Cawthorn. Lights on. Noone home.

[soundforbjt]

Agreed, saying everyone will be dead or imprisoned is hysteria. But there will be no chance for the Democrats to have any real power at the federal level after 2024 if the GQP wins, either legitimately or by theft, which they are clearly setting up to do. Expect a decline on the federal level to a Putin-esque Russia style system. Freedoms of speech will be eroded, opposition to the ruling party will be eroded. The GQP will have to keep appealing to their base, so the crazy will feed the crazy. They will use the federal system to attack blue states financially and other ways - such as how Trump and Barr called NYC and Portland anarchist cities to withhold federal funding from them.

I think some of the current conservative SC justices like Brett and Amy might not go along with all these things, they will in some, but don't be surprised if the GQP then packs the SC. They will abandon states rights completely in favor of using the power of the Federal government to bring blue states in line - eliminating all their gun laws completely, eliminate all abortion rights, erode voting rights from the Federal level, and other things that go along with the far right narrative.

We won't all be dead or imprisoned, we will live our lives like tens of millions of Russians do every day, with far fewer rights and opportunities.

And those with money & usefulness just like in Russia will be better off.

 

[DaaQ]

Casinos are illegal in Russia. He went to an illegal club where he just happened to meet a guy who just happened to set up a fake crossfit competition to introduce him to a woman? Okaaaaaay!

Sounds like the plot of a cheezy spy show on AMC

I was gonna say Lifetime Movie Network.

Who is this Madison hawthorn, Cawthorn again? Like some youngest person to be elected or something?

The majority of Russians, Chinese, Germans and Italians weren't acting out of evil intent. For the most part they didn't even know what was to come. After a while, they were either silent, out of fear, or just went along with those various 'revolutions', hoping to be they would lead to greater prosperity and national prestige, etc. I think most of the Trumpers are of the latter sort. They are hoping for a better life, whether it be cultural, financial, religious and whatnot. Well, and like the Nazis, the GOP and their proxies are masters of propaganda. So, I principally blame those at the top, the wealthy donors, the political power brokers, the right media and, sadly, all these prosperity megachurches, for being the pied pipers who have whipped some into a frenzy. There are just so many lies out there that have been pounding into people heads (re: the big lie concept), that it is very hard to see how we get out of this divisive mess. All that being said, I am certain that hating each other isn't going to solve anything.

Something like 98% of local or national radio broadcast is Conservative Propaganda. It has been going on a long time. Since the one Koch brother failed to gain office. They changed their plans to control the Nation.

There are various ways to get rid of things. I think the Taliban is evil but I don't propose turning the middle east into a parking lot as many of the fine conservative people you defend would be fine doing. I heard many say that many a time during all recent middle east wars . Just carpet bomb whole countries. Nor do I support going in there and exterminating the Taliban. I can give you a million examples where I can recognize evil but not think we should go to war. You seem smarter than someone who thinks there is no nuance in the world that if you recognize evil you have to kill it.

I have no urge to go shoot anyone. It's the right wingers you defend that sympathize with people that have and are encouraging violence against us.

Your logical conclusion is just not logical. I have said many times to propose and attempt a negotiated split. Honestly most of them would probably love the idea of having their Confederate Christian paradise.

You have misjudged his comments.

Neither are you. And not paying attention to what the right has actually shown us about reaching out to them over the last 13 years and where that got us and what they have been trying to do lately to democracy. I mean it's scary.

You must be young, it has been more than 13 years.

The Democrats can't pass the build back better act or win a midterm in Virginia, barely hold on to a governorship in NJ, you think they are going to fix gerrymandering on the state and federal level, fix the under representation of blue states in the house and Senate and the stacked supreme court? Before the GQP probably takes the house in a year?

Hahahahaha. Now that's funny.

The Republicans are well on their way to winning the house in 2022 and set up a solid shot to overthrow democracy in 2024.

Splitting the nation is the best shot at letting half the country avoid living under fascism and doing it peacefully.

Naivete is holding onto a dream of America that doesn't exist anymore.

We don't share fundamental core values that it takes to run a country together with the folks that run the deep South. It's only going to get worse of you haven't noticed.

It's not the Deep South anymore, see Wisconsin.

I am in the Mid South, I'll take my chances with the bloodshed for my grandaughter's sake.

You're going to ignore the impact of the revocation of the Fairness Doctrine? We can't just... "do that".

That is a large problem that does not get enough debate.

 

[MrSquished]

It's not the Deep South anymore, see Wisconsin.

I am in the Mid South, I'll take my chances with the bloodshed for my grandaughter's sake.

Yes I know the midwest has plenty of regressive states too, but I just use it as a catch all. It includes them as well don't worry. I don't want Wisconsin or Idaho or Iowa in the new country we should form that's for sure.

You are not thinking this through right. You are going to put all of us under fascism including your grandaughter, in a country where women's rights will be eroded, vs at least giving half the country a chance to avoid that now, and have a place for her to escape to later.

 

[DaaQ]

Yes I know the midwest has plenty of regressive states too, but I just use it as a catch all. It includes them as well don't worry. I don't want Wisconsin or Idaho or Iowa in the new country we should form that's for sure.

You are not thinking this through right. You are going to put all of us under fascism including your grandaughter, in a country where women's rights will be eroded, vs at least giving half the country a chance to avoid that now, and have a place for her to escape to later.

No, I will not.
You think a peaceful "divorce" can happen. No it cannot.

I have read alot of your posts. I gather you are particularly young. That's ok. You have the fire inside you. But this shit has been going on since Nixon.

Peaceful breakup will not happen.

 

[MrSquished]

No, I will not.
You think a peaceful "divorce" can happen. No it cannot.

I have read alot of your posts. I gather you are particularly young. That's ok. You have the fire inside you. But this shit has been going on since Nixon.

Peaceful breakup will not happen.

I'm in my mid 40's.

So we all live under fascism in an oligarchy.

Good solution. Great for your grandkids. Then their best options are Canada, or Europe. So best thing is make sure they take lots of language classes. That is if the public schools are even allowed to offer those courses when the budgets all get cut drastically by a party that realizes the less educated the population is, the better for them.

Make sure they have money for private school. The ones that aren't religious.

 

[DaaQ]

I'm in my mid 40's.

So we all live under fascism in an oligarchy.

Good solution. Great for your grandkids. Then their best options are Canada, or Europe. So best thing is make sure they take lots of language classes. That is if the public schools are even allowed to offer those courses when the budgets all get cut drastically by a party that realizes the less educated the population is, the better for them.

Well my one son is in Europe currently.

Where I live currently. I could protect.

This conversation happened to come after 1st day back at school for the pre schooler and kindergartener, where school is now suspended due to Covid. Pre school is until the 12th, due to exposure. Not sure yet on the Kindergarten class.

This is after already taking 2 weeks off for my wife, who is a SBO, and my week off from my job. Now we have to figure out how to get to the 12th. Wife can reschedule some, may lose others, I will have to use more vacation or flex time.

This is on the FIRST day back.

I am in a deep RED county. It just makes me mad due to dumbasses that think they don't need the shots available.

 

[Ajay]

You're going to ignore the impact of the revocation of the Fairness Doctrine? We can't just... "do that".

Well, that didn’t help the situation - not so sure it would’ve widthstood eventual lawsuits anyway. There was an alignment of business (media companies) and political interests over that issue. IIRC, the Reagan admin was opposed.

So, looking it up, I guess it is the current rage to blame the existence of conservative media on this rule change. Probably fair for broadcast media, but it was never going to last anyway. Too much money to be made in the long run.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, that didn’t help the situation - not so sure it would’ve widthstood eventual lawsuits anyway. There was an alignment of business (media companies) and political interests over that issue. IIRC, the Reagan admin was opposed.

So, looking it up, I guess it is the current rage to blame the existence of conservative media on this rule change. Probably fair for broadcast media, but it was never going to last anyway. Too much money to be made in the long run.

Current? People have been pointing to it for years...

 

[Ajay]

Current? People have been pointing to it for years...

Sorry. I only recall the debate made many years ago. As I said, searching for it yielded a bunch of hits of more recent vintage. Obviously, it's not something I kept following.
The fact that it became impossible to enshrine in law was it's downfall (and yes, blame Reagan for that). FCC mandates are fungible. I still contend that it was driven more by money than politics, at the time.

Of course, it has turned into a sh*t show. People used to have to read certain newspapers and magazines to get the current level of bias. Now it's beamed into people living rooms. I think I mentioned the GOP's excellent and unfortunate use of propaganda earlier. Rupert Murdock saw big $$s in the sky by tapping into a particular audience, he had no qualms about exploiting that market. Liberals now have MSNBC, which took are particularly hard left after Trump came into office. But, we are already too balkanized in our own little bubbles for outlets to succeed in having any impact on the general public - so, point taken.

 

[ivwshane]

Sorry. I only recall the debate made many years ago. As I said, searching for it yielded a bunch of hits of more recent vintage. Obviously, it's not something I kept following.
The fact that it became impossible to enshrine in law was it's downfall (and yes, blame Reagan for that). FCC mandates are fungible. I still contend that it was driven more by money than politics, at the time.

Of course, it has turned into a sh*t show. People used to have to read certain newspapers and magazines to get the current level of bias. Now it's beamed into people living rooms. I think I mentioned the GOP's excellent and unfortunate use of propaganda earlier. Rupert Murdock saw big $$s in the sky by tapping into a particular audience, he had no qualms about exploiting that market. Liberals now have MSNBC, which took are particularly hard left after Trump came into office. But, we are already too balkanized in our own little bubbles for outlets to succeed in having any impact on the general public - so, point taken.

Your bias is showing. MSNBC didn’t go hard left at all. In fact they’ve probably gone a little to the right. They have quite a few conservative hosts now and frequent many conservative guests. You only think they gone hard left because anything coming from the right these days is extreme.

I’m guessing you and others suffer from the same issue as a lot of media these days, the incessant need to portray both sides of an issue no matter how baseless one particular side is.

People think the fairness doctrine would help solve things but they are wrong. If the fairness doctrine came back you’d have shows like Hannity and colmes, where you basically have a token liberal on to use as a punching bag.

 

[Aikouka]

No, I will not.
You think a peaceful "divorce" can happen. No it cannot.

I have read alot of your posts. I gather you are particularly young. That's ok. You have the fire inside you. But this shit has been going on since Nixon.

Peaceful breakup will not happen.

I don't think the idea of a split would be very pretty either. That's mostly based upon how the mindset of Republican elected officials seems to be heavily skewed toward ideals like "my way or the highway" and "winning above all else". I don't see how you can have an amicable split when dealing with that sort of mentality; it would be like a divorce with one party acting in bad faith.

 

[nakedfrog]

Your bias is showing. MSNBC didn’t go hard left at all. In fact they’ve probably gone a little to the right. They have quite a few conservative hosts now and frequent many conservative guests. You only think they gone hard left because anything coming from the right these days is extreme.

I’m guessing you and others suffer from the same issue as a lot of media these days, the incessant need to portray both sides of an issue no matter how baseless one particular side is.

People think the fairness doctrine would help solve things but they are wrong. If the fairness doctrine came back you’d have shows like Hannity and colmes, where you basically have a token liberal on to use as a punching bag.

Oh, no, I don't think bringing it back would solve things, that ship has clearly sailed and found bounteous new lands of hate and division as far as the eye can see, ripe for the sowing and reaping.

It was more of a refutation of the idea that Democrats can just "do what Republicans did" to try and restore something like balance.

 

[Leymenaide]

Agreed, saying everyone will be dead or imprisoned is hysteria. But there will be no chance for the Democrats to have any real power at the federal level after 2024 if the GQP wins, either legitimately or by theft, which they are clearly setting up to do. Expect a decline on the federal level to a Putin-esque Russia style system. Freedoms of speech will be eroded, opposition to the ruling party will be eroded. The GQP will have to keep appealing to their base, so the crazy will feed the crazy. They will use the federal system to attack blue states financially and other ways - such as how Trump and Barr called NYC and Portland anarchist cities to withhold federal funding from them.

I think some of the current conservative SC justices like Brett and Amy might not go along with all these things, they will in some, but don't be surprised if the GQP then packs the SC. They will abandon states rights completely in favor of using the power of the Federal government to bring blue states in line - eliminating all their gun laws completely, eliminate all abortion rights, erode voting rights from the Federal level, and other things that go along with the far right narrative.

We won't all be dead or imprisoned, we will live our lives like tens of millions of Russians do every day, with far fewer rights and opportunities.

It is the little things that will get you like if you are not a party member you will not get the job, any job. If you are on the list of oppositionists the police or state thugs will pull you over and beat you up for fun. Forget University admission for non-party members. Party membership becomes like a union card. Remember to keep it in the bible as a place keeper for public appearances. If you disappear nobody will dare to notice.

 

[Ajay]

Your bias is showing. MSNBC didn’t go hard left at all. In fact they’ve probably gone a little to the right. They have quite a few conservative hosts now and frequent many conservative guests. You only think they gone hard left because anything coming from the right these days is extreme.

I’m guessing you and others suffer from the same issue as a lot of media these days, the incessant need to portray both sides of an issue no matter how baseless one particular side is.

People think the fairness doctrine would help solve things but they are wrong. If the fairness doctrine came back you’d have shows like Hannity and colmes, where you basically have a token liberal on to use as a punching bag.

Okay. Maybe things have changed. I stream now and don't get MSNBC. But, not too long after Trump got elected they definitely went more to the left (maybe I shouldn't have said 'hard left'). Even Morning Joe pivoted quite a bit, considering he used to be a neo-con. Of course, Hayes, Maddow and O'Donnell always were more left than the rest of the lineup (which was more 'news' oriented).

I don't have an incessant need to make everything 'bothsides'. I do have the bad habit of assuming, from time to time, that the GOP is the same party I used to belong to. When there was still some room for compromise. They aren't that party anymore. I left and they've only gotten worse. Old habits die hard.

 

[ivwshane]

Okay. Maybe things have changed. I stream now and don't get MSNBC. But, not too long after Trump got elected they definitely went more to the left (maybe I shouldn't have said 'hard left'). Even Morning Joe pivoted quite a bit, considering he used to be a neo-con. Of course, Hayes, Maddow and O'Donnell always were more left than the rest of the lineup (which was more 'news' oriented).

I don't have an incessant need to make everything 'bothsides'. I do have the bad habit of assuming, from time to time, that the GOP is the same party I used to belong to. When there was still some room for compromise. They aren't that party anymore. I left and they've only gotten worse. Old habits die hard.

A majority of the “conservatives” on msnbc don’t recognize their former party either and most of them call it like it is. The shift leftward after trump, again, wasn’t a shift. Most weren’t covering “what stupid shit trump did today”, they were trying to piece together a lot of the corruption we have since found out to be true. MSNBC’s mistake wasn’t how they covered trump after he was elected, it was how they covered trump when he was running for president. Most admit their mistake but it’s too late. They helped to normalize trump along with pretty much all of the media. MSNBC, unlike some others is at least trying to correct that mistake.

The point being, there was no shift, we just aren’t used to the blatant corruption and the wholesale denial of facts by a whole party.

 

[Ajay]

A majority of the “conservatives” on msnbc don’t recognize their former party either and most of them call it like it is. The shift leftward after trump, again, wasn’t a shift. Most weren’t covering “what stupid shit trump did today”, they were trying to piece together a lot of the corruption we have since found out to be true. MSNBC’s mistake wasn’t how they covered trump after he was elected, it was how they covered trump when he was running for president. Most admit their mistake but it’s too late. They helped to normalize trump along with pretty much all of the media. MSNBC, unlike some others is at least trying to correct that mistake.

Well, I did look up the often posted media bias chart and MSNBC has actually moved a tick right between 2017 and 2021. Not sure if that is due to an overall change in the distribution (statistically). I do remember Joe and Mika having Trump on often. He'd call in and they'd just talk to him on air. Free morning media access - priceless. I'm not sure what other conservatives you are referring to on MSNBC. Anyway, they come out on the 'left' side in the current chart.

The point being, there was no shift, we just aren’t used to the blatant corruption and the wholesale denial of facts by a whole party.

Good point. Still not used to it. Not sure if it's possible to get used to an alternate reality.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Will NC disqualify him?

North Carolina voters dispute Cawthorn candidacy over Jan. 6

By GARY D. ROBERTSON2 hours ago

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A group of North Carolina voters urged state officials Monday to disqualify U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn as a congressional candidate, citing his participation in a rally last January in Washington that questioned the presidential election outcome and preceded the Capitol riot.

 

[cytg111]

I'm in my mid 40's.

So we all live under fascism in an oligarchy.

Good solution. Great for your grandkids. Then their best options are Canada, or Europe. So best thing is make sure they take lots of language classes. That is if the public schools are even allowed to offer those courses when the budgets all get cut drastically by a party that realizes the less educated the population is, the better for them.

Make sure they have money for private school. The ones that aren't religious.

Canada or Europe will only buy you time.
The US falls, we all fall. We may have a delayed reaction here, but lets get real. When the, by far, largest military complex and intelligence capability goes 100% policy for hire in a mafia state whose *identity* is threatened by the mere concept of democracy, human rights, elections etc... its fucking game over.

GAME OVER.

Its the other way around, if the US descends into a civil war I hope that freedom fighters will pour in from western nations to help twart the Nazi's.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Did we know that NC had booted him off the ballot?

Feb. 1 (UPI) -- Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., is suing North Carolina elections officials after they removed his name from the ballot in the upcoming 2022 election.

Cawthorn filed the lawsuit in federal court Monday against the North Carolina State Board of Elections, contending it does not have the authority to remove his name from election ballots.

Earlier in January, 11 North Carolina voters filed a complaint against Cawthorn, alleging he played a role in last year's attack on the U.S. Capitol that constitutionally bars him from a re-election bid.

Rep. Madison Cawthorn sues N.C. elections board over effort to exclude him from ballot - UPI.com

Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., is suing North Carolina elections officials over an effort to remove his name from the ballot in the upcoming 2022 election.

www.upi.com

 

[trenchfoot]

Did we know that NC had booted him off the ballot?

Feb. 1 (UPI) -- Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., is suing North Carolina elections officials after they removed his name from the ballot in the upcoming 2022 election.

Cawthorn filed the lawsuit in federal court Monday against the North Carolina State Board of Elections, contending it does not have the authority to remove his name from election ballots.

Earlier in January, 11 North Carolina voters filed a complaint against Cawthorn, alleging he played a role in last year's attack on the U.S. Capitol that constitutionally bars him from a re-election bid.

Rep. Madison Cawthorn sues N.C. elections board over effort to exclude him from ballot - UPI.com

Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., is suing North Carolina elections officials over an effort to remove his name from the ballot in the upcoming 2022 election.

www.upi.com

He wants to side with the rebels but doesn't want to bear the consequences of his actions. I'm sure he thought it would make him look really cool and bump his ratings numbers by playing the Trump sympathy card, only to realize he didn't think far enough ahead that the protests Trump was inciting turned into an insurrection that blew up in his face.

 

[simpletron]

Did we know that NC had booted him off the ballot?

Feb. 1 (UPI) -- Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., is suing North Carolina elections officials after they removed his name from the ballot in the upcoming 2022 election.

Cawthorn filed the lawsuit in federal court Monday against the North Carolina State Board of Elections, contending it does not have the authority to remove his name from election ballots.

Earlier in January, 11 North Carolina voters filed a complaint against Cawthorn, alleging he played a role in last year's attack on the U.S. Capitol that constitutionally bars him from a re-election bid.

Rep. Madison Cawthorn sues N.C. elections board over effort to exclude him from ballot - UPI.com

Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., is suing North Carolina elections officials over an effort to remove his name from the ballot in the upcoming 2022 election.

www.upi.com

Cawthorn hasn't been removed from the ballot, yet.

All that has happened is NC voters filed a complaint with the North Carolina State Board of Elections(NCSBE), alleging Cawthorn is ineligible due to 14th amendment(aiding an insurrection). NCSBE agreed to create a 5 person panel to hear the complaint, as required by NC law. The creation of this 5 person panel is temporarily on hold until redistricting is complete because the 5 members must be from his district. Now Cawthorn is suing NCSBE in federal court to block this hearing.

Personally I think Cawthorn suing is a sign this complaint has a chance of success and Cawthorn involvement in events around Jan. 6 is far deeper than a speech at the Ellipse. It wouldn't surprise me if Cawthorn was one of the unnamed Republican congressman that Trump was coordinating with to overturn the election.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Maybe if rep. Cawthorn focused on legislation instead of messaging he mightve learned what the laws actually said. Doubtful, but possible.

 

[hal2kilo]

A majority of the “conservatives” on msnbc don’t recognize their former party either and most of them call it like it is. The shift leftward after trump, again, wasn’t a shift. Most weren’t covering “what stupid shit trump did today”, they were trying to piece together a lot of the corruption we have since found out to be true. MSNBC’s mistake wasn’t how they covered trump after he was elected, it was how they covered trump when he was running for president. Most admit their mistake but it’s too late. They helped to normalize trump along with pretty much all of the media. MSNBC, unlike some others is at least trying to correct that mistake.

The point being, there was no shift, we just aren’t used to the blatant corruption and the wholesale denial of facts by a whole party.

Nicole Wallace a former Bush communications person, is probably one of the most watched MSNBC shows after TRMS. But, as you say, they were all freaked out about Trump because they are normal humans and love this country, not a person.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Will the people of NC prevail against the lawbreaking lawmaker?

Opponents ask N.C. judge to uphold effort to bar Rep. Madison Cawthorn from re-election over Jan. 6 attack - UPI.com

Elections officials and several North Carolina voters asked a federal judge this week to allow a punitive proposal -- which would bar controversial Rep. Madison Cawthorn from seeking office again -- to move forward.

www.upi.com

 

[UNCjigga]

Personally I think Cawthorn suing is a sign this complaint has a chance of success and Cawthorn involvement in events around Jan. 6 is far deeper than a speech at the Ellipse. It wouldn't surprise me if Cawthorn was one of the unnamed Republican congressman that Trump was coordinating with to overturn the election.

There’s absolutely no way Trump was directly coordinating with Cawthorn. Maybe Meadows or someone else was using him as a go between. But Trump? He’d never trust anything to a guy in a wheelchair. Too weak for his image.