It has come out that the guy who called the police on him was a homeless guy who was harassing him for money. He refused, flashed his gun at homeless guy, homeless guy calls police on him. Police don't know the full story, they see him and then this happens.
It has come out that the guy who called the police on him was a homeless guy who was harassing him for money. He refused, flashed his gun at homeless guy, homeless guy calls police on him. Police don't know the full story, they see him and then this happens.
This one definitely is more "worthy" a cause than the guy down in Louisiana. The guy down in Louisiana was a sex offender, was carrying a gun, was reported he threatened someone with the gun, had like 5 kids, was resisting arrest.
This guy was none of that.
Sex offender - doesn't matter and the cops didn't know.
Carrying a gun - doesn't matter. Carrying a gun is legal.
Reportedly threatened people - doesn't matter
Had like 5 kids - WTF? you can't be serious that you think this is a valid reason.
Resisting arrest - I haven't seen evidence he was. And in any event - doesn't matter.
Let's see, sex offender? Yeah, probably doesn't matter if non-violent and non-child-related. Carrying a gun? Likely illegal due to the sex offense conviction. Threatening somebody WITH said probably illegal gun? DEFINITELY illegal. It's called brandishing, look it up. The kids thing probably doesn't matter, unless he was convicted of a sexual offense against a minor. Resisting arrest could be anything from squirming around as the cop cuffs you, to running, to assaulting an officer. Hell, he might have even flashed his piece at the cop.
I'm going to Monday morning quarterback this incident on the grounds that I've done law enforcement directly for 3+ years as a Military Policeman (21+ years of total Army Reserve time as an MP after that).
First, the officer seemed pretty damned agitated at the point that the video started. Why? He's got almost a complete tactical advantage in that situation. Driver has to make some pretty concerted efforts to draw weapon giving the officer plenty of reaction time to seek cover, etc. Why is he so fucking scared/intimidated of this one guy with girlfriend and child in the car who also disclosed that he was a concealed carry person?
Second, the driver's field of view/shot picture is almost exclusively in the area of the officer's body armor (assuming he's wearing it, which why wouldn't you be if you're this scared of a confrontation). Why wear fucking body armor if you're so afraid to use it that you just shoot first all the time? Yeah, I'm sure getting shot in the vest fucking hurts, but training and adrenaline are there for a reason.
Finally, what the fuck is up with these officers shooting people and then simply standing there watching these people bleed out and die? WTF?! You shoot someone to incapacitate them and control a deadly situation, then you should immediately transition to completely eliminating the threat (AKA, take the gun, knife, etc., away) and then treating the injured. This asshole literally appears to have just stood there, gun still pointing at the victim, the girlfriend, and the kid in the back seat watching this guy die. Fuck, even Soldiers are taught that if you shoot a bad guy and eliminate the threat, you do your best to save the life.
This shooting seems nonsensical, like many of them are lately, and callously idiotic. Even if he would have shot the guy and dragged him out of the car and begun medical aid he might have helped the situation not appear what it is now, total disregard for human life.
Guys like this police officer I suspect are the ones that go home and watch fucking YouTube videos over and over again of those shootouts on traffic stops and then just hope for their chance at glory. In fact, they should ask as part of the interview process "How many times on average do you think officers get into deadly altercations in this municipality?" and if the answer is grossly off from the real statistics, that should be an indicator of a problem right up front.
I agree with most of your post, though the bolded portion is nothing short of absurd.
Everything else though, yeah...this is ridiculous.
Always disclose as you are handing your license and registration to the officer not before. your hands are in plain view in a non threatening way and his hands are busy with what you are handing him and you are complying with the law that requires you to disclose. At that point follow his directions to the letter. He may just look at your CPL and ask where the weapon is located in the vehicle. He may ask you to surrender your weapon for the duration of the traffic stop. Pay close attention and do exactly as you are told. Most cops are fine but some like apparently this one are so terrified while on the job they completely lose control. I certainly hope this department does the right thing and holds the officer responsible for his actions. That is assuming it did in fact go down as was represented in the linked article.
For years cop friends have told me that if you have CCW or legally have a gun in the car that they do not want to be told because "paperwork".
However, these are old timers.
For years cop friends have told me that if you have CCW or legally have a gun in the car that they do not want to be told because "paperwork".
However, these are old timers.
Sex offender - doesn't matter and the cops didn't know.
Carrying a gun - doesn't matter. Carrying a gun is legal.
Reportedly threatened people - doesn't matter
Had like 5 kids - WTF? you can't be serious that you think this is a valid reason.
Resisting arrest - I haven't seen evidence he was. And in any event - doesn't matter.
It is a legal requirement to disclose in the state of Texas.
are you a paid police apologist>>????It has come out that the guy who called the police on him was a homeless guy who was harassing him for money. He refused, flashed his gun at homeless guy, homeless guy calls police on him. Police don't know the full story, they see him and then this happens.
It is a legal requirement to disclose in the state of Texas.
I was pulled over a few years ago. The officer asked for my registration. I told him it was in my glove box with my pistol and asked if he would like to secure it. He said something like "Why do I care where your gun is, mine is right here" patting his holster. I reached in, got out my registration and handed it to him.
If I wasn't white I probably would be dead.
I think the last time I had lights and sirens in the rear view was back in the 90's.
I'm not sure I've ever had the siren treatment. Last time I had lights in my rear view was last year. I had a brake light out.I think the last time I had lights and sirens in the rear view was back in the 90's.
carrying a gun while being a sex offender and having been convicted of a felony is not legal. just to be clear.
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Guys like this police officer I suspect are the ones that go home and watch fucking YouTube videos over and over again of those shootouts on traffic stops and then just hope for their chance at glory...
Many years ago I remember getting pulled over on my motorcycle by a motorcycle cop for speeding. I was going 45 in a 45 zone but it was a school zone (with no children present) and every single vehicle around me was going the same speed as I was... but I digress.
He pulled me over, I turned the motor off and put the bike on the side stand and got off and as he walks up I'm fumbling with my jacket trying to turn off my ipod so I can hear the guy and I'm thinking afterward that that probably wasn't the brightest thing to do but he just stood there and waited for me to finish and remove my helmet so we could converse.
He was cordial and I was polite. He gave me a ticket and sent me on my way. Probably could have been worse though if he was the paranoid type.