CDProject talks about piracy

Bateluer

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-22-witcher-2-torrents-could-net-you-a-fine

Interesting read.

Of course we're not happy when people are pirating our games, so we are signing with legal firms and torrent sneaking companies," CD Projekt co-founder Marcin Iwiński said.

"In quite a few big countries, when people are downloading it illegally they can expect a letter from a legal firm saying, 'Hey, you downloaded it illegally and right now you have to pay a fine.'

"We are totally fair, but if you decide you will not buy it legally there is a chance you'll get a letter.

I fully intend to buy The Witcher 2, and the lack of DRM in it is a very selling point.
 

Martimus

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I like this method of fighting piracy. It doesn't affect those that don't pirate, and could be a real deterent to those that do if the fines are really enforcable. I hope this becomes common practice rather than DRM.
 

Beev

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This is only going to catch stupid pirates, though... Who honestly deserve to be caught, but still, it's not going to deter "pro" pirates.
 

Raduque

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What I want to know is how much is their "fee"? Is it going to be outrageously ludicrous or fairly reasonable.

I support CD Projekt for making games DRM free (gog.com), but I don't really care for the Witcher.
 

Rakewell

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This is only going to catch stupid pirates, though... Who honestly deserve to be caught, but still, it's not going to deter "pro" pirates.

True... But it's enough to scare the stupid ones to buy, rather than steal. I'd wager that most pirates aren't that bright.
 
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CPA

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This is only going to catch stupid pirates, though... Who honestly deserve to be caught, but still, it's not going to deter "pro" pirates.

I doubt much if anything is going to deter a "pro" pirate.
 

SunnyD

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Support and respect your community, they will support and respect you. Threaten your community, enjoy your bankruptcy.

I'm surprised companies don't understand this better.
 

Martimus

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This is only going to catch stupid pirates, though... Who honestly deserve to be caught, but still, it's not going to deter "pro" pirates.

I will admit that I feel that all pirates deserve to be caught, not just those who aren't careful. I don't like anyone stealing things that don't belong to them, regardless of how much work they put into stealing it.

That said, even if this is successful at detering casual piracy, it will probably do its job and make back the money that CDProjekt put into hiring the firm. If this is shown to have success, I hope to see others start to follow this model as well, and hopefully fighting piracy will be more about the fear of the consequences of being caught than it will be about placing more intricate and obtrusive locks on the software.
 

Skurge

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True... But it's enough to scare the stupid ones to buy, rather than steal. I'd wager that most pirates aren't that bright.

Pirates usually have no intention of buying the game to begin with. Thats why I hate DRM. It's not going to make any pirate buy the game for a maltitude of reasons, but I have to deal with it. The customer.

I wonder how this is going to work.

Lol, whats a "PRO" pirate?
 

KaOTiK

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Good for them. They give treat their customer well giving a DRM free product and are just going after the problem. Hopefully this method proves to be popular in the future.
 

Anteaus

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I think this is a great premise. Basically, legit purchases are treated with respect. Only people who pirate would be subject to penalties, as they would be subjected to in any court of law if they shoplifted or stole goods in general. I don't know what they will be charging as a fee, but I imagine it will basically the full price of a license plus lawyer fees and a bit of interest for usage.

This sounds like it may operate similar to how those red light cameras operate. Basically, a law firm agrees to go after offenders with the understanding that their direct costs will come from any restitution. While they won't catch everyone, once people realize that downloading via p2p networks is not anonymous and that they can in fact be located in many areas legally it won't be long before some people will be gun shy about downloading. The latest rulings on Limewire only reaffirm the thin ice people are skating on.

Anyways, this won't stop piracy, but I think it's worth trying, especially if legit customers lose nothing in the process. I will definitely vote with my money in favor of CDProject this time around.
 

GoodRevrnd

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None of you are bothered by the fact that they are employing the abusive and questionable DMCA act to be able to do this?
 

Patrick Wolf

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Developers can't win. If they remove all restrictive DRM it just opens up 2nd-hand sales (namely on ebay) which hurts revenue almost as bad as pirating, but at least it's ethical. And pirates will pirate reguardless.
 
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crownjules

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You didn't fix shit. PC Gamers will hardly bother to go buy a crappy console port of a title. It's just lost revenue for the developer if they go that route. Their loss.

Sad to say, but I think most of the large developers are content to put out crappy PC ports because they consider their sales bonus money. But I think he was inferring that PC pirates have driven some developers to do console games primarily (or only) because piracy isn't as bad there. Plus they can charge $10 more.
 

snewdle

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While I am all for supporting developers and I have no problem with them trying to protect their virtual property, this to me sounds like a predominately empty threat. Not that they won't actually take action, but actually litigating a significant number of piracy cases/fines would likely never occur simply due to costs. They may pull an RIAA scare tactic and completely screw one or a few select individuals, but we've already seen how that has basically done nothing to deter the piracy of music.
 

mindcycle

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I'll happily support this, probably preorder the game soon. You would think by this point that more publishers would realize that adding intrusive DRM does nothing but drive potential customers away. I'm glad that CDProject has not only realized this but is going after the source of the problem instead of screwing legit customers with DRM.
 

ibex333

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Bateluer said:
"In quite a few big countries, when people are downloading it illegally they can expect a letter from a legal firm saying, 'Hey, you downloaded it illegally and right now you have to pay a fine.'

"We are totally fair, but if you decide you will not buy it legally there is a chance you'll get a letter.


Uhhhhhhhhh..... Peerblock anyone?
 
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AlgaeEater

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If the original game is DRM free, activation free, then I encourage anything they are doing.

I'm still bitter about Sacred II activation DRM to this day, and probably hold a grudge like no other regarding it. Only when the company go under did the new publisher / owner decide to release a revocation tool.
 
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coloumb

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Good - I'd say go after those damn annoying torrenters who suck up unecessary bandwidth from my newsgroup "reading"

Eh - they can't stop it and never will be able to either unless they control everything from their side of the fence [cloud based computing]. People who pirate are going to do it anyway with or without DRM.

Make a good game and it will sell...
 
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