CBO analysis of new tax bill, $100k+ earner gets big cuts, poorer earner will tax more after bill

[Ns1]

I'm still waiting to hear how this is all the democrats fault.

because emails. and Benghazi. And Bill Clinton.

 

[sdifox]

because emails. and Benghazi. And Bill Clinton.

Uranium One!

 

[Engineer]

and when the deficit gets too big, time to pull out the big GOP guns and shoot up SS and Medicare...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9ae6ad9d-44d5-3aad-a0cf-52b23c0063c2/ss_sen.-rubio-tells-a-secret:.html

 

[Maxima1]

and when the deficit gets too big, time to pull out the big GOP guns and shoot up SS and Medicare...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9ae6ad9d-44d5-3aad-a0cf-52b23c0063c2/ss_sen.-rubio-tells-a-secret:.html

Well, that's nothing new. There are establishment Democrats OK with it as well. Remember Obama & Boehner Grand Bargain?

 

[Engineer]

Well, that's nothing new. There are establishment Democrats OK with it as well. Remember Obama & Boehner Grand Bargain?

Well, Obama isn't in power now nor is Boehner. We're talking about the current people in power....no #Whataboutism here.

 

[Jhhnn]

and when the deficit gets too big, time to pull out the big GOP guns and shoot up SS and Medicare...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/9ae6ad9d-44d5-3aad-a0cf-52b23c0063c2/ss_sen.-rubio-tells-a-secret:.html

Shameless arrogance.

 

[bshole]

Shameless arrogance.

Fuckers couldn't even wait until they gave the money to the rich before talking about taking the money from us. They are absolutely confident that they will not pay a price for the theft..

 

[Maxima1]

Well, Obama isn't in power now nor is Boehner. We're talking about the current people in power....no #Whataboutism here.

Wasn't whataboutism. I'm just pointing out that many in the establishment have wanted to gut SS & Medicare for awhile now. Trump, btw, was the only person in the primaries openly saying he wouldn't touch them.

 

[bshole]

Wasn't whataboutism. I'm just pointing out that many in the establishment have wanted to gut SS & Medicare for awhile now. Trump, btw, was the only person in the primaries openly saying he wouldn't touch them.

It's cute when you pretend to believe that Trump will prevent Republicans from gutting them. Are you going to pretend to be surprised when they finally go through and gut those programs? I don't know. All I do know for sure is that it will not affect your vote in the least. Self-preservation is apparently an unknown quantity in the typical Republican voter.

This is draining the swamp in the Republican world. From legalization of ISPs selling personal data, to killing Net Neutrality, to the greatest wealth transfer to the rich in American history..... this is what they mean when they say drain the swamp. Most corrupt oligarchical administration in history.

 

[Puffnstuff]

The late show breaks this down for folks.

 

[brycejones]

It's cute when you pretend to believe that Trump will prevent Republicans from gutting them. Are you going to pretend to be surprised when they finally go through and gut those programs? I don't know. All I do know for sure is that it will not affect your vote in the least. Self-preservation is apparently an unknown quantity in the typical Republican voter.

This is draining the swamp in the Republican world. From legalization of ISPs selling personal data, to killing Net Neutrality, to the greatest wealth transfer to the rich in American history..... this is what they mean when they say drain the swamp. Most corrupt oligarchical administration in history.

"Populism" in legislative terms for the GOP means practicing faith based economics that giving rich people more money and corporations more power will somehow translate into more prosperity and freedom for average Americans. Despite decades of evidence that it doesn't work.

Its why Trump loves the uneducated they still have faith.

 

[Engineer]

Wasn't whataboutism. I'm just pointing out that many in the establishment have wanted to gut SS & Medicare for awhile now. Trump, btw, was the only person in the primaries openly saying he wouldn't touch them.

Point out Dems that are currently in office that want to gut SS/Medicare?

Also, I've got a bridge to sell you if you think T-Rump would veto a GOP gutting of SS/Medicare.

 

[K1052]

Looking like the leadership has bought off Ron Johnson with changes to the pass through provision and are going to stiff Corker/Flake. This, probably, gives them the bare minimum needed for passage but Collins hasn't said yet. Also nobody has seen the bill yet, they're going to vote on it blind lol.

Then they go to conference with the House and christ knows what will emerge from that.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, that's nothing new. There are establishment Democrats OK with it as well. Remember Obama & Boehner Grand Bargain?

You mean this?

https://thinkprogress.org/final-maj...elease-social-security-hostages-74f77d10ddaf/

How does that match your characterization?

 

[K1052]

Corker thinks the GOP "probably" has the votes to pass.

On another note it doesn't look like Congress will pass a short term CSR to avoid sending the government into shutdown during the conference committee, which could substantially complicate the politics of this. Conservative house Rs hate CSRs and don't want anything to do with it and Dems don't see anything to lose.

 

[Maxima1]

You mean this?

https://thinkprogress.org/final-maj...elease-social-security-hostages-74f77d10ddaf/

How does that match your characterization?

No, why are you denying the attempt for "grand bargain"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/magazine/obama-vs-boehner-who-killed-the-debt-deal.html

Obama has said several times that we're out of money or other similar things

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-the-us-government-is-broke-2009-5

"OBAMA: Well, we are out of money now. We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decisions we've made on health care so far. This is a consequence of the crisis that we've seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades.
So we've got a short-term problem, which is we had to spend a lot of money to salvage our financial system, we had to deal with the auto companies, a huge recession which drains tax revenue at the same time it's putting more pressure on governments to provide unemployment insurance or make sure that food stamps are available for people who have been laid off.

So we have a short-term problem and we also have a long-term problem. The short-term problem is dwarfed by the long-term problem. And the long-term problem is Medicaid and Medicare. If we don't reduce long-term health care inflation substantially, we can't get control of the deficit.

So, one option is just to do nothing. We say, well, it's too expensive for us to make some short-term investments in health care. We can't afford it. We've got this big deficit. Let's just keep the health care system that we've got now."

Also, I've got a bridge to sell you if you think T-Rump would veto a GOP gutting of SS/Medicare.

Well, duh. The point was that it was obvious where the others like Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich stood. And their absurd flat tax plans were pretty telling.

 

[fskimospy]

No, why are you denying the attempt for "grand bargain"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/magazine/obama-vs-boehner-who-killed-the-debt-deal.html

Obama has said several times that we're out of money or other similar things

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-the-us-government-is-broke-2009-5

"OBAMA: Well, we are out of money now. We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decisions we've made on health care so far. This is a consequence of the crisis that we've seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades.
So we've got a short-term problem, which is we had to spend a lot of money to salvage our financial system, we had to deal with the auto companies, a huge recession which drains tax revenue at the same time it's putting more pressure on governments to provide unemployment insurance or make sure that food stamps are available for people who have been laid off.

So we have a short-term problem and we also have a long-term problem. The short-term problem is dwarfed by the long-term problem. And the long-term problem is Medicaid and Medicare. If we don't reduce long-term health care inflation substantially, we can't get control of the deficit.

So, one option is just to do nothing. We say, well, it's too expensive for us to make some short-term investments in health care. We can't afford it. We've got this big deficit. Let's just keep the health care system that we've got now."

Well, duh. The point was that it was obvious where the others like Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich stood. And their absurd flat tax plans were pretty telling.

You should read your own quotes more closely. Obama was talking about controlling health cost inflation, which is a common sense thing that everyone is for.

 

[bshole]

You should read your own quotes more closely. Obama was talking about controlling health cost inflation, which is a common sense thing that everyone is for.

It appears like he wants to talk about ANYTHING other than the ugly stepchild the Republicans are going to pass. I hope he has oiled his sphincter like the rest of us because we are really going to take it in the ass this time.

 

[hal2kilo]

Wasn't whataboutism. I'm just pointing out that many in the establishment have wanted to gut SS & Medicare for awhile now. Trump, btw, was the only person in the primaries openly saying he wouldn't touch them.

And you believed him?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wasn't whataboutism. I'm just pointing out that many in the establishment have wanted to gut SS & Medicare for awhile now. Trump, btw, was the only person in the primaries openly saying he wouldn't touch them.

Trump said many things that he doesnt have any intention of doing.

 

[Maxima1]

You should read your own quotes more closely. Obama was talking about controlling health cost inflation, which is a common sense thing that everyone is for.

He flat-out says we're out of money in the beginning and nowhere does he say Obamacare itself would resolve the whole thing. It's GOP talk. So it becomes obvious why he was open to the grand bargain with Boehner.

Here's another:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/22/obama-proposes-deeper-federal-role-college-funding/

“At some point, the government’s going to run out of money,” the president said.

 

[vi edit]

Corker thinks the GOP "probably" has the votes to pass.

On another note it doesn't look like Congress will pass a short term CSR to avoid sending the government into shutdown during the conference committee, which could substantially complicate the politics of this. Conservative house Rs hate CSRs and don't want anything to do with it and Dems don't see anything to lose.

I think the only saving grace in this for GOP is that the fuse is delayed enough that the real pain won't set in until post 2018. This should be a career ending vote for most of these GOP senators up for relelection. Will see how well the democrats can leverage that position next fall.

 

[Maxima1]

Trump said many things that he doesnt have any intention of doing.

The point wasn't about Trump. It was that despite that being popular, the other GOP candidates refused to say something similar to Trump. Instead they rolled out completely absurd flat-tax proposals.

 

[fskimospy]

He flat-out says we're out of money in the beginning and nowhere does he say Obamacare itself would resolve the whole thing. It's GOP talk. So it becomes obvious why he was open to the grand bargain with Boehner.

Here's another:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/22/obama-proposes-deeper-federal-role-college-funding/

“At some point, the government’s going to run out of money,” the president said.

And there he's talking about college tuition inflation, something else that basically everyone agrees is important to rein in.

You really, really need to start reading your own links more closely.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Talk about delusional...

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Republicans Senators are working hard to pass the biggest Tax Cuts in the history of our Country. The Bill is getting better and better. This is a once in a generation chance. Obstructionist Dems trying to block because they think it is too good and will not be given the credit!