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NoQuarter

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Power consumption is interesting for a few reasons, knowing if you need a 1200W PSU, and because it has to remain under 300W to stay in PCI-e spec, and how much headroom for OC'ing.. I doubt many really care about the electric bill but it is good to know for heat/PSU reqs.
 

NoQuarter

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"The chip is unworkable, unmanufacturable, and unfixable. "

unfixable:
a. cannot be repaired, uncorrectable, incorrigible

It's pretty clear what he meant by that.

unworkable:
a. Not workable, especially not capable of being put into practice successfully; not practicable

It's being put into practice, despite Charlie's objections.

Meh, not trying to be his savior but that's still not the way I read it. By unmanufacturable I interpreted as being too costly to mass produce efficiently, unfixable and unworkable meant there was no way to correct the chip to be more manufacturable/increase yields significantly.

I don't know if you're just trying to hate Charlie or I'm trying to like him, but I do think most of his doom and gloom is overblown Nvidia spite, that's just not the way I read that article. There
 

Will Robinson

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Who gives a crap what he says.

Let the benchmark show how it is.
No one buys a high end card and gives a rats ass about any of this blabbering about. No one cares about power consumption, price, etc when buying a high end card. The want performance.

The one that really is funny is people crying about power consumption. You plan on putting it into a outdated computer? Worried about spending a extra couple bucks out of a paycheck? sheesh.
Your argument is flawed.
High power consumption often means lots of heat.
Cooling a hot chip means potentially noisy fan profiles.
Try listening to an HD5850 on 50% fan...its loud and that is a cool running chip.Not how you want your "high end" PC to sound lets face it.
 
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imaheadcase

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Your argument is flawed.
High power consumption often means lots of heat.
Cooling a hot chip means potentially noisy fan profiles.
Try listening to an HD5850 on 50% fan...its loud and that is a cool running chip.Not how you want your "high end" PC to sound lets face it.

Your argument is flawed. You plan on having some noise when buying a high end card.
Same goes for power requirements, you plan on it.

Again, you don't buy a $500+ card caring much for sound.
 

Daedalus685

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Your argument is flawed. You plan on having some noise when buying a high end card.
Same goes for power requirements, you plan on it.

Again, you don't buy a $500+ card caring much for sound.

Yeah, you're right... no one has ever spent hundreds of dollars liquid cooling an expensive computer because they care about the sound....

If this is what passes for logic these days... stay in school kids..
 

CitanUzuki

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Doesn't the fact that the part was cut down from 512 to 480 at least lend some credibility to what he was saying? It was the 512 product he was talking about, and it will not be released at this time....
 

imported_kennyb

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Meh, not trying to be his savior but that's still not the way I read it. By unmanufacturable I interpreted as being too costly to mass produce efficiently, unfixable and unworkable meant there was no way to correct the chip to be more manufacturable/increase yields significantly.

I don't know if you're just trying to hate Charlie or I'm trying to like him, but I do think most of his doom and gloom is overblown Nvidia spite, that's just not the way I read that article. There

I get what you're saying, but if you're going to define one of his words from this infamous statement, you have to define them all. How do I come across as a Charlie hater if I'm only questioning/defining what he said?
 

imaheadcase

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Yeah, you're right... no one has ever spent hundreds of dollars liquid cooling an expensive computer because they care about the sound....

If this is what passes for logic these days... stay in school kids..

Right, cause most those people do that for the sound and not the overclocking the plan on doing on the expensive rigs. /rolls eyes.
 

yh125d

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Right, cause most those people do that for the sound and not the overclocking the plan on doing on the expensive rigs. /rolls eyes.

How naive are you really? Tons of WCers do it for the low noise


People care about noise/heat/power no matter whether they spend $500 on the card or $50


Do you spend $50k on a BMW and put up with lots of road noise? >.>
 

Soleron

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No one buys a high end card and gives a rats ass about any of this blabbering about. No one cares about power consumption, price, etc when buying a high end card. The want performance.

You want top-end performance, not caring about price or power consumption? Buy a 5970. The 480 is not going to be faster.

But I believe most people do care about price, and a significant number about power consumption or extra features (DX11, PhysX, Eyefinity, 3D Vision etc.).

Anyway this thread is not to discuss whether the 480 is worth buying, but only whether he is credible enough to believe the next time he writes an article. For example, the GF108 article said August. If he's credible on GF100, then we can believe that date. If not, then not. It allows us to know Nvidia's plans a few months to a year in advance.
 

yh125d

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You want top-end performance, not caring about price or power consumption? Buy a 5970. The 480 is not going to be faster.

But I believe most people do care about price, and a significant number about power consumption or extra features (DX11, PhysX, Eyefinity, 3D Vision etc.).

Anyway this thread is not to discuss whether the 480 is worth buying, but only whether he is credible enough to believe the next time he writes an article. For example, the GF108 article said August. If he's credible on GF100, then we can believe that date. If not, then not. It allows us to know Nvidia's plans a few months to a year in advance.

Even if he's iffy on the details he was pretty much spot on with release from the beginning. His first articla in may stated at least two respins likely which would put a Q1 '10 release hard to reach
 

blanketyblank

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If the hexus review is to be believed, I have to say Charlie likely does indeed have inside sources. His temperature numbers are pretty much spot on.

I'm giving him some leeway with benchmarks since he posted fairly early and there have been a lot of subsequent changes to clocks and SP. We're also not sure what games exactly he considered for his estimates. Fermi falls roughly into the ballpark of his estimates.

Thus Charlie is either a very good random guesser or a normal "educated" guesser with some good source of info.
 

T2k

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This is the important one, and he was wrong.

"Nvidia GF100 pulls 280W and is unmanufacturable (January 17, 2010)"

To me he was saying there will be no Fermi. After this statement, the rest don't matter.

C'mon, be real, he never said that. He obviously said there will be no Fermi in its current form (512 SP, that is, in January) which turned out to be true, as usual.

This guy always had plenty of spooks at every level (TSMC, OEM, distributors etc) and lately he might even got someone inside NV as well, some of his hints suggest.
 
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T2k

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Your argument is flawed. You plan on having some noise when buying a high end card.
Same goes for power requirements, you plan on it.

Again, you don't buy a $500+ card caring much for sound.

I spent more than that amount to get rid of noise - and gain OC headroom, of course - and since I have my 5870 I am still annoyed when I remove my headphones during a game...
 

ginfest

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C'mon, be real, he never said that. He obviously said there will be no Fermi in its current form (512 SP, that is, in January) which turned out to be true, as usual.

This guy always had plenty of spooks at every level (TSMC, OEM, distributors etc) and lately he might even got someone inside NV as well, some of his hints suggest.

You know better than that. He parrots the FUD that is sent to him from certain quarters, come on, you were at B3D long enough to know who feeds him and why :\
 

Paratus

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You know better than that. He parrots the FUD that is sent to him from certain quarters, come on, you were at B3D long enough to know who feeds him and why :\

Well from what you are saying that's a relief. It's much better that ATI has moles in NV which they use to feed Charlie rather then the moles reporting to Charlie.

I mean I know I'd rather have my major competitor picking up info left and right rather than some journalist.
 

T2k

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You know better than that. He parrots the FUD that is sent to him from certain quarters, come on, you were at B3D long enough to know who feeds him and why :\

You're very naive if you think Charlie would fly by a single source especially if it's the sole competitor...
 

sxr7171

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Even if he's iffy on the details he was pretty much spot on with release from the beginning. His first articla in may stated at least two respins likely which would put a Q1 '10 release hard to reach

His information is much better than we got off the streets especially in an information starved topic. It definitely added value.
 

Soleron

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CONCLUSION

He got a lot of it right, a lot more than you would expect an uninformed journalist to get at the time he wrote.

Performance figures were off, possibly because his samples had different specs to launch, but he should have revised them if he knew that.

Power requirements were overstated by him. GF100 was hot, but not disastrously so.

And yields/availibility won't be known until launch or even a few weeks after when initial supply runs out.

There no information about the delays in articles, so his claims of 3 steppings and die sizes couldn't be verified.
 

Lonyo

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CONCLUSION

He got a lot of it right, a lot more than you would expect an uninformed journalist to get at the time he wrote.

Performance figures were off, possibly because his samples had different specs to launch, but he should have revised them if he knew that.

Power requirements were overstated by him. GF100 was hot, but not disastrously so.

And yields/availibility won't be known until launch or even a few weeks after when initial supply runs out.

There no information about the delays in articles, so his claims of 3 steppings and die sizes couldn't be verified.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...-Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=2

Furmark GTX480 -> 304w
 

thedosbox

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This threads existence makes me laugh. Arguing about the accuracy of a rumor after the fact? Makes me think of this.
 
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