I went into OfficeMax Tuesday night where I live (in Louisiana) and on their sale table near the registers, they had retail packaged Cendyne 48x12x48 CDRW (beige) for $19.00 and Cendyne 4x DVDRW+ for $49.00. Cendyne did go belly up so don't expect any support from them, but if it doesn't work, just bring it back to OfficeMax. Probably not the best quality, but for the price with no hassle for rebates, it's not bad either. I've used several of the CDRW's in computers I built for other people with no problems, but I can't speak for the DVDRW+. Try your local store to see if these clearance items are available.