cedar trail is a mutt

[antisocialmunky]

They aren't investing in it as the tablet market will dance on the netbook's grave eventually and they need to develop something to compete on the tablet market.

 

[Lonbjerg]

They aren't investing in it as the tablet market will dance on the netbook's grave eventually and they need to develop something to compete on the tablet market.

Are you talking about Medfield SOC?

 

[CHADBOGA]

Based on what?!

An improved process numbnuts.

And?

The results are underwhelming.

They improve their margins, logic.

They need to improve the number of design wins they have, which currently are pitiful. Improving your margins and having no sales is kinda pointless, logic.

Yeah lets forgot about the little thing called a new arch...:thumbsdown:
(go look up when the Atom gets a new arch)

I forgot nothing, you just don't have what it takes to comprehend discussions beyond very basic levels.

So we are back to comparing chickens to motorcycles...the cirle is complete...gothca.

Poor petal, so easily confused.

Ask mummy for a big glass of milk.

Personal insults are not allowed here. You are getting an infraction for this.
Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator.

 

[Lonbjerg]

An improved process numbnuts.

Then you were mistaken, the jump to 32nm was all about impriving margins...not the arch...that is the job of "medfield"

The results are underwhelming.

Accordngly to those who didn't look into the Atom series...sure...the rest of us...as expected.

They need to improve the number of design wins they have, which currently are pitiful. Improving your margins and having no sales is kinda pointless, logic.

How says the have no sales?
So we go from namecalling to inveting arguments/lying....nice :thumbsdown:

I forgot nothing, you just don't have what it takes to comprehend discussions beyond very basic levels.

Then why do you confuse "cedar rrail" with "medfield"?

Poor petal, so easily confused.

Ask mummy for a big glass of milk.

Nice fallacies...

 

[formulav8]

What AMD sold were IP relating to the handheld graphics and they actually sold it for $65 million. Everything else from the Imageon line was retained. What made Qualcomm so dominant in the mobile market was the combination of it's Scorpion CPU cores, it's wireless IP, as well as the graphics tech that it acquired from AMD.

My bad. What was sold for $12-$13 million I remember seeing then....

 

[aigomorla]

dude and honestly why would intel really care about the atom?

Atom is like a toy for them in the ultra low voltage area.
However there are lappy processors with all the performance u guys are whinning about at near wattage specs of the atom already.

However they cost a TON of money...

So why would intel care about a low ball TOY when they have things much better for much better profit already?

Its like Intel says Hey... we have a solar car... yeah its slow.. yeah its crap... but it runs...
And you guys are like MEH... its not fast as a battery powered electric.. while parked 3 spaces away is a citron electric car from intel that has 2 extra zero's at the end of the price tag.

Really people?

 

[blckgrffn]

dude and honestly why would intel really care about the atom?

Atom is like a toy for them in the ultra low voltage area.
However there are lappy processors with all the performance u guys are whinning about at near wattage specs of the atom already.

However they cost a TON of money...

So why would intel care about a low ball TOY when they have things much better for much better profit already?

Its like Intel says Hey... we have a solar car... yeah its slow.. yeah its crap... but it runs...
And you guys are like MEH... its not fast as a battery powered electric.. while parked 3 spaces away is a citron electric car from intel that has 2 extra zero's at the end of the price tag.

Really people?

It isn't right that AMD has an advantage in one segment, Intel must own them all, all the time, or they have utterly failed

 

[aigomorla]

It isn't right that AMD has an advantage in one segment, Intel must own them all, all the time, or they have utterly failed

then they failed a long time ago.

Intel doesnt have a decient gpu sector now nor do i think they even care...

When you think igp, and intel graphics... everyone goes EWWWWWWWWW....
But when you think processors solo, everyone knows what platform they want.

 

[Vesku]

It's not that Intel has to care but other companies are looking to fit their product in underneath their "TON of money" CPUs. At some point there won't be much of a market for the high margin low power products, Intel obviously doesn't think that time has come yet. Not that I would go off of PR, but they are at least saying they are concerned about this market shift occurring over the next few years. Hence the promise to be more aggressive with 22/14nm Atoms.

dude and honestly why would intel really care about the atom?

Atom is like a toy for them in the ultra low voltage area.
However there are lappy processors with all the performance u guys are whinning about at near wattage specs of the atom already.

However they cost a TON of money...

So why would intel care about a low ball TOY when they have things much better for much better profit already?

 

[cbn]

It's not that Intel has to care but other companies are looking to fit their product in underneath their "TON of money" CPUs. At some point there won't be much of a market for the high margin low power products

It is likely Intel has plans to go at least partially vertically integrated in the future as a way of solving this potential problem.

 

[Joepublic2]

It is likely Intel has plans to go at least partially vertically integrated in the future as a way of solving this potential problem.

I just wish they would act on them and finally ship a product that can go toe to toe with Zacate.

 

[cbn]

I just wish they would act on them and finally ship a product that can go toe to toe with Zacate.

Big question is what Graphics the Silvermont 2013 atom will use?

Intel Graphics (like the GMA 3100 in Pinetrail) or Power VR SGX like this Cedar trail (& Moorestown)

P.S. Can someone comment on the Graphics drivers in Pinetrail? How did they compare the Power SGX found in Moorestown, etc?

 

[Khato]

P.S. Can someone comment on the Graphics drivers in Pinetrail? How did they compare the Power SGX found in Moorestown, etc?

Well, the pinetrail graphics drivers were better than the SGX ones, but that's not saying much. As for actual performance comparisons between the two, sadly, it's somewhat annoying to find actual good benchmarks for any of the SGX535 based Intel graphics. But at least a basic idea of performance can be had from the 3dmark numbers available from notebookcheck.net:

GMA 500 - SGX 535 at 200MHz
GMA 600 - SGX 535 at 400MHz
GMA 3150 - Apparently a Broadwater derivative run at 200MHz in the N* pineview models

According to those, even at 200MHz the GMA 3150 slightly bests the GMA 600... and the GMA 3150 is simply pathetic by current PC standards.


As for that big question of what 2013 Silvermont designs will use for graphics... who knows? I haven't really seen much in the way of specifics on an atom roadmap - there's definitely way less information out than there is on the primary CPU line. Heh, though even on the primary CPU line there's not much information given in advance on the specifics of the graphics I guess.

 

[OCGuy]

This is a poor effor at an Intel hit-piece. Between this and that other one I just read where Charlie blasts Intel for being *gasp* a full quarter behind on 22nm and the new transistors....haha.

 

[ehume]

I can see that I've been ignoring the AMD side too long. With all the laptops in my household getting long in the tooth, I need to know enough to start making decisions.

I'm seeing 'Brazos' 'Zacate' and 'Bulldozer' and I have no idea what model numbers to link to them, except that the first two may be E350 and E450. So, can anyone link me to a primer on these things? I need an 'AMD Lineup For Dummies' page, so I can begin to comprehend.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I can see that I've been ignoring the AMD side too long. With all the laptops in my household getting long in the tooth, I need to know enough to start making decisions.

I'm seeing 'Brazos' 'Zacate' and 'Bulldozer' and I have no idea what model numbers to link to them, except that the first two may be E350 and E450. So, can anyone link me to a primer on these things? I need an 'AMD Lineup For Dummies' page, so I can begin to comprehend.

AMD lineup looks like this:

Low power: Brazos. This is your E series and C series APUs. They're low power, Fusion chips with a specially-designed low power x86 core(s) and integrated Radeon GPUs. For netbooks/HTPCs. Lowest rung

Mainsteam: Llano. This is the A series. These are 2-4 K10-on-32nm cores with integrated Radeon graphics. Designed for mainstream/higher performance laptops and low to midrange desktop PCs. The "mainstream" chip.

High end: Bulldozer. The FX chips. No IGP, new core architecture, comes in 4-8 core flavors. These are for folks looking to pair it with a higher end discrete GPU.

 

[ehume]

AMD lineup looks like this:

Low power: Brazos. This is your E series and C series APUs. They're low power, Fusion chips with a specially-designed low power x86 core(s) and integrated Radeon GPUs. For netbooks/HTPCs. Lowest rung

Mainsteam: Llano. This is the A series. These are 2-4 K10-on-32nm cores with integrated Radeon graphics. Designed for mainstream/higher performance laptops and low to midrange desktop PCs. The "mainstream" chip.

High end: Bulldozer. The FX chips. No IGP, new core architecture, comes in 4-8 core flavors. These are for folks looking to pair it with a higher end discrete GPU.

Thank you. Exactly what I needed.