CD Projekt fining Pirates who illegally download the Witcher 2 instead of using DRM

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Texashiker

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I think that this is a great idea, anything that punishes the pirates, and doesn't punish paying customers (like DRM does).

How does DRM punish paying customers?

Sure there are things liked a limited number of installs, or having to register for a windows live account, requiring an always on internet connection, or requiring a gamespy account,,,,,.

But how does DRM "really" punish paying customers?
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Jan 24, 2004
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How does DRM punish paying customers?

Sure there are things liked a limited number of installs, or having to register for a windows live account, requiring an always on internet connection, or requiring a gamespy account,,,,,.

But how does DRM "really" punish paying customers?

You answered your own question... Good job, too bad you're not smart enough to realize it.
 

dpodblood

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May 20, 2010
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How does DRM punish paying customers?

Sure there are things liked a limited number of installs, or having to register for a windows live account, requiring an always on internet connection, or requiring a gamespy account,,,,,.

But how does DRM "really" punish paying customers?

GFWL is punishment enough.
 

Martimus

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How does DRM punish paying customers?

Sure there are things liked a limited number of installs, or having to register for a windows live account, requiring an always on internet connection, or requiring a gamespy account,,,,,.

But how does DRM "really" punish paying customers?

Due to the DRM on Dragon Age Origins, I spent hours trying to get the game to work while their servers were down before giving up. I had to sign up for a slew of things and memorize a bunch of user names and passwords just to play a single player game, which I still haven't played since the authentification server was down for more than a week and by they time they fixed it I had given up on getting the game to work.

If I was a pirate, I could have just downloaded the game and played it. I wouldn't have had any hoops to jump through. I wouldn't have had any problems at all. Instead I had issues since I was a paying customer.

A lot of people don't mind DRM until they come accross a particularly intrusive version of it, and it makes you mad that you have to jump through so many hoops for what is essentially just some cheap entertainment.

I don't ever want an experience like I had with DA:O again. If companies get a way to increase revenue without resorting to intrusive DRM, then I hope they all follow suit. I have had too many issues with Steam and other DRM that I am tired of all of it.
 

Edogaa

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May 20, 2011
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I agree. The "what if I break the disc" excuse is extremely pathetic. If I break a home appliance or some other item, nobody is going to give me a free replacement.


How the fudge is sticking a CD or DVD into a DVD/CD Drive, then it exploding for no reason abuse?


Because that has happened before and yes, I've signed up to say how stupid your argument is. -_- Oh, and it isn't just for 'old discs' either ,seems people who buy new DVDs or CDs can have this happen too. Though, its not too common, but I Wouldn't be surprised if a few CDs or DVDs were to come out defective making people who paid money to play the damn game incapable unless they 'ILLEGALLY ACCESS' the game they have the bloody license for.

I also get the feeling there are other ways for a CD or DVD to get handled correctly and still break or get lost. Even if you do call up the company for another CD it still takes time for it to arrive. Not something everyone has, and don't give me any of that 'patience is a virtue' garbage. Its not like all human beings have the same morals or level of will as 'you' seem to believe you do or that it necessarily makes them wrong. -.-
 

smackababy

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How the fudge is sticking a CD or DVD into a DVD/CD Drive, then it exploding for no reason abuse?


Because that has happened before and yes, I've signed up to say how stupid your argument is. -_- Oh, and it isn't just for 'old discs' either ,seems people who buy new DVDs or CDs can have this happen too. Though, its not too common, but I Wouldn't be surprised if a few CDs or DVDs were to come out defective making people who paid money to play the damn game incapable unless they 'ILLEGALLY ACCESS' the game they have the bloody license for.

I also get the feeling there are other ways for a CD or DVD to get handled correctly and still break or get lost. Even if you do call up the company for another CD it still takes time for it to arrive. Not something everyone has, and don't give me any of that 'patience is a virtue' garbage. Its not like all human beings have the same morals or level of will as 'you' seem to believe you do or that it necessarily makes them wrong. -.-

WTF are you going on about? You put a CD in the drive and it blew up? I somehow don't believe you. Also, a CD/DVD isn't going to get lost or break unless YOU mishandle it. CDs that are sitting in a jewel case don't magically fly across the room or get scratches from inactivity. You can't lose a CD from proper handling. "Oh I had it sitting on my self and it magically disappeared." Really now?

In the event something does happen to you CD, like an earthquake damaged it (and I'm sure that copy of Witcher 2 will be your largest priority), if you registered your game you will probably get a downloadable version in your email if you contact the company.
 

Edogaa

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May 20, 2011
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WTF are you going on about? You put a CD in the drive and it blew up? I somehow don't believe you. Also, a CD/DVD isn't going to get lost or break unless YOU mishandle it. CDs that are sitting in a jewel case don't magically fly across the room or get scratches from inactivity. You can't lose a CD from proper handling. "Oh I had it sitting on my self and it magically disappeared." Really now?

In the event something does happen to you CD, like an earthquake damaged it (and I'm sure that copy of Witcher 2 will be your largest priority), if you registered your game you will probably get a downloadable version in your email if you contact the company.


1.) It did happen, and it damaged my CD/DVD drive.

Also, what I got from googling for (dvd exploded in drive, the fact that this is one of the top searches suggests it hash appened to people a lot. lol) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWI9MM1Zlfo

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-120065.html though, the fact he modified his drive may have had something to do with it... :/ but it still shows it does happen.

though, this post

http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...ide-the-drive-from-a-drive-exceeding-24x-True

makes me believe my dvd drive could've been defective, or that the CD or DVD itself was and the heat emitted by the laser over time added some stress to it cause it to break into pieces in the drive. :/

Either way, I assure you it did happen. And if a drive you use is defective or the CD Itself is, how would you be at fault?

Though, this doesn't seem to be common considering what the 2nd poster said. :/ Though, I should also keep in mind, 10 -100 thousands worth of people or even higher will buy the game, so the chances that someone may get unlucky enough to get a defective CD or DVD exists.

Then you have people with children or pets who can't really be faulted with what their children or pets due to their discs.

2.) Not everyone likes to register, and direct download isn't always as fast as a decently seeded torrent (which, judging from all the Linux distros I've downloaded, utilizes all my bandwidth and downloads MUCH FASTER than direct download). Nor are downloads guaranteed to continue if your browser crashes. Which sounds like a crummy reason but I wouldn't be surprised if at least someone with a messed up CD/DVD downloaded it from a torrent for this reason, while they technically have the license to play the game. While you can't say they can't distribute it, who says they need to distribute it after the torrent is done? Or just disable seeding? At that point, it seems like a rather gray area.

Then there are people who download the game through another persons WIFI (probably limiting the bandwidth a little so they don't wonder why they're not is so slow). By the way, not everyone is tech savvy enough to put a password around their hotspot, or to use something better than WEP (which from what I read can be cracked easily). PLus, there are still other methods of distribution besides bittorrent, IRC, USENET, and file hosting sites. So this isn't completely effective and they may still get a lot of innocent people. Though, in most cases the ones they'll get will be pirates, but I guess by some standards the 'ends justify the means.' How cliche. lol

By the way, I can't say what the 'right way' is but I still feel this is a better direction then punishing people who actually bought the game. Like, 100x better, but I really hate it when people go on some kind of 'crusade' or holier than thou attitude.
 
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trungma

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Why should it? The original purchaser already paid the publisher/studio, so why should the second or third owner also do so?

When you purchase a used car, you don't also give money to Ford for making the car. The original purchaser gave their money to Ford already.

Bad analogy. You pay for a license to use the software which is generally non-transferable. The old way of distribubing media allowed you to sell it because it was tangible. Steam, Netflix will change all that.
 
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