Changing a tire kicked my

shortylickens

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Obviously, the exercise I've been doing at the gym is either not good enough, or not relevant to manual labor.

Which is annoying but expected. Back when I was still doing manual labor I never needed exercise. Also, I learned the tools included with a Nissan Murano are not sufficient for changing a tire. I need blocks and a power driver and a much longer spinny thing. I have all that stuff but I dont want to leave them in the car, so I guess I just wont be changing tires away from the house.

ANYWAYS.....

Have any of you bastards worked for a living then get soft when you stopped? Did you hit the gym? Did anything in particular help build your endurance back up? Obviously I need to mix up my routine, and I think I need to be very particular about diet from now on. Need a better mix of protein and fiber and non-processed sugars.
 

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Obviously, the exercise I've been doing at the gym is either not good enough, or not relevant to manual labor.

Which is annoying but expected. Back when I was still doing manual labor I never needed exercise. Also, I learned the tools included with a Nissan Murano are not sufficient for changing a tire. I need blocks and a power driver and a much longer spinny thing. I have all that stuff but I dont want to leave them in the car, so I guess I just wont be changing tires away from the house.

ANYWAYS.....

Have any of you bastards worked for a living then get soft when you stopped? Did you hit the gym? Did anything in particular help build your endurance back up? Obviously I need to mix up my routine, and I think I need to be very particular about diet from now on. Need a better mix of protein and fiber and non-processed sugars.

I got out of the military and had to hit the gym just to get it out of me but also, I would have gotten ridiculously fat and lazy if I hadn't.

5 days a week, 8-6-3 reps, one bodypart a day for 15 years. Before that I was fat and as long as you are fat anything works, literally anything, on a calorie overload anything will build muscle. Even sitting on your arse, but if you want to keep in shape, that is what you have to do and you have to watch your diet.

I mainly just go up and down on carbs and keep the rest steady, 80% protein 10% whatever and 10% whatever... Loads of meat, loads of tuna, loads of BBQ...

I've been recovering from an injury and what worked for me after this, to get back into shape was simply this diet, just downed the carbs and replaced all of them with sallads and bell peppers.

The result? Three months later I've lost 8% of bodyfat which is huge for someone who started at 17%. I have more energy and I'm increasing weights bi-weekly (I've been working out for 15 years so yeah, that is a biggie).
 

momeNt

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All you need is a long enough lug wrench. If you want to keep the one you own you can get a cheater bar that fits over it to increase the torque you can apply.

Your forum icon is really fitting for this topic though =(
 

pcgeek11

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Your statement of: " I need blocks and a power driver and a much longer spinny thing." says it all.
 

Alpha One Seven

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I got out of the military and had to hit the gym just to get it out of me but also, I would have gotten ridiculously fat and lazy if I hadn't.

5 days a week, 8-6-3 reps, one bodypart a day for 15 years. Before that I was fat and as long as you are fat anything works, literally anything, on a calorie overload anything will build muscle. Even sitting on your arse, but if you want to keep in shape, that is what you have to do and you have to watch your diet.

I mainly just go up and down on carbs and keep the rest steady, 80% protein 10% whatever and 10% whatever... Loads of meat, loads of tuna, loads of BBQ...

I've been recovering from an injury and what worked for me after this, to get back into shape was simply this diet, just downed the carbs and replaced all of them with sallads and bell peppers.

The result? Three months later I've lost 8% of bodyfat which is huge for someone who started at 17%. I have more energy and I'm increasing weights bi-weekly (I've been working out for 15 years so yeah, that is a biggie).
Ouch, that's not a good diet for colon health, and a good way to develop colon cancer. You need fruits and Veggies and less meats. Beans are a better source of protein than meat and so is peanut butter.
 

Muse

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Lee Haney, a Mr. Olympia champion 8 years running, said that body building was 85% nutrition, 15% training. So yeah, you do need to pay big attention to what you are eating.

I am in the gym every other day at this point. 25 years ago I was 7 days a week, 1.5 hours in the weight room and then swim 2 miles as fast as I could. I got injured doing that and had to slacken off.

Nowadays I'm pretty fit but if I do some things I'm not used to I typically feel it. I have a routine in the gym. There's no way that my routine (which takes over 1.5 hours) makes me fit for just anything I might do out of the gym. I'll get sore if I push myself beyond what I'm fit to do. But my basic fitness level usually prevents injury, which is the big thing.
 

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Are you doing it fully manually or with power tools/floor jack? I change my own tires but have an impact wrench and floor jack and it makes quick and easy work.

Last year my impact socket got stuck in a nut and could not be unstuck and I didn't have a spare socket, I would just exchange the bit between the impact and the torque wrench so now both of those were out of commission till I buy new sockets but I was in no capability to drive anywhere. So I had to finish with just the tire iron and that SUCKED! But got 'r done. Just took much more strength and effort. Was able to use the floor jack handle bar as a pry bar to loosen the nuts.

I find that overall even with mild working out I find I now have better strenght, like simple things like moving large things around that I would have had trouble with before is not as hard now. Outside of high school summer jobs I've never had a physical labour job so I try my best to work out to make up for it. I don't work out as much as I should though.
 

Blackjack200

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Obviously, the exercise I've been doing at the gym is either not good enough, or not relevant to manual labor.

Which is annoying but expected. Back when I was still doing manual labor I never needed exercise. Also, I learned the tools included with a Nissan Murano are not sufficient for changing a tire. I need blocks and a power driver and a much longer spinny thing. I have all that stuff but I dont want to leave them in the car, so I guess I just wont be changing tires away from the house.

ANYWAYS.....

Have any of you bastards worked for a living then get soft when you stopped? Did you hit the gym? Did anything in particular help build your endurance back up? Obviously I need to mix up my routine, and I think I need to be very particular about diet from now on. Need a better mix of protein and fiber and non-processed sugars.

Funny you ask this. The other day I hit a curb and damaged the sidewall on the rear passenger side tire. 10 miles later, out on a six lane interstate, the tire went completely flat and I had to change out to the donut on the shoulder.

First step was breaking the lug nuts. The wrench they leave with the spare only is only about a foot long. I absolutely could not have done it if not for my strength training. It took a full effort, and I have a 285 lb. bench press.

Then I had to jack up the car, using the included scissor jack. It wasn't fun scraping my knuckles on the pavement, but it wasn't that difficult.

The hardest part by far was getting the wheel off the hub after the lug nuts were off. The wheel had rusted onto the hub (not at all uncommon) so I started by grasping the tire and racking it back and forth to try to break the rust bead. I was pulling hard enough that the car was rocking on the jack. Then I got a 2.5 lb. barbell plate our of the trunk of my car and banged on the wheel from the inside, hoping that enough percussion would break it loose. I went back and forth from rocking to banging 3-4 times before I felt it give a little. After that it broke loose easily when I rocked it again.

Everything else was easy, slid on the donut, hand tightened the lug nuts, lowered the jack until the tire was in contact with the road, and then tightened the nuts incrementally using what I imagined was the correct star pattern.

You do not need blocks, or a power driver, or a longer spinny thing if you want to be able to change a tire. You need to get stronger.

I mainly just go up and down on carbs and keep the rest steady, 80% protein 10% whatever and 10% whatever... Loads of meat, loads of tuna, loads of BBQ...

Ridiculous.

Ouch, that's not a good diet for colon health, and a good way to develop colon cancer. You need fruits and Veggies and less meats. Beans are a better source of protein than meat and so is peanut butter.

Beans are not a better source of protein than meat.
 

Alpha One Seven

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Funny you ask this. The other day I hit a curb and damaged the sidewall on the rear passenger side tire. 10 miles later, out on a six lane interstate, the tire went completely flat and I had to change out to the donut on the shoulder.

First step was breaking the lug nuts. The wrench they leave with the spare only is only about a foot long. I absolutely could not have done it if not for my strength training. It took a full effort, and I have a 285 lb. bench press.

Then I had to jack up the car, using the included scissor jack. It wasn't fun scraping my knuckles on the pavement, but it wasn't that difficult.

The hardest part by far was getting the wheel off the hub after the lug nuts were off. The wheel had rusted onto the hub (not at all uncommon) so I started by grasping the tire and racking it back and forth to try to break the rust bead. I was pulling hard enough that the car was rocking on the jack. Then I got a 2.5 lb. barbell plate our of the trunk of my car and banged on the wheel from the inside, hoping that enough percussion would break it loose. I went back and forth from rocking to banging 3-4 times before I felt it give a little. After that it broke loose easily when I rocked it again.

Everything else was easy, slid on the donut, hand tightened the lug nuts, lowered the jack until the tire was in contact with the road, and then tightened the nuts incrementally using what I imagined was the correct star pattern.

You do not need blocks, or a power driver, or a longer spinny thing if you want to be able to change a tire. You need to get stronger.



Ridiculous.



Beans are not a better source of protein than meat.
Look at the cholesterol in red meat vs in beans and peanuts, then tell me why more cholesterol is better than less.
I have to tell you though, that when 2 different doctors tell me one thing and an anonymous guy on the internet tells me the opposite, I tend to believe the doctors. Call me crazy.
What are your credentials and real name if you want to be believed.
 

Blackjack200

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We've known for years now that dietary cholesterol doesn't increase LDL

If you are of a certain age, your doctor might have told you to watch the cholesterol in your diet. At your next appointment, that advice could change.
Past guidelines suggest a 300-milligram daily limit of dietary cholesterol. That means a two-egg breakfast, rather than three.
Now, the government has removed the limit on cholesterol. It did add that "individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible" because "foods that are higher in dietary cholesterol, such as fatty meats and high-fat dairy products, are also higher in saturated fats." But what that means is eggs are back for most diets. Egg yolks are high in cholesterol, but not high in saturated fat. They make the list of suggested sources of protein.
"If you connect the dots together scientifically, we don't believe there is a strong influence between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol," Drayer said. "Even when I was training to be a dietitian, we knew that eating eggs didn't increase your cholesterol as much as saturated fat does. So the government advice is catching up to the science."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/health/2015-dietary-guidelines/index.html

I hate to tell you this, but doctors give stupid advice all the time. Animal proteins are complete, and are more bioavailable than plant proteins. Who cares if I'm some anonymous guy on the internet? I'm not making any original claims here, I'm just telling you that if you're worried about dietary cholesterol you're like 3-5 years behind the science. Go ahead, eat all the beans you want. I don't give a shit.
 

Alpha One Seven

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We've known for years now that dietary cholesterol doesn't increase LDL



http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/health/2015-dietary-guidelines/index.html

I hate to tell you this, but doctors give stupid advice all the time. Animal proteins are complete, and are more bioavailable than plant proteins. Who cares if I'm some anonymous guy on the internet? I'm not making any original claims here, I'm just telling you that if you're worried about dietary cholesterol you're like 3-5 years behind the science. Go ahead, eat all the beans you want. I don't give a shit.
Foods that are high in cholesterol are also high in saturated fats, a leading cause of LDL cholesterol in the bloodstream.
One exception is eggs, but I prefer the taste of the egg substitutes like egg beaters anyways because of the increased homogeneity, just a personal preference, I eat the one I like better butif you like real eggs more, they are fine, red meat, not so much.
FYI, I lowered my cholesterol 9 points by altering my diet, what do we know again? lol
This is from what you posted: The 2015 guidelines recommend a "healthy eating pattern" with limited sugar and saturated fat, less salt and more vegetables and whole grains.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/11-foods-that-lower-cholesterol
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33601171

I don't get medical advice from CNN, that's as reliable as the anonymous guy on the internet. I prefer to go by what I actually see personally. Thanks for the great advice though, and good luck.
Also, FYI, White beans and winter squash, besides being delicious,(and low in saturated fats) are a good source of potassium as well, but of course, that also old science.
 
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Blackjack200

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Foods that are high in cholesterol are also high in saturated fats, a leading cause of LDL cholesterol in the bloodstream.
One exception is eggs, but I prefer the taste of the egg substitutes like egg beaters anyways because of the increased homogeneity, just a personal preference, I eat the one I like better butif you like real eggs more, they are fine, red meat, not so much.
FYI, I lowered my cholesterol 9 points by altering my diet, what do we know again? lol
This is from what you posted: The 2015 guidelines recommend a "healthy eating pattern" with limited sugar and saturated fat, less salt and more vegetables and whole grains.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/11-foods-that-lower-cholesterol
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33601171

I don't get medical advice from CNN, that's as reliable as the anonymous guy on the internet. I prefer to go by what I actually see personally. Thanks for the great advice though, and good luck.
Also, FYI, White beans and winter squash, besides being delicious,(and low in saturated fats) are a good source of potassium as well, but of course, that also old science.

You said "beans are a better source of protein than meat". Then you said "Look at the cholesterol in red meat vs in beans and peanuts" Now you're saying that red meat has too much saturated fat. I'm glad that some random guy on the internet and CNN (which, again, is not the original source of the information that they're reporting, but it's simply easier to understand than referencing the original peer reviewed studies) have convinced you to modify your argument twice. Maybe next time be a little bit more careful before giving shitty advice to people that are asking for help.

I get my protein primarily from whey (it's just easier). But when I do eat meat, it's lean meats like chicken and top round beef. The OP needs to get stronger. People that get strong are in pretty good agreement about what you need to eat for protein. Lean meat, eggs, whey, yogurt, etc. Animal proteins. They don't tell people to go eat beans and squash.
 

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You said "beans are a better source of protein than meat". Then you said "Look at the cholesterol in red meat vs in beans and peanuts" Now you're saying that red meat has too much saturated fat. I'm glad that some random guy on the internet and CNN (which, again, is not the original source of the information that they're reporting, but it's simply easier to understand than referencing the original peer reviewed studies) have convinced you to modify your argument twice. Maybe next time be a little bit more careful before giving shitty advice to people that are asking for help.

I get my protein primarily from whey (it's just easier). But when I do eat meat, it's lean meats like chicken and top round beef. The OP needs to get stronger. People that get strong are in pretty good agreement about what you need to eat for protein. Lean meat, eggs, whey, yogurt, etc. Animal proteins. They don't tell people to go eat beans and squash.

It's the saturated fats that cause the cholesterol. My wife used to be a body builder and was a vegetarian while doing it and it worked out well, she had strength, but not from animal proteins. I eat pork, chicken and turkey mostly. Once every couple of months I'll have a burger 97% fat free.

I'd suggest you try not to give any advice, you just don't know. I don't think he lacks strength, I think it's endurance that was missing.
 

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Interesting topic. You really need good forearm, bicep and back strength for most real life stuff like changing a tire. Unless your a big guy to begin with, you need to work on those to make changing a tire not such a big deal to be honest. Make sure you do lots of wrist and bicep curls and back strengthening exercises if your a little weak. Those are key areas people sometimes neglect.
 

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What Blackjack200 is saying sounds very similar to the nutrition advice on many weightlifting forums. I agree with it.

With all due respect Alpha One Seven, you have a cool name, but you are incorrect on your nutritional advice.

Even if the "saturated fats cause the cholesterol", Blackjack200 explained that LEAN PROTEINS with LOW AMOUNTS of saturated fat is what dude should be eating.

Also animal protein is superior to almost all plant protein. What your wife did is totally possible. But lean protein would be even better and wouldnt raise cholesterol.

I suggest you read the Nutrition forum of Bodybuilding.com

Oh and don't tell people not to give advice when they are right and you are wrong. lol.
 

Alpha One Seven

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What Blackjack200 is saying sounds very similar to the nutrition advice on many weightlifting forums. I agree with it.

With all due respect Alpha One Seven, you have a cool name, but you are incorrect on your nutritional advice.

Even if the "saturated fats cause the cholesterol", Blackjack200 explained that LEAN PROTEINS with LOW AMOUNTS of saturated fat is what dude should be eating.

Also animal protein is superior to almost all plant protein. What your wife did is totally possible. But lean protein would be even better and wouldnt raise cholesterol.

I suggest you read the Nutrition forum of Bodybuilding.com

Oh and don't tell people not to give advice when they are right and you are wrong. lol.
I didn't, and it's not my advice, it's the advice of nutritionists and doctors. Body building is not the same as body maintaining and nutrition. Body building is for bulk, not necessarily strength or longevity. I do not want a lot of bulky mass, just healthy strength and long life. I do not take advice from brainless bodybuilders chomping down steroids, I trust doctors and nutritionists a lot more, to each his own.
 

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"Bodybuilding" can mean many things. Spoken like someone who is completely wrong because they didn't go look at what I told them to. Double down, dig deeper. lol
Since you are the type of person who knows so little they think they are going to get bulky by mistake, I'll just leave you alone. Pics of your abs?
 

Alpha One Seven

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"Bodybuilding" can mean many things. Spoken like someone who is completely wrong because they didn't go look at what I told them to. Double down, dig deeper. lol
Since you are the type of person who knows so little they think they are going to get bulky by mistake, I'll just leave you alone. Pics of your abs?
Don't be surprised that I do not do what you tell me to, I never will. I make my own decisions, qq more.
I am also not sharing any pictures of my body with a pervert that asks for it on the internet. My body is God's temple.
 
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I gained quite a bit of weight over the last couple years with a new office job. Yeah.

Fortunately the office job pays me enough that I can afford a personal trainer. So we started that last week. I hurt everywhere, but it's a good hurt.

That said, while I think changing a tire should be manageable without tools beyond the little jack and single tire iron they include in the trunk, I will say that, IMHO, working on tires with the car on the ground, stooped over like you have to be is jut really rough on the back - I don't think it's something that most workout regimens would really train for, because it's not something you really should be doing regularly. A tire shop has lifts for a reason.
 

pcgeek11

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Sorry, but I have been reading this thread off and on for a bit and I do not understand where someone would have to work out in order to change a tire on a car. I am nearly 63 years old and rotate the tires on my truck every oil change ( 5000 Miles ) and I haven't worked out in a gym etc in decades. It isn't hard. I'm puzzled.
 
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