument and I agree with you on most of that. The problem today is trying to dissect all the false info from the truth about drugs.
Comming from someone who is uneducated about drugs, I can definately see that being a problem.

My advice is simply this: Don't do drugs if you don't feel comfortable. But also, be open minded. Realize that everybody is different.

In my opinion, it is more of the persons "fault" that they become addicted than the drugs'. You only hear about the worst. You only hear about the alcoholics, or the coke heads, or the proverbial 35 year old pothead living in their mothers basement.

You do not hear about all the "cokehead" business men, or the "alcoholic" blue-collar worker, or the "pothead" that likes to relax to a bowl and some music after work.

Like I said, some people are more prone to becomming addicts than others. It is just simply how they're wired.

What I find upsetting is that the government is leading this war on its own citizens when all they need is help. Further, by making it illegal, they create the underground market for it. They drive the prices up and make it worthwhile for "drug dealers" to peddle the products. They make it so expensive that "regular" citizens find the need to commit crimes to get their fix. Instead of spending billions of dollars fighting something that is impossible to win, why don't they change the drug education system, legalize them(with the same sort of restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol)? They would then in turn make billions of dollars off the taxes. That money could go towards drug education and rehabilitation.

If there is a flaw to that train of thought, I do not see it and someone should kindly point it out to me. But as far as I'm concerned, we have it completely backwards. Nothing would change. You're always going to have the kids that cheat the system and do drugs before it's legal. Infact, evidence from other countries shows that when drugs become legal and education regarding them increases, drug use goes down!

Shocking.

I couldnt have said it better myself
 

thomsbrain

Lifer
Dec 4, 2001
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***OFFICIAL***Gulzakar's dad cleans gardner's peace pipe in the back seat of an E55 AMG! boy never felt so close!***CONFIRMED***
 

Gulzakar

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Oct 9, 1999
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Wow, such a debate

Who would have thought some Cannibus could get so many panties in a twist.

Bless the freedom of choice.

 

josedawg

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Originally posted by: JohnCU


That is a pretty sensible argument and I agree with you on most of that. The problem today is trying to dissect all the false info from the truth about drugs.

Take some time and research marijuana. You'd find its much less of a hazard than you think. I did my senior thesis in high school on the health effects of marijuana. This was about the same time I started smoking (which is why I chose the topic) and was surprised by all the misinformation I was fed throughout the years. Don't get me wrong, smoking anything is hazardous (its a known fact smoking any plant matter is harmful to the lungs, which is why ingestion is the safest way to take marijuana. Brownies anyone?) but brain damage? Turning into a bloodthirsty rapist? Becoming stupid? Becoming antisocial? Please.....

Take it from whoever said it in here, there are A LOT of people smoke the sticky icky, and you might not even know it. I would say more but I'm late for work.
 

LS20

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Jan 22, 2002
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when my friend had his college graduation party last year, his dad--all 6'5 300lb of him--got BLASTED (ended up falling face down on the floor) with us while his mom blazed a joint

twas a cool party
 

XZeroII

Lifer
Jun 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: josedawg
Originally posted by: JohnCU


That is a pretty sensible argument and I agree with you on most of that. The problem today is trying to dissect all the false info from the truth about drugs.

Take some time and research marijuana. You'd find its much less of a hazard than you think. I did my senior thesis in high school on the health effects of marijuana. This was about the same time I started smoking (which is why I chose the topic) and was surprised by all the misinformation I was fed throughout the years. Don't get me wrong, smoking anything is hazardous (its a known fact smoking any plant matter is harmful to the lungs, which is why ingestion is the safest way to take marijuana. Brownies anyone?) but brain damage? Turning into a bloodthirsty rapist? Becoming stupid? Becoming antisocial? Please.....

Take it from whoever said it in here, there are A LOT of people smoke the sticky icky, and you might not even know it. I would say more but I'm late for work.

I find that hard to believe that it doesn't cause brain damage. I am really interested in your facts on that.

I think Eli has a good point about education, but the problem is that all the people who don't like M will find evidence to say that it is harmful, while the people who do like it will find evidence that it is not.
I also agree that we only hear about the worst case scenarios. There are probably lots of people who do it and you'd never know. But that doesn't mean that it isn't causing harm. It's like the caffine example earlier. In high doses, caffine is very addictive and can cause you to get really high. But in low doses, no one thinks there is a problem because the changes are occuring so slowly. The same thing can be applied to M. If you only smoke one per week, it's probably not going to cause any real problems, just like a soda per day. But if you are smoking every other night, then you will probably suffer some problems. The big problem is that M is much more potent than the caffine in soda. You get that high much easier. So one joint is more dangerous than one soda. That is why soda is legal, but M isn't. You can drink one soda per day for your entire life and not develop any real problems (AFAIK). But if you smoke one joint per day for your entire life, AFAIK, you will develop problems.
Am I making any sense?
 

jmelnek

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God grew it so I will smoke it...It is a natural plant nothing man made...So smoking weed is like drinking tea, they both are leaves....
 

LS20

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Originally posted by: Phocas
I think alot of these uptight people here would be surprised who smoked grass.

hollaword.

i used to think drug users wear tattered clothes, worship satan, and eat babies




then i graduated from middle school. i think most close-minded people just haven't had enough social interaction to attenuate their prejudices
 

XNice

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Originally posted by: LS20
Originally posted by: Phocas
I think alot of these uptight people here would be surprised who smoked grass.

hollaword.

i used to think drug users wear tattered clothes, worship satan, and eat babies.....then i graduated from middle school. i think most close-minded people just haven't had enough social interaction to attenuate their prejudices

ooohh I like that

Originally posted by: JohnCU
I can't believe there haven't been more people in this thread speaking AGAINST this. You're all advocating drug use...what the fvck is wrong with you people?

Originally posted by: MAME
hey, that's illegal! :|

It was only a matter of time before the uptight soapboxes came sniffing around. Remember people too much of anything is bad. And yes it is useless arguing with a pothead becuase he is just as biased as you anti-drug dummies.

My stand? I smoke weed everyday and i understand i should quit soon..im in my senior high in college. My roomates were all engineers at Drexel U, and they all graduated, one with a 3.1gpa and they smoked more than me, which is a lot (2+ blunts/day). So weed is fine, its just that a lot of dumbazzes back in the day gave it a bad image, and now there's more people being smarter with it.
 

AgentOrange

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Jan 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: JohnCU

That is a pretty sensible argument and I agree with you on most of that. The problem today is trying to dissect all the false info from the truth about drugs.
Comming from someone who is uneducated about drugs, I can definately see that being a problem.

My advice is simply this: Don't do drugs if you don't feel comfortable. But also, be open minded. Realize that everybody is different.

In my opinion, it is more of the persons "fault" that they become addicted than the drugs'. You only hear about the worst. You only hear about the alcoholics, or the coke heads, or the proverbial 35 year old pothead living in their mothers basement.

You do not hear about all the "cokehead" business men, or the "alcoholic" blue-collar worker, or the "pothead" that likes to relax to a bowl and some music after work.

Like I said, some people are more prone to becomming addicts than others. It is just simply how they're wired.

What I find upsetting is that the government is leading this war on its own citizens when all they need is help. Further, by making it illegal, they create the underground market for it. They drive the prices up and make it worthwhile for "drug dealers" to peddle the products. They make it so expensive that "regular" citizens find the need to commit crimes to get their fix. Instead of spending billions of dollars fighting something that is impossible to win, why don't they change the drug education system, legalize them(with the same sort of restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol)? They would then in turn make billions of dollars off the taxes. That money could go towards drug education and rehabilitation.

If there is a flaw to that train of thought, I do not see it and someone should kindly point it out to me. But as far as I'm concerned, we have it completely backwards. Nothing would change. You're always going to have the kids that cheat the system and do drugs before it's legal. Infact, evidence from other countries shows that when drugs become legal and education regarding them increases, drug use goes down!

Shocking.

Did you just watch Penn and Tellers show on Showtime? Good show and this was the subject for the week. The reason i ask is they made every point you just did.
 

PingSpike

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While I'm not particularly concerned with the subject since I don't really smoke...my thought has always been, if alcohol is legal WTF isn't weed?

People who smoke usually just sit on the couch and laugh.

People who drink often get in car crashes and sometimes become really violent...although most people seem pretty cool about it.

To me, alcohol is worse...so why is it legal if weed isn't? (I'd just assume both were legal anyway. Like was said earlier, if it was legal they could regulate and even tax it. Whats the big deal?)
 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: PingSpike
While I'm not particularly concerned with the subject since I don't really smoke...my thought has always been, if alcohol is legal WTF isn't weed?

Ignorance, stupidity, hypocracy are a few that come to mind.
 

sxr7171

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Jun 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: PingSpike
While I'm not particularly concerned with the subject since I don't really smoke...my thought has always been, if alcohol is legal WTF isn't weed?



People who smoke usually just sit on the couch and laugh.



People who drink often get in car crashes and sometimes become really violent...although most people seem pretty cool about it.



To me, alcohol is worse...so why is it legal if weed isn't? (I'd just assume both were legal anyway. Like was said earlier, if it was legal they could regulate and even tax it. Whats the big deal?)



So true. I think that marijuana is far less harmful to society than alcohol.


Anyway here's some information from a trusted source: Marijuana Information
 

RiceARoni

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Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: PingSpike
While I'm not particularly concerned with the subject since I don't really smoke...my thought has always been, if alcohol is legal WTF isn't weed?



People who smoke usually just sit on the couch and laugh.



People who drink often get in car crashes and sometimes become really violent...although most people seem pretty cool about it.



To me, alcohol is worse...so why is it legal if weed isn't? (I'd just assume both were legal anyway. Like was said earlier, if it was legal they could regulate and even tax it. Whats the big deal?)



So true. I think that marijuana is far less harmful to society than alcohol.


Anyway here's some information from a trusted source: Marijuana Information

You are joking right? Trusted?

I would not have a problem paying a tax to the goverment to buy a pack of 10 pre-rolled J's.

But there are certain things not to do if it was legalized. Such as smoking around old people/children in public. I think it should be restricted to your home, and special shops like in Amsterdam.

 

loup garou

Lifer
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Originally posted by: AgentOrange
Did you just watch Penn and Tellers show on Showtime? Good show and this was the subject for the week. The reason i ask is they made every point you just did.
I saw that episode last night. Possibly their best one yet.
 

sxr7171

Diamond Member
Jun 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: RiceARoni
Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: PingSpike

While I'm not particularly concerned with the subject since I don't really smoke...my thought has always been, if alcohol is legal WTF isn't weed?







People who smoke usually just sit on the couch and laugh.







People who drink often get in car crashes and sometimes become really violent...although most people seem pretty cool about it.







To me, alcohol is worse...so why is it legal if weed isn't? (I'd just assume both were legal anyway. Like was said earlier, if it was legal they could regulate and even tax it. Whats the big deal?)







So true. I think that marijuana is far less harmful to society than alcohol.





Anyway here's some information from a trusted source: Marijuana Information



You are joking right? Trusted?



I would not have a problem paying a tax to the goverment to buy a pack of 10 pre-rolled J's.



But there are certain things not to do if it was legalized. Such as smoking around old people/children in public. I think it should be restricted to your home, and special shops like in Amsterdam.


Yeah. Did you read what I said before that? I was going for sarcasm.
 

preslove

Lifer
Sep 10, 2003
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I went to a NORML conference and smoked out Lester Grinspoon, a Harvard medical doctor who published a bunch of books on the Medicinile qualities of herb. It was cool, since he is a legend in legalization circles.

Weed was first made illegal in Southwestern states like New Mexico so that racist cops could jail mexicans for the hell of it. Then prohibition came along and it was also made illegal nationwide, but after prohibition it stayed illegal. We all know how well prohibition went :roll:

There are three major carcinogens contained in smoked marijuana, which are released at combustion. So, if you don't burn plant material, your all good You can completely avoid bad health effects by either cooking and eating it, or by using a vaporizer, which heats the bud to a temperature that bursts the canabanoid sacks and releases a sticky mist that tastes
. With a good vaporizer weed is a perfect medicine for cancer patients who need a drug that will prevent them from puking up everything they eat because of chemo. Chemo makes people sick, so they don't eat, and they get depressed and kind of give up. All they need is the munchies and some levitous weed. People against Medical Marijuana deserve to be beaten relentlessly for their hypocrisy, "we'll save society by preventing sick people from getting stoned and eating"
 
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