Question....do the poor working class not get subsidies and Medicaid expansion to pay for said high priced insurance?
The poor working class (8,000,000 people) are paying a 2.5% tax on their income because they can't afford health insurance. So....not only do that get a HUGE TAX PENALTY, they get ZERO INSURANCE. Democrats have a really twisted idea of what "helping" the poor looks like in the real world.
Question....do the poor working class not get subsidies and Medicaid expansion to pay for said high priced insurance?
Out-of-pocket insurance costs are huge for the poor working class above the poverty line...even with subsidies and Medicaid expansion. When you live hand-to-mouth...insurance is a luxury and it makes more sense financially for them to pay the mandate penalty. The system really sucks for them.Question....do the poor working class not get subsidies and Medicaid expansion to pay for said high priced insurance?
The poor working class (8,000,000 people) are paying a 2.5% tax on their income because they can't afford health insurance. So....not only do that get a HUGE TAX PENALTY, they get ZERO INSURANCE. Democrats have a really twisted idea of what "helping" the poor looks like in the real world.
Out-of-pocket costs are huge for the poor working class above the poverty line...even with subsidies and Medicaid expansion. When you live hand-to-mouth...insurance is a luxury and it makes more sense financially for them to pay the mandate penalty. The system really sucks for them.
Why can't they afford insurance? Does it have anything to do with medicaid expansion being blocked perhaps?
Seriously you're so transparently dishonest its like you're not even trying anymore.
He fools himself first & the rest follows from there.
It's amazing that he was able to fool himself so completely here as this is easily the worst tax bill ever seriously proposed. I'm not even talking about the liberal/conservative part of it. (this part is morally monstrous and economically stupid as well though) Much like the health care bill this thing is just so incompetently written that people have already noted tons of unintended consequences stemming from it. This is the sort of thing that happens when you are desperately trying to rush through a historically unpopular bill before people can mobilize against it. Same thing happened with the health care bill.
The bill is bad and the Republicans know it's bad. In a sane world that would mean they wouldn't want to pass it. In our world it means they are furiously trying to pass it before anyone notices just how shitty it is. This is the second case of this from the same people who complained the ACA (which took a year) was insanely and unreasonably rushed. Sadly, they can rely on useful idiots to convince themselves that this shit is actually something good.
Out-of-pocket insurance costs are huge for the poor working class above the poverty line...even with subsidies and Medicaid expansion. When you live hand-to-mouth...insurance is a luxury and it makes more sense financially for them to pay the mandate penalty. The system really sucks for them.
ACA is complete horseshit. The real solution is single payer.So the solution would be expanding Obamacare tax credits or Medicaid access. I’m going to guess that you’ve never supported this.
ACA is complete horseshit. The real solution is single payer.
Too bad 8,000,000 people didn't get the memo....must suck to be them.
I understand the intent of the mandate...but it's clearly not working. I don't understand why Democrats don't see this. 11.4mm enrollees, 12mm exemptions and 8mm electing to take the mandate penalty (largely the poor working class).The ACA isn't perfect but it's a path towards that. Medicaid expansion is a way of bringing more people under the government umbrella. Although arguably Medicare is a better run system with better options. The mandate is there as a stop loss to beef up risk pools with low risk policies. It's intent is to push young and healthy that would otherwise skip it to add to the risk pools to better protect the high risk that are using more than they are putting in.
I understand the intent of the mandate...but it's clearly not working. I don't understand why Democrats don't see this. 11.4mm enrollees, 12mm exemptions and 8mm electing to take the mandate penalty (largely the poor working class).
They'll make it better for 8,000,000 people who are hurting and need help the most.So the GOP will make it work better? Really?
I understand the intent of the mandate...but it's clearly not working. I don't understand why Democrats don't see this. 11.4mm enrollees, 12mm exemptions and 8mm electing to take the mandate penalty (largely the poor working class).
So the 8 million won't have to pay 2.5% penalty, but they will have to pay higher taxes negating the 2.5% income gain, and another 13 million will lose their insurance completely. How is this better?They'll make it better for 8,000,000 people who are hurting and need help the most.
The 8 million you toss out was for 2014. In 2016 it was down to 5.5 million. As for why? It's for a number of reasons. Ignorance. Living in state that didn't opt into expansion. Self employed that are really screwed when it comes to health care in general. And so on. But the number was going down year over year.
Yeah, I have cousin that runs his own trade business. He has had a bad back for years, but got really messed up in a car accident. The car insurance company is refusing to cover the cost of the surgery because of his pre-existing condition and the accident wasn't that bad. Instead of getting Obamacare and getting his back taken care of, he has been fighting with the insurance company (now suing them) for three years. Meanwhile his business has fallen apart because he can't do the manual labor and doesn't charge enough to pay someone else to do it.Wife has an acquaintance who noted on Facebook that she refused to get health insurance because Obamacare is socialism which is evil and wrong.
When her son broke a bone, she drove two hours to a Native American hospital for free care because she has enough heritage to qualify.
The IRS indicates 11 million filed for exemptions in 2016 (see link Page 78). Where are you getting your information?The 8 million you toss out was for 2014. In 2016 it was down to 5.5 million. As for why? It's for a number of reasons. Ignorance. Living in state that didn't opt into expansion. Self employed that are really screwed when it comes to health care in general. And so on. But the number was going down year over year.
The 2.5% income gain will not be substantially negated by taxes. How are 13 million people going to lose their coverage completely if the mandate is eliminated?So the 8 million won't have to pay 2.5% penalty, but they will have to pay higher taxes negating the 2.5% income gain, and another 13 million will lose their insurance completely. How is this better?
How are 13 million people going to lose their coverage completely if the mandate is eliminated?
CBO and the JCT estimate that, by itself, repealing the mandate would reduce federal deficits by about $338 billion over the 2018–2027 period and increase the number of uninsured people by 4 million in 2019 and 13 million in 2027.
They'll make it better for 8,000,000 people who are hurting and need help the most.
So the 8 million won't have to pay 2.5% penalty, but they will have to pay higher taxes negating the 2.5% income gain, and another 13 million will lose their insurance completely. How is this better?
Straight from the horse's mouth, estimate from the CBO, go to page 10:The 2.5% income gain will not be substantially negated by taxes.
Once again, straight from the horse's mouth, direct link:How are 13 million people going to lose their coverage completely if the mandate is eliminated?