Charlie D Claim Watch

[GaiaHunter]

The nvidia leaving the high end market claim is clearly wrong. Firstly I can go onto new egg and buy GTX 260, 275 and 285 many months after he said that. Second "leaving" is different from "end of life-ing", leaving means gone, no more. Nvidia by releasing fermi is clearly not gone from the high end market.

The world isn't US only or newegg.

Go look around Europe and many of the GTX2xx are out of stock or on pre-order.

But again that is more of a speculative title than anything.

The subtitle is much more realistic if less appellative: "Full on retreat, can't compete with ATI".

 

[Soleron]

His claim is that Nvidia haven't produced any GTX2xx dies since he wrote that article, and that other shops are far worse off in stock than Newegg because Newegg stock allows them to claim it's still in existence, and that it isn't gone completely because pricing is far too high for anyone to reasonably pay for and buy.

When he talked to AIBs and retailers they said unit allocation was in the single digits. That implies all they have is warehouse stock

 

[Soleron]

This is an arbitrary collection of rumours over months that obviously changed as release got closer, there will always be a grey area.. Hence the total ridiculousness of trying to tally right or wrongs.. We can subjectively discuss that, yeah seems some of his info was close or not.. but we can't objectively grade it.. It is retarded..

I'm not objectively grading it. I'm going to try and fill in when he was clearly right or clearly wrong. If a significant number are clearly right then it's not guesswork and he does have sources. My main objective is to tell whether he's completely making it up or not.

Remember, before all this about Fermi Charlie was regarded by the vast majority as a raving fanboy who only posts made up figures and has no sources. I don't believe that's true, and I think tomorrow will show that (but I will accept the opposite).

He's not perfect. But he may be worth reading and believing in future, which is the point.

 

[blanketyblank]

The nvidia leaving the high end market claim is clearly wrong. Firstly I can go onto new egg and buy GTX 260, 275 and 285 many months after he said that. Second "leaving" is different from "end of life-ing", leaving means gone, no more. Nvidia by releasing fermi is clearly not gone from the high end market.



If you have to explain every claim he made as "what he actually meant was ...." then it makes you sound like some dumb politicians spin doctor. While you may have a good career ahead in politics that shouldn't really apply here. This isn't interpreting some ancient religious text or something. His claim should stand on the literal interpretation of what he wrote, not on how you can spin it.

Wow you are just way too literal. That's simply not the way the world works.
Look at Toshiba HD-DVD players. Even when they officially stated they were leaving the market, you could still buy them for several months afterwards. In fact you can still buy them now though they will be used or rebadged or something. Leaving never means gone, no more but simply no longer being produced unless the company recalls things (only really done if there is some kind of defect killing people).

Second you miss the whole point. Charlie is a sensationalist so everything he writes has to sound impressive and big in order to generate controversy. It's much the same as Howard Stern saying nasty things on the radio so people listen to him and call in to complain. However it doesn't mean there's no truth to what he's saying which has to be filtered out from the spin.

 

[Soleron]

If you have to explain every claim he made as "what he actually meant was ...." then it makes you sound like some dumb politicians spin doctor. While you may have a good career ahead in politics that shouldn't really apply here. This isn't interpreting some ancient religious text or something. His claim should stand on the literal interpretation of what he wrote, not on how you can spin it.

I'm not spinning. When I say 'he meant' I'm either directly paraphrasing the article or a forum post which you haven't read. He explains everything he writes in his articles at great length in his forum posts, with much more detail and sounder reasoning.

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Phrasing the claims as they are in the main post already took hours. I'm not rewriting them with evidence and in the form of "it's probable that..." even if that would be more true to what he wrote. If you think a claim is outlandish or stupid, try READING the article and the forum posts from around that time to see what he actually meant for yourself.

Bottom line: I don't believe every word he writes. I do believe he has inside sources, gives useful information before anyone else and will revise, discuss or clarify points when asked on the forum. There is a difference.

 

[Daedalus685]

I'm not objectively grading it. I'm going to try and fill in when he was clearly right or clearly wrong. If a significant number are clearly right then it's not guesswork and he does have sources. My main objective is to tell whether he's completely making it up or not.

Remember, before all this about Fermi Charlie was regarded by the vast majority as a raving fanboy who only posts made up figures and has no sources. I don't believe that's true, and I think tomorrow will show that (but I will accept the opposite).

He's not perfect. But he may be worth reading and believing in future, which is the point.

I think you mean you are not 'subjectively grading it...'

I agree there are things he can be clearly right or wrong about, but your list is populated with many things that could go either way depending on who is grading the situation (the definition of subjective).

I just see this becoming a raving lunatic thread soon enough...

 

[Lonyo]

The nvidia leaving the high end market claim is clearly wrong. Firstly I can go onto new egg and buy GTX 260, 275 and 285 many months after he said that. Second "leaving" is different from "end of life-ing", leaving means gone, no more. Nvidia by releasing fermi is clearly not gone from the high end market.


If you have to explain every claim he made as "what he actually meant was ...." then it makes you sound like some dumb politicians spin doctor. While you may have a good career ahead in politics that shouldn't really apply here. This isn't interpreting some ancient religious text or something. His claim should stand on the literal interpretation of what he wrote, not on how you can spin it.

Newegg has two GTX 260 listed in stock, one normal GTX 275 listed in stock and the Co-Op, and a number of GTX285's listed.

That's not normal production, and EOL doesn't mean instant no more, it means that orders get placed and production eventually ceases but supply requests get filled.

2 of 3 listed GTX275s are in stock.
2 of 4 GTX 260s
7 of 7 GTX 285s
0 of 2 (4) GTX 295s, two regular, and two are recertified.

 

[Soleron]

I think you mean you are not 'subjectively grading it...'

I agree there are things he can be clearly right or wrong about, but your list is populated with many things that could go either way depending on who is grading the situation (the definition of subjective).

I just see this becoming a raving lunatic thread soon enough...

I meant I wasn't giving him a score out of X. Maybe the OP looks like that, but that's only because I don't really have time to write a paragraph discussing the merits of each of them. I would do if I had.

Now only the claims that are verifiable have [ ] boxes. That means that if a review mentions it we can tell whether it is true, objectively.

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@Lonyo

Look at the prices too. If Nvidia was still making the cards then the pricing would reflect reality.

 

[yh125d]

The nvidia leaving the high end market claim is clearly wrong. Firstly I can go onto new egg and buy GTX 260, 275 and 285 many months after he said that. Second "leaving" is different from "end of life-ing", leaving means gone, no more. Nvidia by releasing fermi is clearly not gone from the high end market.

Yeah the market for GT200 is A-OK. 1 GTX275 for over $300, GTX285s for $360+, recert 260s for $240, normal models for $200+, GTX295 still over $500 and all OOS except recert, and it's similar elsewhere and has been this way for months.

NV has all but abandoned the GT200 market completely. Companies are just trickling out what stock is left. ATi has done similar too, just go try and buy a 4890...

Hell, there are more 8 series and 6 series models on newegg than GTX2XX. And they're mostly in stock too!

 

[BladeVenom]

He may not always be right, but he's more reliable than Nvidia.

 

[SolMiester]

Hurry up reviews!, its already midday here 26th!!....LOL

 

[tviceman]

He may not always be right, but he's more reliable than Nvidia.

LOL! Nice!

 

[The-Noid]

In general if you take the summation of all of Charlie's parts he has been it appears more right than wrong and has provided info that otherwise I would not have gotten.

Rip him all you want but overall I wouldn't completely write him off.

 

[ronnn]

This is the important one, and he was wrong.

"Nvidia GF100 pulls 280W and is unmanufacturable (January 17, 2010)"

To me he was saying there will be no Fermi. After this statement, the rest don't matter.

Totally right. The specs of those cards have not changed one bit. Well maybe they have cut them down, but who cares. They probably could have manufactured some at full spec.

 

[ronnn]

Charlie is funny and the nvidia gong show gives him plenty of outs.

 

[NoQuarter]

This is the important one, and he was wrong.

"Nvidia GF100 pulls 280W and is unmanufacturable (January 17, 2010)"

To me he was saying there will be no Fermi. After this statement, the rest don't matter.

You probably just don't understand manufacture then.

manufacture:
a. The act, craft, or process of manufacturing products, especially on a large scale.

He wasn't saying it can't be made, but that it can't be made efficiently at large scale.

 

[sisq0kidd]

I don't get it. He claims a million things that are vague then somehow people in here try to spin it in a way where it COULD mean something else. Is this what it's come down to?

If that's what's considered news these days then fine, here's my prediction for the next Nvidia card:

1) 300W
2) Big and hot
3) Unmanufacturable

If any of these are incorrect I will just revise my prediction and let the fanboys do the rest of the spinning for me.

 

[imported_kennyb]

You probably just don't understand manufacture then.

manufacture:
a. The act, craft, or process of manufacturing products, especially on a large scale.

He wasn't saying it can't be made, but that it can't be made efficiently at large scale.

"The chip is unworkable, unmanufacturable, and unfixable. "

unfixable:
a. cannot be repaired, uncorrectable, incorrigible

It's pretty clear what he meant by that.

unworkable:
a. Not workable, especially not capable of being put into practice successfully; not practicable

It's being put into practice, despite Charlie's objections.

 

[AmdInside]

It is sad that the best hardware reviewer (Anand) on the internet gets so many posts from users about the worst technology journalist (I would rather call him a fiction writer) on the internet, Charlie.

 

[Will Robinson]

Perhaps this is a PaperNDA...no news is bad news.D:

 

[dzoner]

The nvidia leaving the high end market claim is clearly wrong. Firstly I can go onto new egg and buy GTX 260, 275 and 285 many months after he said that. Second "leaving" is different from "end of life-ing", leaving means gone, no more. Nvidia by releasing fermi is clearly not gone from the high end market.

There's a total of *8* GTX2xx cards currently in stock at Newegg.

1 - 260
1 - 275
5 - 285
1 - 295

There's a larger choice of FX5200 cards.

Considering there were once 14 vendors selling GTX200 cards, that does qualify as Nvidia 'leaving' the GTX2xx market, and, until the GTX4xx release, the high end market. For as long as THEY last (not long).

And by the way, LEFT = gone ... leaving = in the process of going.

 

[Schmide]

This is going a bit off track. Lets not let this become a chime in with your general feelings about Charlie.

I have to say, Soleron has pretty much done it right, list the items, confirm or deny them, allow for input, etc.

It may be nice to have a second number or rating to evaluate the truthyness. Some things came close but miss by a little or a lot.

 

[dzoner]

It is sad that the best hardware reviewer (Anand) on the internet gets so many posts from users about the worst technology journalist (I would rather call him a fiction writer) on the internet, Charlie.

This is a tech site forum, not Anand's E-mail inbox. Anand doesn't 'get' these posts.

Perhaps you meant to say it's sad the best hardware review site's forum has so many posts about Charlie?

 

[zerocool84]

WOW you guys REALLY let some guy writing some articles on the net really get to a lot of you. Who cares if he's wrong or right. All I care about is if Fermi is worth the wait and a good bang for the buck.

 

[imaheadcase]

Who gives a crap what he says.

Let the benchmark show how it is.
No one buys a high end card and gives a rats ass about any of this blabbering about. No one cares about power consumption, price, etc when buying a high end card. The want performance.

The one that really is funny is people crying about power consumption. You plan on putting it into a outdated computer? Worried about spending a extra couple bucks out of a paycheck? sheesh.