Cayman XT photo leak

[SlowSpyder]

The performance of current cards is fine, what's needed is new features. Bringing something new to gaming. Judging by the steam survey most people game at 1080p or less. So going from 60fps to 70fps won't mean anything.

B.S. I want both. I game at higher than 1080P. I want features that actually mean something to me. Eyefinity is not for me. 3D is not for me (as of now). Physx is a joke. But what did AMD bring out that we didn't have with the 5xxx cards? Looking at the AT review: DX11, Eyefinity, bit streaming, new and improved AF and SSAA. So who knows what new features might be added with the 6xxx cards.

And as far as performance goes, I have games now that dip well below 60FPS (some dip below 30FPS) when using SSAA. And not to mention that many people buy a card and sit on it for a few years - like your GTX260. So extra oomph now will likely translate into playble FPS in upcoming games.

So we can't really say what everyone needs, many hardly think that a 5870 or GTX480 are all they need. If I can get more performance for the same price that a current card costs, then I'm all for it.

 

[Grooveriding]

B.S. I want both. I game at higher than 1080P. I want features that actually mean something to me. Eyefinity is not for me. 3D is not for me (as of now). Physx is a joke. But what did AMD bring out that we didn't have with the 5xxx cards? Looking at the AT review: DX11, Eyefinity, bit streaming, new and improved AF and SSAA. So who knows what new features might be added with the 6xxx cards.

And as far as performance goes, I have games now that dip well below 60FPS (some dip below 30FPS) when using SSAA. And not to mention that many people buy a card and sit on it for a few years - like your GTX260. So extra oomph now will likely translate into playble FPS in upcoming games.

So we can't really say what everyone needs, many hardly think that a 5870 or GTX480 are all they need. If I can get more performance for the same price that a current card costs, then I'm all for it.

:thumbsup:

This is why ATI is currently the dominant provider of DX11 hardware by such a huge majority.

They are continuing to bring more performance on a tight release schedule while nvidia thinks consumers are willing to wait for the level of performance you get from ATI's new cards in lieu of useless features.

Seems they don't want to wait, as most of the DX11 installed base is ATI.

 

[bryanW1995]

I have been reading a lot about newer AA modes with the new cards from both camps. I never bothered messing with it with the gtx 260, but now I'm running 8xSS in nwn2, nice improvement!

 

[Wreckage]

:thumbsup:

This is why ATI is currently the dominant provider of DX11 hardware by such a huge majority.

They are continuing to bring more performance on a tight release schedule while nvidia thinks consumers are willing to wait for the level of performance you get from ATI's new cards in lieu of useless features.

Seems they don't want to wait, as most of the DX11 installed base is ATI.

Of course you have 2 GTX480s I guess AMD was not dominant enough, more back of the bus.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

To sell my 5850 or not...?

 

[Hauk]

To sell my 5850 or not...?

Smart to wait on concrete details, esp price, perf, and release dates! I've sold a month beforehand and hated every minute of it..

 

[happy medium]

I'm looking real hard at the the 6770 vs gtx460 1gb. Thats gonna be my next card choice, unless they get the gtx475 out the door for under 300$.

I'm not waiting for the 6870 in December or early 2011, thats just too far away.
Time will tell.

 

[Will Robinson]

I'm looking real hard at the the 6770 vs gtx460 1gb. Thats gonna be my next card choice, unless they get the gtx475 out the door for under 300$.

I'm not waiting for the 6870 in December or early 2011, thats just too far away.
Time will tell.

You should buy an NVidia card.

 

[Grooveriding]

To sell my 5850 or not...?

Definitely wait. I'll be selling my 480s to upgrade to 6870s, but won't move on that till the release date is announced.

If you can complete your sale before the new cards are actually released, it will still fetch a fair price. I'm pretty confident I can dump these 480s for a good 75-80% of market price even with the 6870 release date announcement.

Sell now and you'll be without a card for a couple months, not fun

 

[nitromullet]

Sell now and you'll be without a card for a couple months, not fun

True. You definitely want a decent rig between now and the holidays. NV really launched Fermi at about the worst time possible - right in the middle of the yearly gaming drought.

 

[bryanW1995]

if 6870 is pushed back to january then amd will not be doing a good job of capitalizing on a very strong market position, at least with fermi nvidia knew they had a dud anyway.

 

[extra]

Of course you have 2 GTX480s I guess AMD was not dominant enough, more back of the bus.

I just had a thought. Maybe brilliant, but probably retarded.

Wreckage works for AMD. It's all clear to me now. He comes in and "thread craps" on ATI threads under the guise of an nvidia marketing person / fanboy / whatever.

But in reality, what he writes is phrased in such a way as to make him look completely ridiculous. It turns people against him until everyone accepts that he's a crazy fanboy / nvidia marketing person / or whatever. Then we / they tone him out. However, they don't place him on ignore because unlike some others he's not actually offensive or maddening, just kind of "ridiculous and slanted"--he doesn't make overt personal attacks, anything like that--his posts are often genuinely fun and enjoyable to read. Subconsciously, over time, people begin to associate this negative opinion of wreckage with nvidia fans and eventually nvidia themselves.

Wow. And every amd thread, he's there...re-inforcing the negative nvidia image in the minds of the people already interested in the amd product (they are reading the thread, after all). That's marketing genius.

Edit: (all in good fun, giggles, don't worry). I have a gtx470. The thing that excites me most about this upcoming generation is just adding another cheap (under $200) 470 and sli'ing it, woot). Fermi's not that bad once you've got it under water, really tames it.

 

[Madcatatlas]

omg extra... you had to ruin it by staying on topic at the end there. I DEMAND you edit out the "serious" bit

on-topic: its just a pcb.. couldnt care less what it was called, aslong as it floats.

 

[Elixer]

I thought both AMD & Nvidia had TMSC running at max capacity, if that is the case, then if AMD allocated some 6xxx production runs, that would mean that some 5xxx will be in short supply. I am sure none of the OEMs want to be sitting on a bunch of old cards with 6xxx ramping up steam.

Unless of course GF is now producing AMD 6xxx cards ?

Which means, it will be about a 2 month wait before it is possible to see any 6xxx card available 'everywhere'.

Unless of course, you see places that are clearing out 5xxx which don't look like that is happening, but maybe they had tight supplies to begin with, but still, you would think you would see more and more places that sell them be out of stock faster.

This is all just speculation of course.

 

[bryanW1995]

no, with 5850 down to 239 + rebate on a great model like msi twin frozr, you know something is afoot at the circle k, er, tsmc. also, nvidia price drops aren't just for fun, they know what's coming and want/need as many gtx 460's sold as possible as FAST as possible.

@extra: apoppin thinks (or at least he used to) that wreckage is rollo. I don't know if that's true or not, but rollo was also 100% biased 100% of the time. also, rollo was very witty and clever, especially in pm's when he could seem downright decent.

ok, maybe they're not the same person, but it was an interesting thought

 

[Dark Shroud]

AMD probably cut 5800 series production recently or will do so soon. The sale that just dropped today from MSI is too big to ignore. By the end of the week we should see some sure signs if others have dropped as well.

I also doubt the 6800 series will be released as late as January. I would expect November to hit prime holiday shopping. But I would still wait until a confirmed release date to unload cards if you don't have a back-up.

 

[Idontcare]

I just had a thought.

omg extra...

@extra:

Folks, let's not turn this into a "pick on [insert poster name here]" thread.

Take your off-topic personal commentary offline - pm, pfi, skype, whatever works for ya - and keep it out of your publicly viewable posts here in the VC&G technical forum.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

Moderator Idontcare

 

[extra]

Sorry, I will be good. Anyway! Back on topic.

I just had a thought. (An on topic one this time, ahem, sorry, lol).

Reading that new article about top to bottom geforce releases...laptop parts. Laptops outsell desktops at this point, don't they? Has there been ANY info on new laptop parts from AMD?

I hate to say it, but these nvidia parts seem to be way more interesting than the AMD ones currently available. Especially how nvidia is making the lowest end part actually...well...decent performing. Hopefully AMD gets the 6xxx series mobile lowest bin part up to 55xx performance instead of the 54xx--barely-above-integrated level. Anyone have any info on this?

 

[Will Robinson]

Sorry, I will be good. Anyway! Back on topic.

I just had a thought. (An on topic one this time, ahem, sorry, lol).

Reading that new article about top to bottom geforce releases...laptop parts. Laptops outsell desktops at this point, don't they? Has there been ANY info on new laptop parts from AMD?

I hate to say it, but these nvidia parts seem to be way more interesting than the AMD ones currently available. Especially how nvidia is making the lowest end part actually...well...decent performing. Hopefully AMD gets the 6xxx series mobile lowest bin part up to 55xx performance instead of the 54xx--barely-above-integrated level. Anyone have any info on this?

Here ya go:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour...lity-radeon-hd-6000-series-flagship/9755.html

 

[Silverforce11]

October for 6770. November for the high end.

Price cuts already started for the current 5800 series, all stock has to go, it will be EOL a few months after 6K series release.

The 5770 series aren't going to be replaced until early 2011, so prices at that end wont be affected. 6770 competing against gtx460 1gb, it will have near 5850 performance, but a lot stronger in tessellation. The pricing is going to depend on how NV price their gtx460 near release date.

Q1 2011 release for high end 6K is competitor FUD.

 

[Dark Shroud]

AMD will also be doing fusion on laptops for the lower end at least. So what will be interesting is to see if/how AMD is able to range the GPU core on those hybrid chips.

At least with Fusion as the CPU is refreshed we'll know the GPU is getting refreshed instead of an older chipset being used on mass produced mobos.

 

[RussianSensation]

October for 6770...
The 5770 series aren't going to be replaced until early 2011

That's a bit confusing. AMD is launching mid-range first - hence 6770. 5770 was also mid-range when it launched. Sounds to me like 6770 is the replacement for the 5770. :hmm:

 

[Dark Shroud]

Sounds to me like 6770 is the replacement for the 5770. :hmm:

The difference is the HD 6770 is going to be noticeably stronger than the HD 5770. That is also without OCing as well. If the leaks are accurate performance wise the HD 6770 should be a proper midrange card @ $200.

 

[Silverforce11]

That's a bit confusing. AMD is launching mid-range first - hence 6770. 5770 was also mid-range when it launched. Sounds to me like 6770 is the replacement for the 5770. :hmm:

AIBs have too many 5770 in stock and in production. There's no strong competition in it's bracket, so ATI is not going to release its replacement soon. There's a big market around the $200 mark, which is meant to be the 5830 but its just not selling cos its crap, even with price cuts. The gtx460 is a major threat in this bracket, it needs to be squashed, which is what the 6770 is all about. This gen, the "mid-range" has got a lot more oomph since Barts is essentially 2/3 of a Cayman XT. Unlike the 5770 which is 1/2 of a 5870. Thats why the 6770 is coming in first.

However, theres going to be a quick release of the high end 6870s and dual-GPU cards, because having the performance crown is always good.. and importantly, the stock on the 5800 series isn't high (demand is still good) so it doesn't hurt them to replace it asap and just take a bigger perf/price lead.

I'm going to pass another tidbit, early drivers aside, crossfire on the 6K series is a lot improved.

NV is keeping the lid quiet (no leaks or huge press spins) on their gtx490.. cos they found out that dual-gtx460 will only match the single Cayman XT while being much hotter and a power hog. I think at this point, it isn't even worth it for them to bother releasing it. No title crown, unlike with Fermi (even if its hot/hungry, it's still the fastest single-GPU card).

 

[Will Robinson]

If Cayman XT matches two GTX460s in SLI that would be a truly impressive performance for this new chip.
Makes me smile to think what dual Cayman Pro chips on one card will perform like.