Cheap GAS!

[zikronix]

quoted for da funnah and the truth

 

[modestninja]

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

Originally posted by: modestninja

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

Originally posted by: MrCoyote
I'll be glad when alternatives to gas/oil is mainstream, and we never have to buy from crooks again! The oil industry and all involved are crooks! Actually in one way, I'd like to see gas prices go up to $4-5 a gallon. Maybe then people with gas guzzling trucks/suvs/HOT RODS... will finally trade in those POS autos for more efficient cars that make 35miles a gallon. Punks are still on the road, revving up their engines, wasting gas. I still see it, where someone pulls up at a stop light with a Corvette, Firebird, or other gas guzzler, and then they waste gas by taking off fast.

Bring on....Propane, Natural Gas, fuel-cell, or all-electric small hybrid cars!

When they come up with a way to strap 4 of your tree hugging rides to the undercarriage of my Supercharged '02 Ford Harley Davidson F150 so that I can ride on top of them I'll consider buying them. Otherwise, I'll stick with my 10 mpg "gas guzzling truck/hot rod". I pay for the gas, so lay off. It's not like I'm getting it for free and you're footing the bill. If it wasn't for the hybrid cars with a top speed of 50 mph downhill with a strong tailwind getting in my way, I'd be able to save more gas driving at a more efficient speed.

It's worth it to me to pay $40 a tank twice a week to actually "enjoy" driving, not shoehorn myself into a clown car.

Actually, it does affect me when you drive a POS 10mpg gas guzzler. It make my gas more expensive, and pollutes my air more. Also, the most effiecient speed for almost any vehicle to drive at is between 50-60 mph (and hybrids can go that fast) so they are actually keeping you more efficient...

I didn't mean more gas efficent. I meant more efficent for me to get where I'm going

Also, my "POS" gas guzzler passes the same emmisions tests that your "hybrid" does.

I was saying that you driving that gas guzzler affects me. I have to pay for it with higher gas prices (since you create more demand for gas) and by you polluting the environment. How is driving your F150 more efficient for you to get where you're going than driving a Civic? Or if you really need a truck, a non-supercharged truck that gets 15-20 mpg? Anyway, to me your are the problem.

 

[modestninja]

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

Originally posted by: MrCoyote
I'll be glad when alternatives to gas/oil is mainstream, and we never have to buy from crooks again! The oil industry and all involved are crooks! Actually in one way, I'd like to see gas prices go up to $4-5 a gallon. Maybe then people with gas guzzling trucks/suvs/HOT RODS... will finally trade in those POS autos for more efficient cars that make 35miles a gallon. Punks are still on the road, revving up their engines, wasting gas. I still see it, where someone pulls up at a stop light with a Corvette, Firebird, or other gas guzzler, and then they waste gas by taking off fast.

Bring on....Propane, Natural Gas, fuel-cell, or all-electric small hybrid cars!

When they come up with a way to strap 4 of your tree hugging rides to the undercarriage of my Supercharged '02 Ford Harley Davidson F150 so that I can ride on top of them I'll consider buying them. Otherwise, I'll stick with my 10 mpg "gas guzzling truck/hot rod". I pay for the gas, so lay off. It's not like I'm getting it for free and you're footing the bill. If it wasn't for the hybrid cars with a top speed of 50 mph downhill with a strong tailwind getting in my way, I'd be able to save more gas driving at a more efficient speed.

It's worth it to me to pay $40 a tank twice a week to actually "enjoy" driving, not shoehorn myself into a clown car.

haha.. Amen! Not to mention their are some people that actually need large pickup trucks and SUVs for their rides due to work or family.

All four of 'em. :roll:

Almost all the people that I've seen driving those big gas guzzling beasts don't need them. They would do just as well with a smaller SUV or Van which can get 20-25mpg or a smaller/more efficient truck.

 

[RideFree]

I saw gas today for $2.10
That is exactly $2.00/gal. higher than I remember as the lowest price!

Gas in Grand Forks, ND in the 50s during the gas wars was as low as $.10/gal.
Got my drivers license in Jan. '53 at age 12. We had a '50 Plymouth. I used to spend the first ½ of the winter shoveling the driveway and the next ½ of the winter trying to start the Plymouth.
Froze my ears three times one winter. Never got above -20F for two weeks. NorthDakota could use a little global warming.

 

[QuicknDirty]

Originally posted by: modestninja

Originally posted by: jasonja

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

Originally posted by: MrCoyote
I'll be glad when alternatives to gas/oil is mainstream, and we never have to buy from crooks again! The oil industry and all involved are crooks! Actually in one way, I'd like to see gas prices go up to $4-5 a gallon. Maybe then people with gas guzzling trucks/suvs/HOT RODS... will finally trade in those POS autos for more efficient cars that make 35miles a gallon. Punks are still on the road, revving up their engines, wasting gas. I still see it, where someone pulls up at a stop light with a Corvette, Firebird, or other gas guzzler, and then they waste gas by taking off fast.

Bring on....Propane, Natural Gas, fuel-cell, or all-electric small hybrid cars!

When they come up with a way to strap 4 of your tree hugging rides to the undercarriage of my Supercharged '02 Ford Harley Davidson F150 so that I can ride on top of them I'll consider buying them. Otherwise, I'll stick with my 10 mpg "gas guzzling truck/hot rod". I pay for the gas, so lay off. It's not like I'm getting it for free and you're footing the bill. If it wasn't for the hybrid cars with a top speed of 50 mph downhill with a strong tailwind getting in my way, I'd be able to save more gas driving at a more efficient speed.

It's worth it to me to pay $40 a tank twice a week to actually "enjoy" driving, not shoehorn myself into a clown car.

haha.. Amen! Not to mention their are some people that actually need large pickup trucks and SUVs for their rides due to work or family.

All four of 'em. :roll:

Almost all the people that I've seen driving those big gas guzzling beasts don't need them. They would do just as well with a smaller SUV or Van which can get 20-25mpg or a smaller/more efficient truck.

What many people don't seem to comprehend here is that it isn't important what others NEED. I drive what I drive because I can afford it and because I WANT IT.

My wife and I don't need a brand new 2,900 sq. ft 3 bedroom house with a media room and office either (for the two of us), nor the $5,000 Mitsubishi Diamond RPTV that we watch 1 time every two weeks if we're lucky. But guess what? I WANTED IT, and I pay for it. Hello! That's why I work!!!

I'm more irritated in the folks living in these 30 year old non energy efficient homes wasting electricity than gas prices, something that affects us all as well. Or people on unemployment for a year because they don't want to take work that pays them $2.00 an hour less than what they previously made, so they suck up unemployment benefits and sit on their butts at home. Or a President that gets us involved in a hornets nest MESS to "finish up" what his daddy started... spending BILLIONS of dollars and asking Congress for BILLIONS more. Irregardless of what you think, don't make the mistake of believing that doesn't affect our current fuel prices.

When you whiners start paying my bills you can tell me what I NEED to drive. SHEESH.

 

[dgouldin]

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty
My wife and I don't need a brand new 2,900 sq. ft 3 bedroom house with a media room and office either (for the two of us), nor the $5,000 Mitsubishi Diamond RPTV that we watch 1 time every two weeks if we're lucky. But guess what? I WANTED IT, and I pay for it. Hello! That's why I work!!!

.. what an empty, materialistic existence

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty
Irregardless

now that's not even a word

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: dgouldin

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty
Irregardless

now that's not even a word

lol, word =p

Seriously though, environmentalism isn't just about tree hugging hippies...not at all actually. Go open up an issue of National Wildlife or International Wildlife and see the kinds of people who are environmentalists. It's usually people more like Teddy Roosevelt (one of the first conservationists/environmentalists in the US and of course, president) than anything else.

At any rate, hopefully soon we won't have to argue with morons who drive Ford Excursions out to pick up lunch, since Toyota and Honda seem to be aggressively pushing in their new Hybrid systems.

Can't wait to check out that new R400h from Lexus...33MPG goodness.

 

[Rhapsody]

tcsenter wrote: Now don't go trying to inject facts into any populist discussion fueled by misguided frustration and base appeal to emotion. Don't you know that oil companies are evil so its okay to blame them without regard to pesky things like facts?

One of the unfortunate consequences of being an union member for 40 years - independent thought is completely replaced by indoctrination and brainwashing. All your brain are belong to us.

Friends don't let friends join unions.




Wow. tcsenter, dunno who you are, but man you can write.

 

[Ziptar]

Originally posted by: dgouldin
Want to really save money on gas?

Veggie Van

It's much simpler and less work to run Straight oil than to take the oil and make biodiesel, I have run on store bought biodiesel and made my own over the last year.


I have a 2003 Jetta TDI that gets 50MPG, I commute 1000 miles a week for work. I am in the process of swapping my car over to run on straight waste cooking oil. Ordeing the parts now, should be done in about 2 weeks.

Granted even with my commute and the fact the Diesel in my area is still $1.75 (unleaded is $2.05), my annual fuel cost is about $1800. It's going to cost about $500 to convert the car. if Diesel goes to $2.50 my fuel cost will be $2400 a year.

So either way a conversion wil pay for itself rather quickly, but outside of practical reasons why would I do it??? I like to tinker with things and because I can

 

[phillydog]

A few years back who'd ever think saying '$2.00 for a gallon of gas is cheap!'.

I remember back in the college days driving from NY --> FL and stopping in Georgia to get the high-grade gas for under a buck a gallon...

I have since then ditched the car and invested in a girlfriend (with a car)... overall, it is less expensive (grin).

 

[Ziptar]

and another thing....


All in all in the grand scheme of thing We really don't spend that much on Fuel. If you sit down and add up what you spend annually on gas, you will probably find that in comparison to your other expenses, fuel cost is a fairly small percentage. MSNBC Story about Mileage, Fuel Cost, and Survey. They have an annual gas cost calculator on that page. Take a look at the chart that shows prices over the last 85 years adjusted in 2004 dollars, when looked at like that the prices really haven't fluctuated very much, they have bounced between $1.27 in 1999 to $2.75 in 1919. They also quote a government study that states:

According to the government's survey on consumer spending, the average American household in 2002 (the latest year available with annual numbers rolled up) had income from all sources of $49,430. While overall transportation costs represent 18.8 percent of spending, only 2.9 percent -- or about $1,430 -- went to pay for gasoline and motor oil.

In contrast, the average household spent 5.6 percent on dining out, 5.1 percent on entertainment and 3.8 percent on household furnishings.

With gasoline prices up 20 percent since last year, the added burden to the average household budget comes to six-tenths of one percent. That?s still less than what Americans spent on categories like alcohol (1.0 percent) or tobacco (0.8 percent.)

So in all.... We all get upset over something minor..... Car insurance cost me a hell of allot more than fuel every month, why are we not pissed about that???

For that matter look at housing costs... In 1960, My Dad bought his first home for $8600, it was a 2 story, 4 bedroom 2 bath, about 2000 square feet in the suburbs of New York City. He was a new York City Firemen earning $8500.00 a year. so he bought a house for roughly a years salary. I just did a search for houses for sale in the Neighborhood where our house was. There are three houses similar to the house I grew up in. There average price is $434,966.00 today the median income of a New York City Firemen is $41,204. So where as Gas in 1959 cost $1.96 in today's dollars, a house now cost 10 times as much when compared with income. That's just not New York Nationally I will bet you will find it to be 5 to 10 times... So why are we not as vocal about salaries and home prices as we gas prices when gas is roughly 3% on average of our income. Where as my annual mortgage payments come to 36% of my annual take home pay.


In the end, the recent rise in fuel prices really don't impact the average consumer. Who they really hit is the people that roll into a gas station on "E" and have to pay for a whole weeks worth of gas with that $5 bill in their pocket or the change in their ashtray. The average consumer, SUV owners, and those that swipe their Visa are really just getting upset over nothing.

 

[Johnniewalker]

Originally posted by: Spartanfool
Let's get this thread back on topic.......

If you have a Speedway/SuperAmerica station near you (see Link for locations), start buying their $25 gas cards. Now thru June 30th, you can get a $25 gas card for $2 off. At $2.00 per gallon the net cost will be $1.84 per gallon. Plus you get to avoid those lines at Costco, etc. (By the way Speedway is almost always the lowest price in town anyways, so the 16 centsis just extra gravy!) I pick up a couple for each car and just toss them in the cupholder.

The Fool

If you buy them with the AAA Visa, will you get another 5% off?

 

[Ziptar]

Here is a another little bit to chew on.... Lets compare the 1960 and 2004 Firemen again when it comes to buying cars.

Base Sticker Price of a 1960 Chevy Impala MSRP $2,697 (according to NADA)
Base Sticker Price of a 2004 Chevy Impala MSRP $$23,395 (according to chevy.com)

Ok, I used Impala because that is the only model that right off bat that I could think of made in 1960 and in 2004.

So we see a firemen in 1960 would spend 31% of his annual salary to purchase a car. The Firmen of 2004 spends 58% of his annual salary to buy a car... almost double the percentage..

Why are we not up in arms over the cost of Cars?? We aren't! we run right out and get a new one as fast as we can, without the slightest complaint... when we are offered low interest.

I guess my point is that we are lead by what the media wants us to be. We are concerned about what they think we should be.... If you stop look around and take a good hard look at life.. there are things that we get raked over the coals for even worse than gasoline. Open your eyes.. don't be a slave to the media.

 

[Kato]

Originally posted by: Ziptar
Here is a another little bit to chew on.... Lets compare the 1960 and 2004 Firemen again when it comes to buying cars.

Base Sticker Price of a 1960 Chevy Impala MSRP $2,697 (according to NADA)
Base Sticker Price of a 2004 Chevy Impala MSRP $41204(according to chevy.com)

Snip

Check the price again on 2004 Impala. Cops in our city drive those and I don't think they base for $41K.

 

[Nomjr]

Originally posted by: MrCoyote
I'll be glad when alternatives to gas/oil is mainstream, and we never have to buy from crooks again! The oil industry and all involved are crooks! Actually in one way, I'd like to see gas prices go up to $4-5 a gallon. Maybe then people with gas guzzling trucks/suvs/HOT RODS... will finally trade in those POS autos for more efficient cars that make 35miles a gallon. Punks are still on the road, revving up their engines, wasting gas. I still see it, where someone pulls up at a stop light with a Corvette, Firebird, or other gas guzzler, and then they waste gas by taking off fast.

Bring on....Propane, Natural Gas, fuel-cell, or all-electric small hybrid cars!

Well some of us have to have "gas guzzling trucks" to haul 2000lb payloads. Your "Propane, Natural Gas, fuel-cell, or all-electric small hybrid cars" can't do that.

 

[Johnbear007]

Originally posted by: MrCoyote
I'll be glad when alternatives to gas/oil is mainstream, and we never have to buy from crooks again! The oil industry and all involved are crooks! Actually in one way, I'd like to see gas prices go up to $4-5 a gallon. Maybe then people with gas guzzling trucks/suvs/HOT RODS... will finally trade in those POS autos for more efficient cars that make 35miles a gallon. Punks are still on the road, revving up their engines, wasting gas. I still see it, where someone pulls up at a stop light with a Corvette, Firebird, or other gas guzzler, and then they waste gas by taking off fast.

Bring on....Propane, Natural Gas, fuel-cell, or all-electric small hybrid cars!

heheh yay for my civic.

It may not be all that fast, but I get almost 40 miles to a galon

 

[Ziptar]

yeah, it was a Typo, should be $23,395 I figured the percentage on the corrct amout though so it's still 58%. fixed the post too.

 

[Ziptar]

Originally posted by: Nomjr
Well some of us have to have "gas guzzling trucks" to haul 2000lb payloads. Your "Propane, Natural Gas, fuel-cell, or all-electric small hybrid cars" can't do that.

yeah but Diesels can do it all day long, and they like Veggie Oil!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: QuicknDirty

What many people don't seem to comprehend here is that it isn't important what others NEED. I drive what I drive because I can afford it and because I WANT IT.

My wife and I don't need a brand new 2,900 sq. ft 3 bedroom house with a media room and office either (for the two of us), nor the $5,000 Mitsubishi Diamond RPTV that we watch 1 time every two weeks if we're lucky. But guess what? I WANTED IT, and I pay for it. Hello! That's why I work!!!

I'm more irritated in the folks living in these 30 year old non energy efficient homes wasting electricity than gas prices, something that affects us all as well. Or people on unemployment for a year because they don't want to take work that pays them $2.00 an hour less than what they previously made, so they suck up unemployment benefits and sit on their butts at home. Or a President that gets us involved in a hornets nest MESS to "finish up" what his daddy started... spending BILLIONS of dollars and asking Congress for BILLIONS more. Irregardless of what you think, don't make the mistake of believing that doesn't affect our current fuel prices.

When you whiners start paying my bills you can tell me what I NEED to drive. SHEESH.

what some people don't seem to comprehend is that their choices affect others.

Sure, you pay for your gas, and your huge house, and your big truck, and your stereotypical suburban existance. But do you pay for the BILLIONS of dollars the federal government has to spend to cleanup a toxic waste dump full of the by-products used to make $5,000 TV's, or to keep a clearcut hillside from eroding away so that you could have your second story that you only occupy once a month, or the countless other expenses related to cleaning up the mess you leave behind?

Frankly, I wish that the cost of things reflected the ENTIRE cost...that is, if you buy a certain device not only are you paying for the raw materials and labor, you're also paying for all the cleanup that needs to be done to restore the environment to how it was before. Sure, my bills would go up, but it would be worth it.

 

[manuelku]

I am freaking paying 2.69 today for 91, gotta use 91 because the car says so (90 300zx), it sucks cuz the car has only around 15-17mpg for local. I better buy a civic or corolla for commuter .. in some area in san francsico I see 2.99 too, I think the 3 dollars range in the city will not be far away.

 

[VinLombardi]

blah blah blah... pure "gasoline-engined" (poetic license) vehicles will disappear within 10 years. There is no reason that every car manufacturer won't try to beat / duplicate Honda, who will have strictly hybrids by 2011. Add to that the relative low cost (typically ~ $5k now, less once the engines become more common) for the hybrid engines, coupled with the huge increase in performance and efficiency, and every consumer will be demanding a hybrid car once they know about one.

Dodge is making a Durango that will be more powerful than their current line, and get about 30MPG. Their are sportscar concepts that are shaving a second off of their 0-60 time, all while getting great gas mileage. Why?

Gasoline-powered engines are efficient at higher speeds, but are very wasteful and not very powerful in the 0-20 MPH range. That is where the electric motors come in. They are very powerful in the areas where gas engines are weak. The end result is a more powerful, more efficient engine that has no drawbacks.

The biggest stumbling block right now is marketing - when people hear hybrid, they think of pure electric or other ridiculous vehicles. Once people associate hybrid with the elite status it deserves, you will start to see the end for pure gas vehicles.

 

[QuicknDirty]

Originally posted by: dgouldin
.. what an empty, materialistic existence

now that's not even a word

While I find it somewhat ironic that you label me "materialistic" in a hot deals forum, I find it sad that you incorrectly call into question my command of the English language ("irregardless" is a word, albeit a slang term.
Dictionary.com) using fragmented sentances and lack of capitalization and punctuation. Perhaps you should spend more time hitting the books and less time browsing the internet?

I never would've known that there were so many other Anandtech members that only browse the forum for the bare essentials required to sustain life, using pedal powered generators to feed their recycled computers (made possible by their hulking legs from driving Flinstone-esk propelled cars)...thereby giving them the right to label others materialistic, wasteful, and stereotypical- and not appear hypocritical.

One final note. The last time I checked, the 45" tv that I purchased 9 years ago was still humming along (with daily usage) in my living room. Even if it wasn't, I highly doubt you'd find it sitting on my curb waiting for the trashman to "improperly" dispose of it. I can't imagine the 65" I have upstairs would be any different. Can you say the same of the "disposable" $99 blue light special you purchased in your self righteous, twisted vision of the world?

Being able to afford these things doesn't make me irresponsible. Get a clue.


To get the thread back on track, thx to the OP for the original post. My big irresponsible, materialistic, wasteful, stereotypical gas guzzling truck seems to be exceedingly hungry this week. Good post!

 

[Scarpozzi]

Gas Buddy is pretty cool, but the cheapest gas here is over the state line. I have to drive an extra mile or so, but it saves me about $.10 a gallon. Tennessee sales tax sucks... (even on gas)

 

[VinLombardi]

Hybrid SUV's coming out this year:

Ford Escape:
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4022502&src=msn&GT1=3391

Lexus RX 400h:
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/futuremodel.aspx?familyid=1092

 

[Gainead]

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