Cell: Future of Gaming?

zakee00

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Have fun. I doubt Cell will ever replace Intel or AMD, but it could diffenately work together with them to make some very cool stuff happen.
 

AVP

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Wow thats amazing. I must be missing something...I dont claim to understand most of that article however, why would you doubt Cell wil ever replace Intel or AMD? One passage that struck me read:

"If over clocked sufficiently (over 3.0GHz) and using some very optimised code (SSE assembly), 5 dual core Opterons directly connected via HyperTransport should be able to achieve a similar level of performance in stream processing - as a single Cell.
The PlayStation 3 is expected to have have 4 Cells."

It seems to me that there is no reason why Sony and IBM and whoever else wouldnt just sideswipe the entire PC market. I know it probably wouldnt be the greatest thing for the consumer in the earlier stages of sales, eventhough though they are supposedly cheap to produce. Even so having one of these (or like the playstation, four) would be amazing. They say cell is compatible with everything so....Anyways, I cant see how XBox will compete with Playstation this time around.
 

zakee00

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I must have totally skipped this page: http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell4.html. Cell only stands a chance against AMD/Intel if Microsoft makes Windows compatable with it. Because, remember it's not an x86 processor. And since Microsoft is competing against Sony (who uses the Cell in the PS3) in the console department it would be a sort of shot in the foot to make Windows work with Cell would it not?
I am NO processor expert, so correct me if i'm wrong.
Another thing I was thinking: Sony GPU's? ATI/Nvidia competition? Then, all games in every setting (even with 120xAA/300xAF ) would be CPU limited!!
 

MisterChief

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That's all fine and good, but I am not a Sony fan. Therefore, I look forward to Microsoft's Xbox Next (Xenon) along with it;s dual/triple IBM processors and ATI chipset. The cell processor may be amazing, but the only way the cell can be utilized to its full extent is if game designers can themselves utilize its unique architecture for gaming purposes.
 

CheesePoofs

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This means game designers are going to have a real hard time porting games to the ps3 because its not x86, won't they?
 

MisterChief

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Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
This means game designers are going to have a real hard time porting games to the ps3 because its not x86, won't they?

Exactly my thoughts
 

zakee00

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Maybe, we'll see. Ovbiously harder then if it was native x86, but guess what...the Xbox Next's processor is IBM based, its not x86.
 

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Originally posted by: AVP
Wow thats amazing. I must be missing something...I dont claim to understand most of that article however, why would you doubt Cell wil ever replace Intel or AMD? One passage that struck me read:

"If over clocked sufficiently (over 3.0GHz) and using some very optimised code (SSE assembly), 5 dual core Opterons directly connected via HyperTransport should be able to achieve a similar level of performance in stream processing - as a single Cell.
The PlayStation 3 is expected to have have 4 Cells."

It seems to me that there is no reason why Sony and IBM and whoever else wouldnt just sideswipe the entire PC market. I know it probably wouldnt be the greatest thing for the consumer in the earlier stages of sales, eventhough though they are supposedly cheap to produce. Even so having one of these (or like the playstation, four) would be amazing. They say cell is compatible with everything so....Anyways, I cant see how XBox will compete with Playstation this time around.

Because Cell ONLY is good for highly optimised code for highly parrallel tasks. It will suck at everything but graphics, not to mention sony flat out lies about its CPUs capabilities every release.
 

mwmorph

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yeah. i dont buy it. no way it can be outright that powerful. rememeber, authors can be highly biased for or against something just like all us intel/amd/nv/ati fanboys.

i dont know. the whole article seems sorta fakey or fishy to me. i remember in journalism class my teacher told me "if something seems too good to be true, it's probably distorted or fake."

for ex. they might be relying on theoritical limits on this cell arcitechture v.s. what the slowest opteron amd has produced with the opteron emulating the cell optimized tasks without any further information than mathematical models. not real world testing.

another option is that sony(marketing) may just be blowing the specs out of porpotion and claiming these hung gains without real info to back it up.

it jsut dosent add up. it's as unbelieveable as those crackpots claiming they can produce stable fusion. thechically, it may be possible not not even remotely likely.

its just my opnion so dont bother to flame but remember that this is written probably by 1 person PROBABLY extrememly biased toward sony/cell and who dosent have any real testing but is working off therotical limits. Remember to take this info with a grain of salt.

edit. i second the windows movement. even though linux will probably be ported to cell, no way windows will ever be. and no matter what other people say, windows will not lose it's dominance anytime soon. there are jsut too amny people that have been brought up almost exclusively with windows and a sudden shift will force too many people to retrain for too long to write for a completely cell/proprietary sony os
or even cell/linux
 

Vee

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When you've seen hyped claims like this for a couple of decades ("optical" CPUs :laugh: , ARM, 88000, RISC, PPC, EPIC...) you tend to not become so excited.

Though, I am convinced multicore is the future.
 

hundesau

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rofl@mwmorph!!! Dude, wake up! Earth to mwmorph!! x86 is a crappy architecture and when u see the power of Cell in 2006 u will be the first one to buy it!
 

mwmorph

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if it really is that fast, yes I will be lining up to buy this miraclous thig, but it just seems far fetched. how can they claim all this while keeping prices down and keeping supply up? it seems like the 6800ultra pci-e again. there is groundbreaking performance to be had but will it be afforadable enough or come oun in signifigant quantity for the average person to buy it? and by 2k6, amd and intel wil have vastly faster processors. every 12-24 months cpus double speed remember?

besides, i need windows. im a gamer at heart and cell, no matter how fast just wont do it for me unless windows somehow gets ported to it and x86 games work on it. i want my MOO2 and other classics like bard's tale to work too not just new games.(no emulation.)

hurdles for cell arcitecture

software acceptance
companty acceptance
3rd party acceptance
consumer acceptance and familiarity

besides, sony has a trend of screwing up otherwise great designs by overpricing it(viao line of pcs and notebooks) or various other ways (sony netmd player anyone???beautiful erognomically designed propritery altrc only format media player[in case you dont know, altrac sucks. why build a media player that dosent support 99.99% of the music out there]??)

also, the fact they try to monoploize everything and bothers me. i dont agree that everything they sell, they ty to be as propritery as possible.

i mean, if i buy one of your digicams, i dont wnat to buy a propritery memory stick. or if i buy a ps3 i dont want to buy blue-ray only dvds.
 

imported_X

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According to the article, even in the worst case scenario, you could play all your Windows games by using the cell architecture in emulation mode. Because it is supposed to be more than 10X faster than anything else out there, you will still see significant gains.

Of course, the proof is in the pudding. I'm not holding my breath until I see sites like AT giving us benchmarks backing up the claims.
 

Stablecannon

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I heard the sony PSP is powerful enough to run nuclear bomb simulations on? Is this true? If so you think there's a chance it might show up on the TOP500 of supercomputers?
 

hundesau

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i know that sony is a MNC and like all they try to keep control over concurence and over the customer at the same time, will b hard way to find out that this strategy cant work.

Why do u need windows? All u need it a GUI. And there will b other OS that u can swap to like when u stopped using dos and started with windows. Its easy even if it mite take some time.

of course i know, that cell at first wont be as fast as 1000times of a pc....but dont forget they did that statement in 2003, thats far away and dont forget its advertisement, they must talk like that.

but after all, u cant stop the future. maybe it wont be cell like it is planned today, but x86 is already past in the eye of an developer who looks 5 years into the future and thinks about what people will want in 5 years from now. x86 was fine for the needs of the last 20 years but the developer already doesnt look at the next stupid MHz upgrade for a P4 anymore, or at pcie, he knows this will be only minor improvements, but hes already concerned and thinking about the post-pc-era. Things will have to be alot more mobile in the future, maybe all u have in 10 years are a couple of small modules that will work everywhere since u can plug it in any hardware and use it everywhere as long as ur connected to the local and worldwide networks. no more sitting at home and having a local telephone adsl account or having to carry a 15kg comp to a lan when u want to have fun with ur friends. no more offices with 1 comp per employee, all the lazy dude will get is a ergonmic input device, a password, his personal data device with all his stuff on it, whatever kind that will, mechanical or optical, and a monitor. Iam loosing my point, but one thing i know for sure...personal computers like the one under my desk dont have a future.
 

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
and by 2k6, amd and intel wil have vastly faster processors. every 12-24 months cpus double speed remember?

Err, no they won't. Intel have basically been standing still (for sustained load performance) on the desktop for 2 years now. And they will continue to stand still for 2 more years. If there's any light in the tunnel by 2007, I don't know. I do fear that the x86-64 multicore, slowclocked "Conroe" have been cancelled by the Itanium-, Netburst- and marketing crowd at Intel. Reason is Intel's strong push with BTX, Prescott derived CPUs ("Shitfield" and "Pissler") and desktop "Itanic". It may be they are attempting to use brute market share force, to push out x86-64 and AMD, with IA64 - featuring onchip x86-32 core for legacy apps - around 2008, on the desktop. Or they're expecting AMD to go belly up before.

Intel's game would be that the main 64-bit software push, when it comes, would go IA64. They already have Windows64 for IA64, and are applying an effort on software developers.

(The best way for us to contribute to avoid this terrible scenario, is to keep buying AMD, guys)
(And for those who don't understand why this is terrible, IA64 have conclusively prooved, after years and billions, that it has no advantages at all on X86-64. And with AMD gone, the future of processors and computing looks very bleak indeed.)

 
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