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Not sure who Anthony is, INE's CCNA course is taught by Brian McGahan. I haven't watched it so I can't comment on the quality.

Brian is very good. I have not seen this one by him. News to me.

I love what I see with Chris Bryant and believe he does an excellent job. He reminds me of the format from Learnkey but slower and clearer.

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Got my apprentice working on Chris Bryant again this late evening - it's just past midnight now.

I stopped her to review Class A, Class B, and Class C Network's and explain for her CIDR notation. A light clicked for her tonight. She's been over it I don't know how many times and knows how to decipher CIDR notation but she didn't quite seem to understand the difference. That light turned on tomorrow.

She promised me she's go over IP Addressing and Subnetting with CIDR/VLSM and Summarization for IPv4 tomorrow.

We are going to use some choice videos from YouTube since I found about a half dozen or so I want her to watch - that's going to take her at least 6-12 hours or so or until she get it 100% - it may take her more than one day but it will be well worth it when she cracks this nut.

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She's working on IP Subnetting taking a sheet and working out the CIDR notation, the network, host, bits, and available IP's on paper, one by one, tedious.

She's getting it but she said she wants to know it better.

No stopping.

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If she wants a site with what seems like endless subnetting questions, I'd recommend subnetting.org as a reference. It won't walk her through how to get the correct answers, but it does at least show the answer when you're ready. I used it before I took my CCENT and will revisit very soon for CCNA.
 

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If she wants a site with what seems like endless subnetting questions, I'd recommend subnetting.org as a reference. It won't walk her through how to get the correct answers, but it does at least show the answer when you're ready. I used it before I took my CCENT and will revisit very soon for CCNA.

Thanks!

There are a few out there. I've take the time to point her in quite a few directions.

I gave her a few documents and cheatsheets I've collected over the years and a couple or three books on IP Subnetting.

She seems to be fixated on the videos by Train Signal - TCP/IP and CCENT (not current - an earlier version) and then she is using the Bryant notes with the CCENT from Train Signal + one of the tutorials I gave her that has a break out.

I've already showed her how to use the calculator to help with binary and hex.

I've showed her a few matrices on how to breakdown bits to numbers to cidr etc.

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Thanks again. Just went to the dining room where she is setup to study and told her.

She tried the site and loves it. She made it a favorite ASAP.

Her comment was "Good, I can try it and if I get it wrong you can explain it,".

Nice site and very quick response.

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Just got some word on that $100.00 per hour 6 month gig.

Looks like we are moving forward on that contract. I'm to expect an interview soon for this one.

Same story for the Firewall Admin job a little north of here. Seems it is in the same stage but a little more delayed.

If some of you are wondering...

I am a contract professional, that means I take contracts (1 week to 6-12 months or so) that I can work on at my own leisure and on my own clock and get the work done.

I have a third contract that is in the Middle East and I am awaiting the interview for it. It pays very well. Very very well.

I typically work for rates from $55.00 to $150.00 per hour and sometimes I can get as many as 5 different contracts working at one time. It's not a life of privilege but instead a life of service.

I remember someone asked how I expect my student to be able to get employed in this field... Well I got myself employed in this field and I didn't have any help with it to speak of. It'll work.

I know too that some say I should offer a service for career coaching or something like that. Sounds nice but translate it to a way to pay the bills and I'm there.

The fact is this, people who need the coaching the most probably can't afford my services and rates. Arguably, it would probably be great to offer a 40-hour or 80-hour class on doing what I do and teaching the way I do it, however, the cost would be $5,000 - $10,000 per week or two per student. The worst part is this: If I tell people how to do what I do, it is so amazingly simple and easy they wouldn't believe me anyway and it would take me a week or two to get them to hear it all.

Truly, I had a friend once who I told to bill a consulting client $20,000.00 - he asked for $12,000.00 and got it without even a frown. Just like that. He tripped out on it and felt a little dumb that he didn't listen to me - He left $8,000.00 on the table just like that.

I had another friend who worked for a consulting firm that hired me to perform a network assessment and I told him I'd do it for $12,000.00 and he should bill the client $20,000.00. He didn't believe me. I'm not sure what his firm billed them. I earned $12,000.00 for that 1 month of work I performed. I think he left money on the table too. He told me that the competition had bid only $2,000.00 and that was it.

I spoke to the CIO myself and offered my services with an outline of deliverables and she said that was what she wanted in the first place and was willing to pay what my client had asked - hopefully 10x more than the competition's $2,000.00 or so.

I always seem to get my price, whatever it is. I do a little research and I guess it pays off. To each his or her own I suppose.

The trick is to get paid so we can pay the bills.

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She worked all night and complete a 40 page set of notes re-written in her own words and those classful IP Address breakdowns I wrote about earlier.

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She came home and hit the books, actually videos.

More IP Addressing and Subnetting.

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Ok - Looks like she has crept her way into studying Hexadecimal when I wasn't looking.

I'd talked about it her briefly before. Looks like she is just jumping right in just now.

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I gave he my breakdown of hex. This means I broke out the programmer's calculator again and started making a numbered list starting at 0x00 and going to 0x0F and then explaining that 0xFF = 255. For a total range of 0-255 or 256 numbers. (corrected as noted below).

The next thing was how to explain the 100's place, 10's place, and 1's place in a decimal number.

So we have the 16's place and the 1's place in hex. Using the calculator to help us out a bit, I showed her several examples, one after the other.

She got it after a few examples.

"I can't learn this!" was the first thing she told me.

About 3-4 minutes later. She understood where I was coming from and then worked out a few examples for me, like 0x11 = 16 +1 or the 1 is in the 16's place and the secomd 1 is in the 1's place for a total of 17, etc. I corrected this based on the correction replies below. I did show her an example of 0xA1 which has a decimal value of 161. Writing too quickly.

Now she's got the concept in her head.

I told her not to be too concerned with IPv6 until after she thoroughly mastered IPv4 all the way into basic configuration and troubleshooting/verification of routing protocols and of course, the same for hex.

Whew!

We are getting there.

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Err, 0xFF = 255 and 0x11 = 17. If she's doing what you wrote above you've got her pretty lost.
 

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Pretty sure 0x11 = 17, maybe you meant 16 + 1 which would explain the 161 although it's a strange way of writing it...
 

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You are correct guys. I got it a little mixed up writing about it this morning.

I did use the 16+1 =17 example.

And I was trying to explain the concept of 256 values 0-255, for example.

Same goes for my breakdown of binary.

It seems that trying to explain that the number 0 has a value that must be accounted for can be interesting. More than I originally counted on. Pardon the pun.

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Seems way overkill for CCNA...but she'll be set to move forward with CCNP.

CCNA should be about 3-6 months and not really require much real hands on if you are good with sims and have touched the gear before.

I like Jeremy Cioara's stuff as he is pretty funny when he is doing it...also Wendell Odom has a ton of stuff out there and Kevin Wallace now he has released a lot of his videos for free. The website is 1examamonth.com

I have my CCNA/CCNP R&S, CCNA-Wireless, and CCNA-Voice
 

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Seems way overkill for CCNA...but she'll be set to move forward with CCNP.

CCNA should be about 3-6 months and not really require much real hands on if you are good with sims and have touched the gear before.

I like Jeremy Cioara's stuff as he is pretty funny when he is doing it...also Wendell Odom has a ton of stuff out there and Kevin Wallace now he has released a lot of his videos for free. The website is 1examamonth.com

I have my CCNA/CCNP R&S, CCNA-Wireless, and CCNA-Voice

True.

However, the CCNA is just a certification and it can be passed with a few weeks of practice exams if that is all one wants is a piece of paper to plaster on a wall somewhere or to stick in a filing cabinet.

I need her to be a bit more than that.

At the end of our time together, I need her to be functional - it has to be the way she lives and thinks. It has to be a natural thing. Kinda like knowing how much 1+1 is.

I started her with Jeremy and he kinda of gives a lot of analogies and examples. She was getting bored with this line of teaching.

So... I tried a few youtube examples and found that many spoke too fast for her to digest.

I knew Anthony Sequeria's style would be too parent to child-like... So that would probably not work.

I started thinking:

1. Bryant
2. Wallace
3. Lammle
4. Learnkey

I have some older videos from Learnkey on the CCNA and Switching, so I tried this with her. The guy spoke kind of quick, gave great examples at the CLI, and ultimately went too fast for her to digest. We still watch them some, but only after we have covered the material in depth and have discussed every possible avenue of understanding.

I bought Wallace's CCNA/CCNP Video series and let her sample them. She likes them too. So they are on the agenda.

I have not introduced her to Todd Lammle yet.

She got to Chris Bryant and loved the idea that he got straight to the point. He simply told her what the technology was and how to use it. Not much fluff if any. There is a few extra words.

I just visited INE's site for the CCNA and I can hear it in the background right now from my iPhone. So I think she's trying it out again.

She said McGahan looks nervous and couldn't help hearing him repeat "Uh" so many times per minute.

I told her not to fear he delivers. His rate of speech is faster and full of energy. So maybe a little later.

I've discussed with her the idea that she will need to experience each instructor, one by one, before we move on from the CCNA.

Ideally, she should be able to teach or recognize any instructor's frame of reference when she encounters it.

At the moment, she's learning it.

I stand corrected, that's Eli the Computer Guy from Youtube and it sounds like subnetting and maybe some discussion of IP Conflicts.



Ultimately, I may offer some on-site CCNA Training/Mentoring and I expect her to serve as my co-teacher. Her style is slower than mine and I expect her style will complement mine along the way should we pursue this venue more seriously. We already own the facilities to do so.
 

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Today is good:

Got submitted for some work in Pensacola.

Got dropped from consideration for and some international work because I don't speak Hebrew.

Got submitted to a local international firm that needs my skillset - they were already interviewing but contacted me first they said and so they sent me over any way despite the fact they already had two people interviewing this week already.

Confirmed the trip date to Texas.

Got the dates for the Cisco SME work for updating some CCNP/CCIE certs in RTP. Looks like I may decline this due to a conflict in scheduling. Gotta be where I gotta go.

Yep! Exam changes are on the way.

Got another reminder about the CCIE Bootcamp and confirmation on what is being offered to me and my apprentice. Can't beat that with a stick. I know she is not ready for a CCIE Bootcamp just yet, however, it does offer free repeats and I'll expect her to go to them, with or without me, as her skills progress.

We are getting there.

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Alkemyst,

It seems I recall that Jeremy did a spectacular job on the latest CCNP training videos, including one on Troubleshooting.

I have some Cisco Live .pkt exercises for Packet Tracer that I enjoyed and found to be very "real world" and I think we'll use them along the way.

I also purchased all of the Ciscokits.com lab workbooks and I hope to send her through these as well.

Same for the Cisco Press CCNA Practical Studies through CCIE Practical Studies by Karl Solie (CCIE) - There are a ton of real-world examples here.

After these, I expect it will be all Cisco Validated Designs from there on out.

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However, the CCNA is just a certification and it can be passed with a few weeks of practice exams if that is all one wants is a piece of paper to plaster on a wall somewhere or to stick in a filing cabinet.

I need her to be a bit more than that.

At the end of our time together, I need her to be functional - it has to be the way she lives and thinks. It has to be a natural thing. Kinda like knowing how much 1+1 is.

Never was I suggesting brain dumps as an answer, but some of this stuff is a bit nutty you are doing.

The idea is you get your CCNA and then learn it. CCNA is just the pathway to CCNP...you can lab and lab and lab all you want, but nothing teaches you really what's up like the real world.

You are approaching her getting her CCNA as if she was doing the CCIE.

A lot of subnetting and the like is easier with just learning the patterns rather than studying all the binary math involved (which I had college level course work in and can do)...

You are going to burn her out, its got to be her passion; not your's and if it is she should be able to do all this legwork on her own.
 

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FYI - For those who may be curious, she has not started using the any CCNA practice exams just yet.

It seems she's got this thing about totally understanding the material first. Seems a little overkill to me, since I personally use practice exams first and foremost even before reading books and using video training or class training for a subject if at all possible.

I have supported this line of instruction with her since we started. She likes it and she's still working hard.

I might also disclose a tidbit of information that I know about my student:

She never studied before - all the way from 1st grade till she graduated from high school it seems she's never had to do homework or even read a book along the way. Some did it for her. No kidding. She graduated high school and was basically allowed to circumvent the entire process. She spent her time in classes with her sisters in one of their classes during 7th-12th grades. Unbelievable but true.

So the idea she is studying and reading and applying herself is, to me, quite amazing all by itself.

She told me that she had not read a book, until I got her started last year and she started reading some basic books on the A+ and Networking books for the Net+ and ICND, etc.

So this is really fascinating for me.

Yes, rural communities can be quite interesting if you study them long enough.

She did start her own businesses over the years - at least 3 of them so far.

She also purchased property for a bit of a hobby.

She's educated herself on some matters quite well.

She's learned quite a bit about building a building, electrical, plumbing, automobiles, etc. She's learned all of this by hands-on application. She helped to build one building and re-designed and built onto another quite extensively.

Now she's working on this material.

I expect she will excel as she has done so far.

I find all of this to be interesting and that's why I took on the challenge of helping her to learn what it is I do.

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Never was I suggesting brain dumps as an answer, but some of this stuff is a bit nutty you are doing.

The idea is you get your CCNA and then learn it. CCNA is just the pathway to CCNP...you can lab and lab and lab all you want, but nothing teaches you really what's up like the real world.

You are approaching her getting her CCNA as if she was doing the CCIE.

A lot of subnetting and the like is easier with just learning the patterns rather than studying all the binary math involved (which I had college level course work in and can do)...

You are going to burn her out, its got to be her passion; not your's and if it is she should be able to do all this legwork on her own.

Very true.

I think I may not be explaining the facts correctly.

It is her in the other room studying and taking notes, hour after hour. I am mostly completely removed doing my work until she has a question.

Every once in a while we stop to handle the affairs of life and take care of our business outside of the home.

She's a grandmother and has a very active life taking care of the grandkids and her younger brother (12) who spends a considerable amount of time with us.

It's not all work.

This is her goal. I am observing and offering assistance where needed or requested.

I am supplying the materials - I own a very significant investment in learning materials, equipment, and facilities.

I think she noticed this and has decided to take advantage of it completely.

As far as training a CCNA candidate like a CCIE... that's more true than false.

We have a CCIE Bootcamp date approaching.

Before that we have been offered some 3 months of free state of the art data center training as well. So hopefully she's up to being able to follow along with me when that opportunity approaches. It's all self-paced.

I am guilty of trying to forge a mini-me.

No doubt about that one.

However, it is what she wants and it is what she is doing - can't do it for her.

She just stepped in and I let her read your comments and my reply.

Her answer: "That's true"

I know this is not the way most people will learn this stuff.

You mention no experience like the real world.

I'm as real-world as you can get.


In another forum with a somewhat large audience, we are laying out the framework to help an undetermined number of people the opportunity to do just that - work a real world network, get real world experience remotely, and apply the principles of what they have learned on a "functional enterprise network".

Guess who has to perform the work? She does.

She's the "smart hands". It's her capstone project for what she is learning.

She's going to have to have an impressive display of real-world skills to perform the tasks. No doubt about it.

Think of this:

1. How many people have configured a Frame Switch, ATM Switch, or PSTN network to work as an ISDN switch?

- She will be asked to do this.

2. How many people will have taken the above framework and then upgraded it to an MPLS network and perhaps configure a Metro network to make things more real world?

3. AT&T offers a framework for a customer's MPLS network. I have upgraded or either migrated to this framework in the real world several times - including QoS and Multicast capabilities. So guess what she will have the opportunity to attempt? Yep. Nothing like real world.

4. She needs to know and feel what it is like to troubleshoot VPNs and work remotely to do so for other network components too. Got it covered I actually worked on and helped design in upgrades to a nice VPN system that we used to support thousands of consultants. It is nice to be an architect.

I'll expect her to not only build out the framework for this VPN network but to also use the documentation tools that are required to maintain and manage such a project without pulling her hair out.

Can't get much more real world than this.

5. I once managed and upgraded a largish 2000+ device network - a huge switching infrastructure. So I expect her to help design that architecture, complete with a data center, dmz, and business partner zone, not to mention a Frame Relay WAN. She can do it.

6. Same story for an ATM WAN that serviced over 50 sites. I'd expect her to do the same thing for this one.

7. A data center with dmz can be complex and even more so when several dozen 10-30,000 user networks are also included in the mix. I expect her to be able to perform the task at some point.

8. The list goes on and on...

The idea is that she is going to be able to step on my shoulders and perform the work I've done over a decade in under 3 years or so - possibly less.

I'm sure the plan will change along the way but I'm not going to give up on her.

After all, why should an engineer to be like her be denied the opportunities for work doing some or all of the above if she can actually perform the work spoken of?

None.

Some may argue the point, but are those same people doing this kind of work on a daily basis? Some may be and some may not be.

I know CCIE certified professionals who are not.

She's not a CCIE or even a CCENT yet, but I'm not going to let her education level or credentials interfere with her learning how to plan, design, implement, and maintain a modern enterprise network.

She'll make some mistakes - hopefully more than less - but who has not?

I know I expect a lot but I see potential and I am investing my own time and energy into it and can afford to do so. If I can't, won't, or change my mind that's another matter. If she decides at some point this is too much, the same is true. She'll stop.

I can say this, no one can tell this lady what to do. She's grown, she's mature, and she makes up her own mind.

Truly, can anyone possibly imagine "making" a person persevere this kind of training who does not want to perform the work she's doing?

It's boring, tedious, time-consuming, and just generally not what the average person might do for entertainment. Agreed?

Nope, this is her dog and pony show. I'm just a casual observer.

I am sponsoring the event.

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