"Caylee's Law" *updated OP with text of law*

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I'll say it again... Would anyone have introduced a bill like this if CA was found guilty? No.

"You don't know that!"

Yes I do... It's simple. Did anyone propose this law BEFORE the verdict? No. It's a knee jerk reaction to a botched trial and an unpopular verdict. And for those of you who are screaming about needing a law like this for situations like this. SituationS? Why do you think this trial was such a huge story? I'll tell you. Because it doesn't happen every day. Most infanticide cases are pretty cut and dried. This case was unique.

We don't need a law. It'll never apply to CA. It won't add any time to her jail sentence. The thought that it will come into play again as it MIGHT have in this case seems more than just remote. It's a bad idea. I guarantee there will be unintended negative consequences. Just let it go.
 

Deeko

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Blackjack200

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None of these laws would have applied to Anthony anyway. She didn't 'fail to report a missing baby'; the baby was dead.
 

ProfJohn

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None of these laws would have applied to Anthony anyway. She didn't 'fail to report a missing baby'; the baby was dead.
The law requires you to report a missing OR dead child.

So it would have certainly gotten Casey because her daughter was either missing or dead and she failed to report either.


There are similar laws on the book for other crimes where they layer one charge after another in order to ensure that a person is found guilty of something.
 
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The law requires you to report a missing OR dead child.

So it would have certainly gotten Casey because her daughter was either missing or dead and she failed to report either.


There are similar laws on the book for other crimes where they layer one charge after another in order to ensure that a person is found guilty of something.

They did layer up charges and she was found guilty.
 

DrPizza

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So, what if someone kidnaps your child and says "you have 30 days to raise $10,000 cash. If you contact the authorities, I'll kill your child."
 

silverpig

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So, what if someone kidnaps your child and says "you have 30 days to raise $10,000 cash. If you contact the authorities, I'll kill your child."

You can "what if" any law.

What if a guy tells you to shoot one person, and if you don't he'll kill 20?

I'm not entirely opposed to this law. If anything, the trial exposed a hole in the law. How can it be legal for a child to go missing and for the parent to not report it for 31 days?

I don't know about the 48 hour thing though. I seem to recall cases where people call the cops when someone has been missing for 6 hours and they won't do anything until the person has been missing for at least 24 or 48 hours.

Maybe the prosecutors should go all Law & Order on the family and go after the grandparents in order to force the mom to admit to everything, then get her on all sorts of other charges.
 

waggy

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as with any "reaction" law they have a great meaning but fail in reality.
 

Anarchist420

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This is a bad law, but it's going to become a federal law. It's possible that Casey wasn't even the killer anyway or that she didn't even know what she was doing. Maybe she was having a seizure. The evidence for the guilt is there, but the evidence for her innocence is also there.
 

waggy

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This is a bad law, but it's going to become a federal law. It's possible that Casey wasn't even the killer anyway or that she didn't even know what she was doing. Maybe she was having a seizure. The evidence for the guilt is there, but the evidence for her innocence is also there.

hmm there is NO evidence of her innocence. There is enough to cast reasonable doubt.

there is a difference...
 

ProfJohn

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They did layer up charges and she was found guilty.
They also felt that she did it, but wouldn't convict due to lack of evidence.

This charge would have been a slam dunk and Casey would be looking at 10-20 years instead of walking free.


IMO the people opposing the law are saying "we have too many laws, I'd rather a killer walk free than pass another law"

It is really a stupid argument. The government passes laws like this all the time. Florida passed 274 new laws last year.

A lot of them are common sense laws that make things illegal that weren't but should have been before or stiffen the penalties for repeat offenses:
Underage drinking (HB 33):
Changes: Stiffens criminal penalties for anyone caught two or more times giving alcohol to underage drinkers. Anyone who facilitates underage drinking would be subject to a first-degree misdemeanor on the second offense.
 
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They also felt that she did it, but wouldn't convict due to lack of evidence.

This charge would have been a slam dunk and Casey would be looking at 10-20 years instead of walking free.


IMO the people opposing the law are saying "we have too many laws, I'd rather a killer walk free than pass another law"

It is really a stupid argument. The government passes laws like this all the time. Florida passed 274 new laws last year.

A lot of them are common sense laws that make things illegal that weren't but should have been before or stiffen the penalties for repeat offenses:
Underage drinking (HB 33):
Changes: Stiffens criminal penalties for anyone caught two or more times giving alcohol to underage drinkers. Anyone who facilitates underage drinking would be subject to a first-degree misdemeanor on the second offense.

Buying alcohol for minors happens all the time. Minors are accident prone to begin with, drunk minors even moreso...

Like I've said all along... My litmus test is as follows: Would anyone be talking about this law if she was found guilty?

This isn't a consistant problem. There aren't a glut of mothers burying their kids under suspicious circumstances. And no law you pass will put her in jail.
 

actuarial

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They also felt that she did it, but wouldn't convict due to lack of evidence.

This charge would have been a slam dunk and Casey would be looking at 10-20 years instead of walking free.


IMO the people opposing the law are saying "we have too many laws, I'd rather a killer walk free than pass another law"

10-20 years for not reporting a kid missing for 48 hours. Seriously?

And the people against this law are saying:
a) The killer didn't walk free
b) This situation is exceedingly rare
c) Due to b) the law will apply to more situations you don't want it to then ones you do
d) There are already laws that should apply here (neglect, endangment)

IMO the people in favor of this law are saying "OMG we need to prevent something that didn't even happen from happening again please save us guberment"
 

werepossum

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Okay, that's funny as hell.

Buying alcohol for minors happens all the time. Minors are accident prone to begin with, drunk minors even moreso...

Like I've said all along... My litmus test is as follows: Would anyone be talking about this law if she was found guilty?

This isn't a consistant problem. There aren't a glut of mothers burying their kids under suspicious circumstances. And no law you pass will put her in jail.
I'm not sure that's a good litmus test. Had she been found guilty, few of us would think that NOT notifying authorities of a missing child is a problem, but now we see evidence that it is indeed a problem. I think a better (though much less clear-cut) litmus test would be does this solve any (admittedly statistically rare) problems without introducing significantly more new problems?

However, had this law been in affect, I doubt the jury would have convicted. They seem to believe that her father killed the child, in spite of the fact that the parents called in the police. If they are that muddle-headed, they would probably also blame the father for her not notifying police.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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IMO the people in favor of this law are saying "OMG we need to prevent something that didn't even happen from happening again please save us guberment"

It's actually kind of funny that one of the top partisan posters, who totally supports small government, personal responsibility, anti-socialism, and all the other neocon talking points turns around and wants a "big government" law passed. Talk about 100% turnabout.
 

ProfJohn

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It's actually kind of funny that one of the top partisan posters, who totally supports small government, personal responsibility, anti-socialism, and all the other neocon talking points turns around and wants a "big government" law passed. Talk about 100% turnabout.
How is this 'big government' ??

I am opposed to murder too, is that a big government law??

The law is pretty simple and would only be applied in very few cases.

1. Your child is missing for 48 hours and you think their safety may be at risk then you must report it to the police.
2. Your child died in an accident then you must report it to the police within 24 hours.

Simple stuff. I don't think it imposing too much for people to report missing or dead children.
 

nonlnear

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How is this 'big government' ??

I am opposed to murder too, is that a big government law??

The law is pretty simple and would only be applied in very few cases.

1. Your child is missing for 48 hours and you think their safety may be at risk then you must report it to the police.
2. Your child died in an accident then you must report it to the police within 24 hours.

Simple stuff. I don't think it imposing too much for people to report missing or dead children.
PJ, you are being blissfully naive in your projection of how this law would be used. I can imagine a host of scenarios wehrein a parent is vulnerable to prosecution when they are not guilty of violating the law simply because they cannot produce evidence that their child wasn't actually missing for the duration that the police suspect. Not to mention that after a few years of using this horrible law, when children actually do go missing, if it isn't reported almost instantly the police will start instantly suspecting the parents of falsifying the timeline so as not to appear guilty of failing to report in time. There will also be times when parents may, through no fault of their own, not have reported a dead or missing child in time* and have a very good reason for lying to the police. It could end up hurting a lot of missing children investigations.

* You are probably going to argue that this is totally impossible, and there is never any excuse for not being able to report in time. But consider that this effectively outlaws any hiking trip without a cell phone - which to some people defeats the major purpose of getting away from it all. There are also many scenarios possible with a babysitter who turns out to be less reliable than the parent. I could go on...
 

mrjminer

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hmm there is NO evidence of her guilt. There was never enough evidence to cast reasonable doubt, but she was tried anyways, and people cast her guilty regardless of the complete and utter lack of evidence suggesting she did it.

FTFY
 
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