Celeron 1.0A O/C

[ugh]

Hopefully this is not a repost; but take a look at this:

XBitLabs Cel 1.0A Review

The benchies are *really* nice!! Too bad memory is limited though...

 

[Richardito]

Yeah, but with really good memory (Tonicom or Infineon) you can max out the speed while maxing out the FSB for complete satisfaction.

Edit: My Infineon (CompUSA) 256MB memory stick is able to take a FSB of 152MHz at full speed (CAS 2, 4-way inter., etc.) with absolutely no errors! I love that memory, cheap and better than the 'overclocking' variety.

 

[arga]

ahahaha!! I have revived my "dead" Celeron 1A, thanks to Oldfart!!!
I am so happy

remember I reached 1.459 Mhz with default everything (voltage, intel fan, thermalpad, ordinary PC133).
So if I rise voltages I will probably go higher.
And I have 4 rows of memory. If I use just one stick, it will be easier.

But for now, I don´t wanna try. I want to recover from my previous shock

ah, one thing: I have removed the thermal sticker, and placed thermal paste instead,
but now the heatsink feels somewhat loose over the CPU. Whith the sticker the CPU
was totally fixed in place, because that sticker is somewhat thick; now, without the
sticker, there is a void that is filled by the paste, but of course things are not tight and fixed.

Is that a problem? any solution?

Arthur

 

[ugh]

<< ahahaha!! I have revived my "dead" Celeron 1A, thanks to Oldfart!!!
I am so happy

remember I reached 1.459 Mhz with default everything (voltage, intel fan, thermalpad, ordinary PC133).
So if I rise voltages I will probably go higher.
And I have 4 rows of memory. If I use just one stick, it will be easier.

But for now, I don´t wanna try. I want to recover from my previous shock

ah, one thing: I have removed the thermal sticker, and placed thermal paste instead,
but now the heatsink feels somewhat loose over the CPU. Whith the sticker the CPU
was totally fixed in place, because that sticker is somewhat thick; now, without the
sticker, there is a void that is filled by the paste, but of course things are not tight and fixed.

Is that a problem? any solution?

Arthur >>



Heh, read your other thread. Man, those scenarios really scare the living daylight outta you! Glad you got the problem fixed! I had the same experience last time with my Celeron 900. I could twist the heatsink around. I suppose the heat sink isn't as tight as those that come with AMD processors

 

[ugh]

<< Yeah, but with really good memory (Tonicom or Infineon) you can max out the speed while maxing out the FSB for complete satisfaction. >>



I suppose you're doing that right now by pushing yer Cel 1A to 1.52?

 

[Flash]

Bought another Cel 1.0A. Much better than the first one. Runs stable up to 1550 MHz with default voltage and Intel Boxed Fan on a TUSL2-C. Stable Limit is about 1580 MHz @ 1,525V. Starts @ 1600 into Windows but crashes with 3D. Makes no difference if I use one Infineon module 256MB PC133 CL2 or two Micron/Crucial modules 128MB PC133 CL2. Any higher than 1450 I have to use CL3 with both. Tried Matrox G400 and Diamond Viper 770 Ultra also makes no difference but have no newer videocard at the moment.

 

[techwanabe]

I noticed the Xbitlabs review uses the Abit ST6 mobo... Some have recommended the ASUS TUSL2-C but it has a BIOS problem at 140 mhz FSB and above... thus requiring a special BIOS flash. To be honest, I'd rather not have to flash the BIOS at this point in time to get 140 mhz FSB and above. The Abit solution looks attractive if it is a solid performer and good overclocker. Any comment about this?

I'm looking for a good boost for minimal dollar over my old system so this Cely Tualy looks pretty attractive. Heck, it would cost me a good $200 extra to go with an Athlon XP 1600+ and the Cely Tualy 1.5 ghz is within spitting distance of most of the benchies. Yes, a few are a good deal lower too... but for the money. Otherwise I'd need a new case/PS and new memory to get the faster system - and DDR memory is up right now.

BTW, are there any "recent" Tualy mobo reviews? The only ones I've found were pretty old. Thanx.

 

[oldfart]

Many people @ overclockers.com use the ST6. Seen nothing but good comments.

 

[techwanabe]

Thanks for the feedback oldfart... I really like ASUS boards (my P3V4X has been a solid board) but I want to keep things simple (KISS) and avoid BIOS flashes etc... The Abit board is a little cheaper and it appears to not need any special attention... if there are any reviews on this board, by all means give the links. Thanks!

 

[Flash]

I noticed the Xbitlabs review uses the Abit ST6 mobo... Some have recommended the ASUS TUSL2-C but it has a BIOS problem at 140 mhz FSB and above... thus requiring a special BIOS flash...

what bios-problem has the TUSL2-C at 140 MHz? I didn´t find any.

 

[chemhaqr]

I have got a 1.2 cel-t @ 1.77GHz right now and it will do 1800+MHz but I have no ram that can keep up with it. Of course the chip its self is at 0 deg. C or else this kind of OC would be impossible. It has been running for about 4 days like this now. Kryo cooling rocks I must say. I am also using the ST6. I hit 190fsb with a 1.2GHz tualatin PIII on it too so I would say it is a highly stable MOBO! I highly recommend it!

 

[arga]

chemhaqr, you are a beast, hehe (in the good sense of the word).

and about my MSI 815-EPT Pro I am having a lot of problems:
1.-whenever I go too far overclocking, the D-LEDs will block the board and I will have to clear the CMOS
1b.- The power supply cables did a bad contact and DLEDS got stuck in a "CPU damaged" state. I almost return my CPU.
Oldfart suggested me to clear the CMOS and everything went ok.
2.-The FuzzyLogic program for overclocking is useless: it shows wrong bus-frequencies (PCI=60Mhz, for example) and is unable to overclock.
3.- If I install the Intel Application accelerator (bundled with the MOBO), (INF drivers already installed), Windows Media Player will freeze (need to reebot PC).
4.- In windows Millenium, the System Restore won't restore previous states.

Perhaps problems 3+4 are caused by my graphics card: it is a PCI, not AGP.
But I have tried 2 different PCI cards and no change.
I have ordered a Radeon (AGP). I will see if the problems get fixed.
If not, I will replace the mobo for a TUSL2-C.

I have tried different hard disks and the problems stay the same

Arthur

 

[oldfart]

Yes, chemhaqr is the king of Tually overclocks.


<< whenever I go too far overclocking, the D-LEDs will block the board and I will have to clear the CMOS >>


What is too far? How high and how much vcore?


<< The FuzzyLogic program for overclocking is useless: >>


Dont use it. End of problem. Do it via bios settings. Why even bother with the fuzzy logic nonsense?


<< If I install the Intel Application accelerator (bundled with the MOBO), (INF drivers already installed), Windows Media Player will freeze (need to reebot PC). >>


IAA is optional. You dont have to use it. If you do, there is a newer version you should use. Go to Intels site and get version 2.


<< In windows Millenium, the System Restore won't restore previous states. >>


Never have (and never will) used WinME. Cant help you there.

 

[ugh]

<< chemhaqr, you are a beast, hehe (in the good sense of the word).

and about my MSI 815-EPT Pro I am having a lot of problems:
1.-whenever I go too far overclocking, the D-LEDs will block the board and I will have to clear the CMOS
1b.- The power supply cables did a bad contact and DLEDS got stuck in a "CPU damaged" state. I almost return my CPU.
Oldfart suggested me to clear the CMOS and everything went ok.
2.-The FuzzyLogic program for overclocking is useless: it shows wrong bus-frequencies (PCI=60Mhz, for example) and is unable to overclock.
3.- If I install the Intel Application accelerator (bundled with the MOBO), (INF drivers already installed), Windows Media Player will freeze (need to reebot PC).
4.- In windows Millenium, the System Restore won't restore previous states. >>



Wow, thank goodness I sold my EPT Pro. It wasn't really working with my old Celery 900.

 

[arga]

please, remember that I still don't know; maybe the problem is due to the lack of AGP card.
I will get the Radeon in a 1 or 2 days. I will post the result.
<< whenever I go too far overclocking, the D-LEDs will block the board and I will have to clear the CMOS >>
remember that I reach FSB 145 with everything default. But as soon as I want to go higher,
I can't. I rised Vcore up to 1.600 V (the mobo doesn't allow more) and FSB 155 MHz, and Vio 3.6 V (MOBO doesn't
allow more). As you can see, this is nothing extreme. But as soon as the mobo can't start, the D-LEDS will
activate, and they won{t allow me to enter BIOS to lower the frequency. and you know the story: I get stucked and I need to clear CMOS.

About the FuzzyLogic, yes, I won't use, as it is useless. But its a shame that MSI is promoting that shhit in their webpage.

Intel Aplication Accelerator: got the 2.0 version with no luck. I even Live-flashed the MSI board to the newest BIOS version and nothing changed.

Windows Me: I also tried W98: Windows media player worked ok, but got problems with the recycle bin.

Ah, I forgot another problem: My Satellite card, a Pinnacle PCTV sat, is not working well either.

Well, lets see if tomorrow I receive the Radeon64DDRVIVO and I can try it. But I am pessimistic.

Arthur

 

[oldfart]

The Tualatins can be odd. My PIII-S is kind of like that. I can get to a certain point easily, but to go farther, it seems to just hit a sudden wall. Lots more Vcore for not much more speed. My advise? Be VERY happy with 145 FSB with no Vcore increase. I've never seen another chip that will do that! 155 FSB is extreme for a 1.0A.

If the IAA doesn't work with your setup, don't use it. The MS IDE drivers work very well. Is your satellite card very sensitive to out of spec PCI speeds? 145 FSB = 36.25 MHz. That is not bad at all, but you never know. If you go to 133 FSB, do you have the same problem?

 

[arga]

Oldfart: read "Flash" 6th message in this same thread: he claims 155 FSB with defaults.
But of course I am very hapy at 145 FSB.
My satellite card fails to work well even at 100FSB or 133FSB. The immage reception has jumps.
I have talked to Pinnacle support and they say is almost certainly the lack of AGP. They didn't
blame the MSI mobo.

About the IAA, I don't mind to remove it, but I fear that other things may fail in the future.
It is very strange that IAA fails to work, and the System Restore fails too. I am sure other things will
fail in the future.
by the way, I have installed, formatted, reinstalled windows, well, maybe 20 times or more with no luck.
I have made a lot of changes in vain.

I will test the AGP card and if these issues don't get fixed, I will go for the TUSL2-C (maybe this one is even worse?hehe)

Arthur

 

[oldfart]

The new batch of 1.0A's seem to be MUCH better than the early ones. The one I had needed 1.65 Vcore to get to 140 FSB! I dont know what to tell you about the IAA and ME. I use Win2K and it works well for me.

 

[arga]

I remember in the news that Intel initially had problems with the 0.13 micron process
and they had to use low quality scanners in the litography process, because the providers
weren{t able to supply the "good ones" in time. That is why the 0.13 P4s had to be delayed so long.
Maybe the Tualatins could go ahead, but with "inferior" quality. Now the problems is solved
and maybe that is why the Tualatins are better.

And, Oldfart, are you using the MSI 815EPT Pro with your Tualatin?

Arthur

 

[oldfart]

I'm using a Gigabyte GA6OXET-C. Look at my rigs below. All the specs are there.

 

[arga]

ah, I had the chance to buy that one, but it lacks Suspend To Ram
(is it true?) that is why I went with the MSI.

Arthur

 

[oldfart]

Dont know. I dont use STR.

 

[arga]

ah, you are a 24/365 man, eh? never rests, haha



Arthur

addendum: the Tualatins were originally planned with 1.3 volts(?), but finally launched at 1.475V, maybe due to the original litography problems. Now that these problems are fixed,
maybe the new Tualatins will work at only 1.3V. I can't try this because my MSI board
doesn't allow voltages under 1.475V. It is sad: underclocking allows reducing the voltages, and thus, less dissipation (maybe fanless Tualatin).

Arthur

 

[oldfart]

They will work @ stock speeds undervolted to 1.2 - 1.3 volts. I can undervolt mine, but cant really underclock it because of the way the dividers work on this board.

 

[arga]

oh, yes, the dividers force you to underclock at 66FSB and this is too low.

Another chance is using the clock throttling that Intels allow.
But I haven't tried: its somewhat risky, because you have to
surpass the termal limit in order to trigger the clock throttling.

Arthur